This thread is dedicated to questions, comments and inquiries into the astrological Sun sign, the archetype of Leo and the 5th House. Please use examples from your own chart whenever you can when posting; thanks!
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just some random ramblings about MY sun, MY leo, and MY 5th house...
so i got a sagittearitup sun...and when i think about the polarity...recklessness comes to mind...not a recklessness in an aries challenging/courting dangerous thrills sort of way...but a reckless pollyanna galloping all over the place sorta way...and the flip-side it to me seems to be having the faith to gallop, in pursuit of a vision or quest...
i've talked about my mars in leo in the 6th state before - and i had the realization yesterday morning, while working out at the gym - how much i love for work out...how i think it is fun. and i realize not everyone shares this feeling about going to the gym. for some, it is pure drudgery. i also think it's *fun* to playfully beat on people...a sort of roughhousing...friends often joke about the bruises i give them...it's been an interesting process for me to realize that not everyone likes to play in such a physical way as we grow into adulthood...
in class, i mentioned i have leo governing my 7th state...and i have found that i am continually attracted to people who shine in leo-like ways IN MY EYES...they appear to have found the path that allows themselves to shine...and I WANT THAT...i want to shine in my own way...(i can't wait til we talk about the 7th state...)
with cancer governing my 5th state, i find that i can only truly enter a creative state if i really feel attached to what i'm working on...i really need to feel like it is worthwhile...that i am connecting to something deep inside me that needs to come out. with my moon in aquarius in the 12 house, i feel like i need to have solitude with my thoughts/dreams/ideas/imagination for creativity to flow.
antero, it was interesting to hear your thoughts on jupiter in the 5th state...the idea that jupiter may represent a *talent* for expressing/creating from a unique (?) point of view...it gives me something to chew on while i try to figure out if my jupiter is more a 4th state or 5th state occupant...my preferred method of creating/expressing is through writing...and as a writer, i am very interested in my point of view...where i have come from, what i had gone through, what i have learned and how i've learned it...and i'm also very interested in other people's points of view as well. but i find, at this early stage of my writing - i am very preoccupied with where i came from and making sense of it. the creative work that i am most excited - and attached to - is the writing i do based on my growing up in the family i was dealt and making sense all the players (jupiter is also in cancer). come to think of it, i write a lot about what i think my sibliings' points of view are....
anyway, if folks have any ideas, comments, questions, etc...they are always appreciated....
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okay. so i guess i'm the nerd for posting here this week...
antero, i wonder what your thoughts are on the idea of the sun representing one's dad and the moon one's mom...
forgive me if you said something about this during week 4's class....something tells me you might have mentioned something but i was a bit foggyheaded from a cold...
i've been thinking about the idea of the sun representin' dad 'cause i have sun conjunct neptune...and my mom also has sun conjunct neptune. thought it was very interesting to see me and my mom share that configuration since both my dad and her dad/my maternal granddad struggled with alcoholism. none of my siblings' suns are in major aspect to neptune, and they all share a different dad than me. their dad never drank. my dad is also hella compassionate and spiritiual, although a bit dogmatic.
anyone else see connects between their suns and their dads?
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hello clare
i've noticed folks here take a few days to start posting. maybe they are now swamped with astrological information that must be sorted out and processed before they can start posting again.
re: Sun as Dad and Moon as Mom
To some extent, yes but not exclusively. best to examine your life and see if the symbols match up (not the other way around). sometimes neptune can involve escapism compelled by an overly sensitive, reality -challenged soul but it can also means addictions, as well as compassion and fanaticism. neptune is perhaps the planetary force with greatest built-in extremes; it's wild, really feral like dreams ar feral..
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re: Sun as Dad and Moon as Mom
Clare, interesting observations. it got me thinking. I haven’t seen how my sun or moon relates to my parents, but I did notice a correlation in my first four houses. My ascendant is in Leo (my father’s sun), the second and third houses ruled by Virgo (from my notes, the third house maybe indicating a sibling; my sister’s sun), and my fourth house ruled by Libra (my mother’s sun). I don’t know my parent’s charts but I can say my mother is sort of the family matriarch. I have a much better relationship with my mother…thus on this basic level the home state makes sense to me.
My Sun (Aquarius) squares 4th house Neptune (Scorpio). I think this says quite a bit about my relationship w/ my family - which isn't ideal. I had a lack of support and direction in my young life and the family seemed like it was in continuous turmoil (a lot of problems with substance abuse and worse). I had to rebel and escape as soon as I was able for my own preservation (not that I was a saint or something). Now, I'm actually quite thankful for this experience since it forced me to go it on my own. But it has left quite a distance between me and my family, especially my father. Isn't that what a square is about, building character ?
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anyone else see connects between their suns and their dads?
I have Sun in 12th house Pisces ruled by Neptune in the 7th house of relationships. Another tribe here said that this indicates possibility that the father figure will be separated in early life. This is true for me as my parents divorced when I was nine because of my Father's drinking. Anyway with Neptune where it is I do find this negative aspect of escapism a recurring theme.
An astrologer once told me that my life was about the Father. While I see much of my reactivity and motivation coming out of my early childhood experiences I also think I have extended my thinking to the Patriarchy both politically and spiritually with my Moon and Venus in Aquarius rebelling from the system and turning towards the feminine for solutions, wanting to bring more love and compassion into the world. -
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triona...
re: "I also think I have extended my thinking to the Patriarchy both politically and spiritually with my Moon and Venus in Aquarius rebelling from the system and turning towards the feminine for solutions, wanting to bring more love and compassion into the world."
amen to that. thanks for making that connection. with my aquarian moon and asc, i find that i, too, am very much engaged in a rebellion from (the white supremist) patriarchial (capitalist) system...wanting a more open, honest and compassionate world...this strikes me as a nice blend of neptunian/piscean and aquarian energies...
re: "Another tribe here said that this indicates possibility that the father figure will be separated in early life."
i wonder what indicates the separation...is the indication your 12th house sun? i'm curious 'cause my 'rents divorced - i was separated from my mom...and my moon is in the 12th...
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I have both my ascendant and my moon in Leo. I “get” the ascendant Leo - that seems pretty straightforward. But my Leo moon is in the 12th house ruled by Cancer. It seems hard for me to see a Leo moon in the 12th with my ascendant also in Leo – I don’t seem to be getting a good feel for it. The closest I have come: I do require being alone and I’m pretty good at entertaining myself. I’m also a vivid dreamer and find dreams meaningful and necessary. A strong dream is like a fix for me. This also sounds like some of what I’ve heard about Neptune (4th house in Scorpio), so I'm not sure. Maybe both? Any thoughts? -
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Richard
Leo Moon in your 4th House represents the need for withdrawl and solitude as a playful event. This runs against the grain of cultural conditioning which suggests that being alone and withdrawing be anything from frightening, lonely, depressing, and even paranoid. Dreams do indeed play an important factor in the emotional life, so much so that they can make or break your waking life self-confidence.
This means that emotionally satisfying dreams can allevaite the anxieties of the conscious ego, just as so-called "bad dreams" can leave you shaky for hours after the dream is over. Another thing about the 12th house Moon is that the inner sense of identity can be rooted in the dreamtime and the imagination, in that one can know oneself as a figment of one's imagination.
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"Another thing about the 12th house Moon is that the inner sense of identity can be rooted in the dreamtime and the imagination, in that one can know oneself as a figment of one's imagination. "
i can so relate to this statement.
with my 12th house moon in aquarius...i am so much more *comfortable* in my imagination...i can just chill alone and dream up all sort of characters and situations for hours and hours on end...
it makes sense to me - the idea that the moon represents have we have ALREADY BECOME and the sun representing who we ARE BECOMING...
for me - having an aquarian moon and a sag sun has appeared to me very harmonious in regards to my emotional self and my ego self...aquarius and sag having a lot in common...which leads me to be confused sometimes about which part of me am i relating to...is it the sag or the aquarian energy...for instance, with sag being about the BIG PICTURE and aquarius being able to detach, looking at the scene as objectivity as possible ...but i suppose that discussion will wait until we cover those signs...
but it makes me wonder what is it like to have a moon and sun in signs that aren't as harmonious...
like richard has with moon in leo and sun in aquarius...do you feel that internal struggle within, richard? -
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Antero,
Thanks for that. Wild yes - it makes sense with plenty of room for further reflection
Clare,
I have plenty of struggles and conflicts, but from what I can see so far, I feel that my moon in Leo and Sun in Aquarius seem to play well with each other, as far as at least I am concerned. My ascendant is also in Leo (in direct opposition to my Sun), fairly close to my moon (7 degrees). So, loosely (by Antero’s orb standards), a close Leo moon and ascendant may be a reason why I have a hard time separating them out. With the moon in the 12th, I might not be so conscious of it anyway. I do notice that Leo side of me is wedded to my emotions – the playful side of me is also sensitive and attached (12th house ruled by Cancer).
With the Leo (ascendant and moon) opposing my Sun, I do notice a sort of continuum with these traits. The Leo playfulness sometimes exudes an air of not taking things seriously (and consequently, sometimes not being taken seriously, or perhaps coming off unintentionally insolent). That part of me wishes others to lighten up and I find I play that role again and again in social settings where things get too serious. But, ironically, when it comes down to something I’m interested in acting on, I think I swing more to the Aquarius side, become detached, unemotional, serious, and get stuff done (and better left alone). I have heard: How can you be so sensitive and yet be so insensitive? I have also had the experience where people (who don’t know me well) are surprised by the fact I have accomplished anything. So while it makes sense to me, it seems to be more difficult for others, and I can see why that.
I seem to have more internal struggles and conflicts with the watery places in my chart -
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richard
when i said "Leo Moon in your 4th House", I meant 12th house; sorry/ -
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Yes, I figured that was a typo...I guess I am learning something :-)
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"I have heard: How can you be so sensitive and yet be so insensitive?" how human is that?!?! heheheehehehhe...
richard, i forgot that your ascendent was also leo...making you a double leo with aquarius sun...and my asc is also aquarius...so i'm a double aquarius with sag sun...
with your moon (and asc) being in with your OPPOSITION with your sun....maybe they find it easy to *dance* with one another, to use antero's term...but if sun and moon square each other...or if sun and moon quincunx each other...that might be a bit more of an internal struggle or irritation...
come to think about it....in regards to the sun/moon/asc combo...there are a number of folks in our class have double something...
antero : scorpio sun/asc and virgo moon
judy: cancer moon/asc and pisces sun
suzanne : cap moon/asc and virgo sun
silvio: pisces moon/asc and leo sun
katya: virgo sun/asc and sag moon
barbara/triona: pisces sun/asc and aquarius moon
this makes me wonder what it's like for folks who have sun/moon/asc in three different signs...
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