Week 8: Scorpio, The Eighth House, and Pluto

topic posted Tue, April 3, 2007 - 10:24 PM by  sherpa
This thread is dedicated to questions, comments and inquiries into Scorpio, The Eighth House, and Pluto. Please use examples from your own chart whenever you can when posting; thanks!
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sherpa
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  • Re: Week 8: Scorpio, The Eighth House, and Pluto

    Sun, April 8, 2007 - 12:49 PM

    I’ve been thinking about the checklist of the 7th house (what you want in a relationship) vs. the checklist of the 8th house (what turns you on). For most people these house checklists appear to be ruled by two different (but adjacent) governors, so I would expect there would be some natural differences here.

    But speaking of patterns, I’ve experienced a polarity between the two I can rarely resolve. In one case I’m really turned on, lost in it, but either the intensity burns out or one of us gets smart and makes the break. Friendship is not established (by my standards) and the whole thing is pretty temporary. The other case is a more stable relationship. This usually starts out with someone I’ve known for a while, can last a long time, but invariably (always has so far) evolves to a close and platonic sort of friendship. I am guessing that my Sun and Mercury in the Aquarius 7th and my South node and Venus in the Pieces 8th probably has something to say about that. What about my Mars in Cancer in the 11th which squares my Venus? There is also my north node in conjunction Pluto in the 2nd, this moon in the 12th in loose opposition to my Sun, and Neptune in Scorpio 4th squaring my Sun and loosely, moon. I’m wondering what of this (or all of it?) might tend to set me up for this sort of polarity. I should add though, although cultural standards would say I should feel otherwise, it doesn’t seem to bother me – it’s not something I feel I need to “fix”.
    • "In one case I’m really turned on, lost in it, but either the intensity burns out or one of us gets smart and makes the break. "

      richard....that to me sounds a lot like what i imagine a venus-mars square might be experienced like....an attraction that is hella intense, passionate, etc...but then just dissipates...especially when your criteria to be truly good friends as well as lovers is not met.

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      i've been thinking about *life changing* events and the 8th house...and i realized that when jupiter was transiting through my 8th house, 2 unexpected shocks happened that changed my life...although, they weren't life or death events, but they certainly shook up up world and i will never be the same again...

      1. in early april 2005, i attended my first astrology class. i had always been interested in sun sign astrology and thought the class would be an interesting way to spend a few wed. nights. nothing more. the first class i went to, the teahcer handed me a copy of my chart (which was the first time i'd seen my natal chart) and proceeded to talk that evening about saturn. everything she said about saturn and the 7th house rang very true for me. i was blown away. and more exicited about something - astrology - then i had been excited about for a long, long time. and here i am, 2 years later...still studying astrology with a passion. at this time, transiting jupiter was dancing on my 8th house cusp, which is between my natal pluto and north node....

      2. in march 2006, i was more than completely happy doing the single woman thing...then, at a work party, i hooked up with a co-worker very unexpectedly...it was initially thought that we would not go very far because of our many differences...but we are still together...and it has been the most challenging, exciting, open, honest relationship that i have ever experienced. i never thought i could be this honest with someone i was *with* in my life. and now, no matter what happens with this current relationship, i can't imagine being with anyone that i can't be this open and honest with and who is afraid of challenging times. at the time of the initial hookup, transiting jupiter was doing a little dance between my natal uranus and the end of my 8th house.
    • re: "What about my Mars in Cancer in the 11th which squares my Venus? "

      The drive towards friendship that builds on emotional bonds (Mars Cancer, 11th house) shares an argument (the square) with the poetic intoxication of romance (Venus Pisces South node in 8th House). Nothing needs fixing here as much as grasping the role Mars plays in frustrating any relationship potential defined by romance alone; with the south node there, my guess is that you've been there and done that to an extreme already in previous lives and perhaps earlier on in this life.
      • Re: Week 8: Scorpio, The Eighth House, and Pluto

        Tue, April 10, 2007 - 1:17 PM
        i thought i would share some of the highlights during the time that transiting pluto was on/conjunct/dancing with my 21 degree sag sun that sits in my 10th house...

        1. as pluto was approaching my sun in the summer of 2003, i moved with a boyfriend (BF) from philly, where i'd spent the first 25 years of my life, to new orleans, one of the most plutonic places i've been to yet. the purpose of the move for me was to get away from family/actvist drama...to relax, get in touch with myself and find more fulfilliing work.

        2. in the fall and early winter of 2003, there were heavy disagreements between the BF and myself over how he turned our living space basically into an office for off-site media work for the FTAA protests in miami. i was full of jealousy and bitterness because a) i wanted the time in new orleans to be relaxing and peaceful. leaving activist circle drama was one of the mutal reason for leaving philly. and b) i was jealous as hell of his REPUTATION as a kickass social justice activist. i was also having trouble finding meaningful employment for myslef.

        3. in january 2004, when transiting pluto conjunct my sun for the first time exactly, i started a parttime job as a project assistant at a drop-in center for homeless youth. lots of youth in major crisis. the job was hella challenging on many different levels, but i felt good about the work that i was doing.

        4. in march 2004, BF got a full-time job offer in berkeley, ca that was basically his dream job and location. i wasn't happy about the prospect of moving. and i was insanely jealous of his *luck* (but what is years of hardwork). again, he got this job through his REPUTATION as a kickass activist. at this point, i felt like i'd got finally started to get my groove on in new orleans. after thinking about it a lot, i felt like wanted to stay in new orleans, and i was thinking i wanted out of the relationship. but after a short discussion that involved heavy guilt-tripping, i caved and agreed to move to berkelely, ca with BF.

        5. in april 2004, moved to berkeley, ca and commenced fuckin' resenting BF and being here in the cold-ass bay area. after about 3 weeks, i got a office job at a small fundraising for non-profits company.

        6. in may-early july 2004, i researched remotely and wrote a report on the sexual violence in darfur which was presented at the international AIDS conference in bangkok by the director of the organization that i wrote it for.

        7. in early june 2004, our landlord/upstairs neighor familiy's middle son commits suicide. the extended family from all over, including ethiopia, come to stay and mourn with the family for the month of june and into july. the extended family invades our (me and BF) space - sharing our bathroom, kitchen and back bedroom.

        (pluto is again exactly conjunct my sun when i get the job, start researching the SV situation in darfur, and the suicide happened)

        8. in august 2004, feeling insecure, full of resentment, lonely and depressed, i reach a point where i decided to go into therapy.

        9. at the end of august- early september 2004, i participate in global AIDS actions at the republican national convention which lead to my two stints of 15 minutes of fame and two very differnent experiences in the nyc jails.

        10. in november 2004, i make the first of many breakthroughs in therapy. transiting pluto was again exactly conjunct my sun at this time.

        11. in april 2005, i start taking an astrology class. i feel like a deeper understanding of life is cracking open...

        12. in july 2005, finally break up with BF and move with a (heavily plutonic) friend. this same friend is the guy who owns the house in new orleans that i subletted.

        13. in september 2005, transiting pluto exactly conjuncts my sun for the last time - moving on down into the further degrees of sag.






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