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Arabic Part of Death.

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I was reading a forum on another site and they mentioned the Arabic Parts.

I Googled a bit and found an article where the Part of Death was mentioned, but they warned about going that route and actually calculating it.

I found the formula and calculated it, anyway.

I progressed my chart ahead to the date when I would have planets actually on that degree.

On that day, I'll have Mars transiting the eighth house, and Saturn will be on top of my Part of Death in the 12th house, with Pluto conjunct.

*laugh* I think I actually pinpointed my general time of death, and probably the manner of death.

It should be in about nine years.

*more nervous laughter here*

....Yay, astrology?
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  • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

    Thu, October 28, 2010 - 1:59 AM
    There's another traditional method that's used that I know Tanit knows of. I might research it and try it myself and see. It involves weighin up your general 'life force' and so on. I think it uses hyleg and firdaria, terms most of us wouldn't recognise nowadays.

    Good luck in 9 years tho!
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      Re: Arabic Part of Death.

      Thu, October 28, 2010 - 2:04 AM
      *laughing*

      There may be other methods, but come on - when you calculate your Part of Death, and progress your transits to when planets will contact that degree, and Saturn will actually be on that degree right near that date, with Pluto right next to it and Mars in the eighth house as well...

      That sounds pretty much like an open-shut case, to me and like it's the right method.

      In a way this is perversely hilarious to me, but at the same time it's kinda not.

      I kinda feel like I opened a box I shouldn't have.
      • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

        Thu, October 28, 2010 - 2:33 AM
        Did you check your previous progressions to see if you were meant to die before but didn't?

        What's the calculation and I'll try it on my chart too.
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          Re: Arabic Part of Death.

          Thu, October 28, 2010 - 2:35 AM
          No, I never tried going backwards.

          ...Are you sure you want to calculate that, really?
          • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

            Thu, October 28, 2010 - 2:40 AM
            "...Are you sure you want to calculate that, really? "

            Yup! Try calculating it backwards as well and see if it anything hit by progression or maybe even directions before. By directions something is likely to have at least aspect it even if not by conjunction.
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              Re: Arabic Part of Death.

              Thu, October 28, 2010 - 2:43 AM
              I warned you, but even if I refused to give you the link you'd be able to find this on your own anyway, so....

              In the calculator here the Part of Death is in the dropdown menu box :

              www.noendpress.com/pvachier...index.php

              I'll run it backwards and see what happens.
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                Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                Thu, October 28, 2010 - 2:56 AM
                Okay, I ran it backwards and did actually find the same date with similar placements, back in 1989. Then, Saturn was conjunct the Part of Death, along with Neptune and Uranus, and Mars was in the eighth then too along with the Moon, Mercury, and my Sun. Pluto was in the ninth.

                Nothing happened to me on that date. My maternal grandmother passed the month before.
                • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                  Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:18 AM
                  "Nothing happened to me on that date. My maternal grandmother passed the month before. "

                  Interesting, so at least we know that the aspects in 9 years don't necessarily mean *your* death, or you'd be dead for the last 20 years! However death was still a theme at that point in your life. Was your grandmother the first instance of death that you had encountered in real life?
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                    Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                    Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:21 AM
                    "Interesting, so at least we know that the aspects in 9 years don't necessarily mean *your* death, or you'd be dead for the last 20 years! However death was still a theme at that point in your life. Was your grandmother the first instance of death that you had encountered in real life? "

                    If you're laughing at me, I'm going to put you in an e-headlock.

                    Yes, that was my first experience with death.
                    • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                      Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:24 AM
                      "If you're laughing at me, I'm going to put you in an e-headlock. "

                      No, not at all! Just pointing out how death was *still* a theme then, so likely may well still be a theme the next time it hits. IN other words someone else around you may well die. Just calculating mine now by hand so I can try a few different house systems. At work though, so might have to finish it later and then check it more carefully myself! What will be interesting is if something happens around the time my own grandfather died or something like that!
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                  Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                  Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:19 AM
                  This shit reminds me of the time when I was a little kid, like....couldn't have been older than 7, and I heard on tv that bleach killed the AIDS virus, so I ran to my mother and told her I'd figured out how to cure AIDS.

                  And she was like, "How?"

                  "They just need to inject them with bleach."

                  "Don't be stupid! That would kill them."

                  I just stood there with a blank stare.

                  That's how I found out bleach was poisonous.

                  I felt dumb as hell.

                  I'm just glad I said asked now though, because it was starting to freak me out, and knowing how my mind works, I probably would've developed a complex about it. I was already thinking that while I didn't necessarily mind dying in nine years as much as I thought, the idea of the violent, painful death I figured my chart was describing, bothered me a good bit.

                  Other than that, I actually didn't have any sudden, deep thoughts about the meaning or life or important, profound things I wanted to do. This is going to make me sound like an empty-headed asshole, but the first thing I was thought was that I needed to get laid before then because I didn't want to die a virgin; and that I needed to hurry up and settle on a real career, and go back to school and finish so I could say to myself nine years from now that I didn't die a 'loser'.

                  As it stands, now I'm just relieved and I kinda feel giggly.

                  It's five AM, I'm going to bed. Finally.
              • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:20 AM
                "In the calculator here the Part of Death is in the dropdown menu box : "

                So the part of death is:
                Ascendant + 8th House Cusp - Moon

                The problem there of course is the 8th house cusp will change depending on the house system. Might be interesting to experiment with a couple of house systems to see if a more accurate one reflects when your maternal grandmother died.
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                  Re: Arabic Part of Death.

                  Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:26 PM
                  "Might be interesting to experiment with a couple of house systems to see if a more accurate one reflects when your maternal grandmother died. "

                  No Paul, at this point I'm gonna leave it alone - if I learned anything from early this morning, it's that that's a path I want to leave ALONE from here on out.
  • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

    Thu, October 28, 2010 - 8:33 AM
    intuition tells me that progressed planets re: the part of death or any other arabic part might be more relevant than transits.
    however, i can't find any obvious correlation between the part of death and the deaths of significant others in my life, nor my own near death experiences. I also checked out the part of daughters (because it was alphabetically adjacent) and found nothing there either. Likewise, I've never found any significance to the part of fortune or any other arabian part every other time i've looked for such. maybe they only apply to persons of arabic descent . . . i could accept that.
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      Re: Arabic Part of Death.

      Thu, October 28, 2010 - 3:24 PM
      I don't really agree with that.

      Arabic Parts have been a part of astrology for a long, long time, and for them to have withstood that test and still be used so much today, there has to be some degree of validity to them.

      All this means is that my theory is BS (fortunately!), not that Arabic Parts themselves, are useless, or only applicable to specific ethnic groups.
      • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

        Fri, October 29, 2010 - 9:17 AM
        the calculator is a spiffy tool.
        i've just never found any significance to the parts, and i can't think of anyone else ever saying that they have.
        just because something may have seemed valid to a certain culture at a certain time doesn't mean that such validity translates and/or endure very well.
        i'd be curious to know if anyone here has felt any sense of resonance with any of their arabic parts.
        just because i don't relate with them shouldn't mean that nobody does. I'm just saying that during my 40+ year fascination with astrology I've never heard anyone cite any first hand sense of affinity with any of their arabic parts.
        also, the whole concept totally reeks of fortune telling . . . a folly in any day/age/culture.
      • Re: Arabic Part of Death.

        Fri, October 29, 2010 - 9:27 AM
        >>Arabic Parts have been a part of astrology for a long, long time, and for them to have withstood that test and still be used so much today, there has to be some degree of validity to them. <<

        again, i haven't seen them being "used" in any meaningful way.

        have you ever heard anyone cite any specific synchronicity of EVENTS relative to their part of fortune or marriage --two of the more frequently "used" ones?

        just because something was written before we were born doesn't show that it will or should ref;lect any meaning in our own lives.

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