This theory is very young. About 10 minutes old. I've been looking at synastry charts this evening and reading a little bit of Jan Spiller wisdom, when a note she makes about Saturn suddenly impacted me.
She says: "It is your destiny to manifest success in the area shown by the placement of Saturn in your birthchart. This is the very part of your life in which you feel limited and awkward due to past life misunderstandings about how to create success."
Just a little while ago I was pondering exactly what the Saturn energy truly is. The only thing that came to me is that is seems heavily karmic, much in the way the moon's nodes are.
Anyway, I was struck by how the placement of Saturn in my 10th house illustrates what Jan Spiller says about it to a T. That is indeed the sorest, most challenging area of my life.
Then, of course, I immediately wanted to see where Saturn sits in the charts of the people most close to my heart. I went to a friend's chart and saw his Saturn sitting (so incredibly poignantly) in his 7th house of partnerships/relationships - indeed a sore spot for him that I am currently being dragged through the mud with to spur transformation. Then I noticed it's in the sign of Taurus, and found it interesting that his primary partner is a Taurus (with a stellium to boot), and wondered if he instinctively sought out Taurus energy in her to help him with his 7th house Saturn issues. Or perhaps more specifically, he sought her out for a relationship that can bring the karma to the surface to be resolved (he is currently having trust and intimacy issues with his partner).
Then I went to my husband's chart, and noticed his Saturn in Aries (in 9th house). It suddenly dawned on me that his ex-wife was an Aries, and was a relationship in his life which taught him more than any other relationship, and helped him through a lot of his karma.
Then I went to a past lover's chart (whom I have much unfinished business with), and noticed his Saturn sitting conveniently in Virgo in his 8th house. I am a Virgo with North Node in Virgo... and have always intuitively known that this lover sought me out for a great deal of heavy past-life and childhood baggage that needed to be brought to the surface.
Would any of you like to probe into your charts (and maybe the charts of loved ones) and test this theory? See if you can find any karmic/major life resolution connections with your Saturn and with one or multiple people who have played significant roles in your life?
She says: "It is your destiny to manifest success in the area shown by the placement of Saturn in your birthchart. This is the very part of your life in which you feel limited and awkward due to past life misunderstandings about how to create success."
Just a little while ago I was pondering exactly what the Saturn energy truly is. The only thing that came to me is that is seems heavily karmic, much in the way the moon's nodes are.
Anyway, I was struck by how the placement of Saturn in my 10th house illustrates what Jan Spiller says about it to a T. That is indeed the sorest, most challenging area of my life.
Then, of course, I immediately wanted to see where Saturn sits in the charts of the people most close to my heart. I went to a friend's chart and saw his Saturn sitting (so incredibly poignantly) in his 7th house of partnerships/relationships - indeed a sore spot for him that I am currently being dragged through the mud with to spur transformation. Then I noticed it's in the sign of Taurus, and found it interesting that his primary partner is a Taurus (with a stellium to boot), and wondered if he instinctively sought out Taurus energy in her to help him with his 7th house Saturn issues. Or perhaps more specifically, he sought her out for a relationship that can bring the karma to the surface to be resolved (he is currently having trust and intimacy issues with his partner).
Then I went to my husband's chart, and noticed his Saturn in Aries (in 9th house). It suddenly dawned on me that his ex-wife was an Aries, and was a relationship in his life which taught him more than any other relationship, and helped him through a lot of his karma.
Then I went to a past lover's chart (whom I have much unfinished business with), and noticed his Saturn sitting conveniently in Virgo in his 8th house. I am a Virgo with North Node in Virgo... and have always intuitively known that this lover sought me out for a great deal of heavy past-life and childhood baggage that needed to be brought to the surface.
Would any of you like to probe into your charts (and maybe the charts of loved ones) and test this theory? See if you can find any karmic/major life resolution connections with your Saturn and with one or multiple people who have played significant roles in your life?
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 5:16 AMIts funny because Saturn is a planet that I ponder on alot in general... I am a rising capricorn with saturn in the 7th!! Talk about being forced to face it in this life :-) haha!
I think there could be alot of truth to that concept...my ex (who I was in love with and "taught me some HUGE lessons") was (are you ready??) a cancer, moon cancer, venus cancer!
Also, In general, I have been friends with & dated alot of Venus cancers and rising cancers.
Thats crazy...
I'm gonna test your theory on other people's charts.
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 7:18 AMI have Saturn in the 4th. I have always lived alone, even through boyfriends and husbands, and even now, my current partner and I live in separate homes.
Saturn isn't just the "sore" spot. Saturn's also a teacher and an authority. Where he's placed will give that as well. You'll find powerful people often have strongly placed Saturn with the personal planets. Saturn in my 4th brings me luck as a landlord.
Other things Saturn is good for: Sacrificing! Not always a BAD word! ie, Sticking to something (like some kind of discipline or even a diet!) :-) See? Saturn can be your friend. If a strong transit is coming up, plan alot of work to be done then, so the energy has an "outlet".
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 10:47 AMHey yall!!
Newbie here!! I'm a sun cap, pisces moon with scorpio rising, and while I'm still understanding my birthchart, Saturn is the ruler of time, discipline, and karma!! Saturn is considered by some a "intense" or "father-like" planet and is the driving force of energy and motivation to most caps; being either sun, moon or rising
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 9:54 AMSo far this theory is ringing true. I tested it on my chart and those I'm close to...
Cap rising here, with Saturn in Sagittarius in the 11th... For the past 4 years, I've been in this profoudly enlightening and empowering relationship with a guy who has is a Sagittarius Sun, Rising and he also has Mars in Sagittarius. He's been helping me resolve so much karma! Everything about this relationship has a fated quality to it. Our nodes are opposed in opposite signs, houses by the exact same degree...
My mom is also a Sagittarius but we have a difficult and distant relationship. She's the flightiest person I've ever known and I'm not sure how her influence is helping me.
Anyone have any ideas what sort of lessons I might learn from my saturn placement??
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 2:48 PMDefinitely an intriguing theory.
I have my Saturn in 7th House Gemini (conjunct my Descendant, actually), and I have always had a lot of difficulty being able to form romantic relationships. The other partnerships the 7th House speaks of were no problem, oddly, but my inability to date anyone or have a single romantic encounter before the age of 21 really agonized me. I certainly felt like a failure in this part of my life. At first, when I was looking at this theory, I thought it didn't apply very strongly, because I've rarely found a very stong draw towards Sagittarius. However, it then occurred to me that the person that helped me transition out of this - who I first kissed and talked to openly about these issues (outside of very close friends) - was a Gemini Sun/Sagittarius Moon, who has a heavy emphasis on this polarity in her chart. I was able to work through a lot of my initial fear, and I know I scared her away with the weight of the issues I was involving her in and projecting onto her, but I felt a compulsive need to continue, even though I felt bad about it. It didn't work out for us to be involved, in the end, but this brief connection provided a number of things that allowed me to open up more, loosen up more, and get over the initial, inexperienced fear I had of sex/romance, in order to go on to - soon afterwards - an almost weird amount of sudden success. -
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:33 PMWelllllll
hmm
I have saturn in the 7th in virgo
I don't have any significant relationships with people who have prominent virgo placements
, but it is well documented that this placement often leads to late marriages if at all
I have relationships, ive had lots of them though the numbers reduced dramatically after teenage land
and now I am so particular I might just keep the three favorite long distance ones forever and never add another
Who knows?
I don't have long close romantic relationships as a rule, but I don't think that's a problem
It seems to work well and I feel lucky that I've been able to pull this off so long
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:29 PMwow... alot of people with 7th house saturn here. me too... in the last degree of leo. so far, no real impactive relationships with a leo... but all 3, my mom, dad, and older brother are leos. and my older brother's sun conjuncts my saturn exactly. so maybe i should talk to him more... we've never really been that close, just very different interests/ways of life.
i'm definitely drawn to leos though... moon, mars, and descendant also in leo. you'd think i'd have been through a million of them by now. -
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Sat, May 24, 2008 - 10:09 AMI think this is profoundly true. Saturn means duty, discipline and, most important TIME. So wherever it is placed, it may take much TIME before you truly achieve Saturnian success. If in the 10th, it may take much time before you achieve career recognition, or perhaps approval of authority figures.
I also think it's important to note what house Saturn RULES. I have Saturn in the 3rd house, in Gemini, ruling the 10th house. I have received recognition for writing and communication since I was 9 years old. But it's only now, in my allegedly "golden" years, that I feel I have come into my own. I can look at things I wrote as recently as 5 years ago, and think they were shallow. It takes awhile to "grow into" your Saturnian house placement. I think Saturn in the 3rd also indicates a strong sibling influence. My siblings were a much larger influence on me than my parents.
Just my 2 cents.
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Sat, May 24, 2008 - 10:22 AMI have a hard time figuring my Saturn placement. Natally, Its in the 6th house and I also have Sun and Mars conj in the 6th house, Aquarius. How would Saturn manifest here?
The only thing I can seem to put my finger on is that recently, as Saturn entered Virgo, (my first house) I have begun school in order to be a R.N. -
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 8:14 AMwow! You lot think your placements is bad (being in the 7th H). Would you have preferred it being in the 1st house?! Hmm, can anyone help me figure out how it would/should affect me? Is it supposed to make me shy, introverted, reserved etc? I used to be like that when i was a kid, but now a days im far from it. Hopefully that means that I've managed to overcome it, if there's such a thing as undoin bad karma?
I'm a scorpio rising, with pluto in sco 12th H, and have Saturn AND Uranus both in sag, 1st house. I'm starting to wonder wether the Uranus in sag in the 1st house is helping me being more extroverted and outgoing. -
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 2:36 AMThose planets being in sag probably helps and uranus would help that too
I bet there are even more things that help
Personally I would say "work with the energies" rather than undoing sbad karma, but the answer to that is yes
You can take the configurations you have and the energies thus associated and you can work them, they do not go away, but all manifestations of energies have many possible expressions many many
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:34 AMMichele -
I didn't even consider the importance of the influence of figures connected to one's Saturn placement. I have Saturn in the 7th, and 'partners' (friends I've really bonded with, friends who are long-term collaborators, romantic relationships) are easily the biggest influences on much of what I do. Even my 7th house 'open enemy'-type parners are hugely influential (for example, teachers I admire and loathe, simultaneously, who openly dislike my work). I think about all of the above's opinions constantly, and very much in relation to how I decide to act. Interesting...
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:30 AMIs it true that you other 7th House Saturn people percieve an immense amount of responsiblility being entailed in anything that would be called a 'partnership?' That the idea of close relationships comes with an obvious weight and seriousness that might make us uncomfortable or worried at what is being taken on or at the ability to stand up to it? Could that description fit for all of us? It might still connect to all of our stories... -
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Re: I just concocted my own hypothesis about Saturn...
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 9:33 PMi have that seriousness with partnerships
Even as a teenager if a friend ran away or was having a problem they came to my house
and I housed them
no question about it
I have been counseling people intensively since about the same time due to how serious I take my deeper friendships
and a friend who betrays me is usually not spoken to for a year or more (there is Pluto's influence in all of this)
Instinctively I limit how many people get really close because I feel very responsible towards others.
I do not have serious romantic relationships hardly ever partly because the weight is too much.
There are many other reasons too like I have long term long distance relationships that i take seriously even if I see them only every year or so, but they are important to me so i don't see why I would give them up. Other things too, that's just the stuff more inclined that way.
Oh, saturn in 7th in virgo
I'm having my saturn return this year too so I am spending a lot of time reviewing these things as Saturn has entered my 7th house
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