so who here is off the grid
who has there own solar and /or wind set up to minamise electricity used form mains power
and or who sell ti back to the grid for what you don't use??
i have been toying for a while how to set up a solar camp for when i go to festivals
and also a wind set up for ones like rainbow serpent which is always a hot windy party
the biggest issue with solar and wind is the cost
more so that any thing in the cost of the inverters and altinators to store power in battery cell banks to be used in low light and wind times
also what are peoples thoughts on the use of hydro power
i have seen a mini hydro set up on a waterfall on a property
no damming involved but th water flowing off the water fall runs the turbine for a miny gennie
who has there own solar and /or wind set up to minamise electricity used form mains power
and or who sell ti back to the grid for what you don't use??
i have been toying for a while how to set up a solar camp for when i go to festivals
and also a wind set up for ones like rainbow serpent which is always a hot windy party
the biggest issue with solar and wind is the cost
more so that any thing in the cost of the inverters and altinators to store power in battery cell banks to be used in low light and wind times
also what are peoples thoughts on the use of hydro power
i have seen a mini hydro set up on a waterfall on a property
no damming involved but th water flowing off the water fall runs the turbine for a miny gennie
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Re: off the grid
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:35 AMCost restricts us - as it probably does with many families. My big goal is to get some huge water tanks installed, but since that costs around $2500 each, it is another thing that has to get added to the list. -
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Re: off the grid
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:21 AMthis is info on the rebates for solar etc.
www.energymatters.com.au/gover...bates/
I'd like to think of it as an investment. The vic gov also just announced a new feed in tarrif which pays you for generating energy (excess to what you use) which goes back into the grid. Its not as good as some systems in other countries, but its a start I guess.
Doesnt Combat Wombat generate their own energy..... for their gigs
www.combatwombat.org
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:14 PMI guess it depends who you listen to as well - I have read and been told that the energy required to make the solar panels is far more than they recoup in their lifespan, same with electric cars, by the time parts have been shipped from across the world more fuel has been used than the car would ever use.
It would be great to see afforable systems in place for us to use. Instead of spending millions on a desalination plant, provide every household with water tanks.
With the increases in costs of living families can't afford to purchase these items, regardless of how much of an investment into the worlds future it is. To have to pay $3500 for a water tank system is unobtainable for most families - never mind the $20k it takes to install solar energy. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:34 PMIve had this discussion before and it always seems to get narky, but I just think we have to find a way, no matter the expense coz the way we are going the future aint going to be one that I want to have kids trying to survive in. If I can generate all my own power and grow my own food, at least they may have a chance when the price of food, oil and energy goes through the roof. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:17 PMDon't worry I won't get narky or take offence!
I agree it would be wonderful if everyone could do this, but families are struggling to put food on the table and clothes on their children - I think part of it goes back to the bigger better more syndrome. Maybe if we could roll the clock back 50 years with the size of housing, self providing, we would be a lot better off, obviously it would need to be combined with the knowledge about the environment we have now.
I just don't know how families are going to be able to find away to pay for solar panels, water tanks etc.
My father in law grows all his own fruit and veggies, as well as producing his own honey it takes loads of water to try and keep things alive, and heaps of time maitaining the gardens (not to mention the bees). Then to top it off the time taken to preserve the excess food, both bottled and dried.
I think most people are trying, water comsumption is down, everyone seems to be changing to energy efficient light bulbs, wood fires don't seem as common. BUT we do need to do more. Maybe the Government needs to take a little responsibilty too.... -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:56 AMthey totally do! But they are all seemingly so heavily influenced by the big mining companies... I will be interested to see what the Rudd Government does after the release of the Garnaut Report.... www.garnautreview.org.au -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:58 AMand yes i think we all need to want less ... but even my little one bedroom flat i rent sold for $292K on Saturday. How are people supposed to go smaller when you need a huge mortgage for a tiny place? -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:17 AM$292K? Wow that is just so unreasonable - our place is an old fashioned three bedroom brick veneer on 900m2 (one bathroom, no garage), which is a lovely sized garden, lots of trees. It would probably go for around $380k+. Repayments on that amount of money would be something like $1700 a fortnight. I don't know how families carry large mortages.
With housing prices even the general cost of living, increasing the way they are I think downsizing and being self sufficient is the only way we can go.
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Re: off the grid
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:13 PMWe have about 20 households in my area, just outside Canberra, in NSW. We are trying to get a company interested in doing a mass install as a group, but no one seems interested, mainly because we want a discount. I am finding the solar industry so up them selves as I can not do the install myself, even though I am electrical engineer. I am qualified to wire-up a coal powered power station, but not solar panels on a house. The other issue is the rate they buy the power is very low, and this only going to get lower as they privatize the grid. At the moment only NT, NSW, TAS, and WA (?) is government owned. VIC, SA & QLD has been sold, result, more blackouts, less maintenance, main goal to sell more power to maximise return for share holders. Sorry for raving on, but I am a member of the Greens party. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:42 PMDont give up it is possible! And I think it is a great idea!!
www.acfonline.org.au/articles/news.asp
maybe speak to the Alternative Technology Association
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:44 AMlain have you looked into wind instead of solar
i wonder how hard it would be to rid up a turbine on an old water pump windmill
plenty of those happily turning in paddocks all over the country -
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:45 PMYep, we are looking at wind power, but on a small scale. All my old southern X windmills are beyond repair.
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Re: off the grid
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:49 AMA mate of mine has filled his pool with the water which runs off his roof and he uses it for the toilets and taps to the garden... and created a deck over the pool to boot as an entertaining area...
This same mate is an Actuary. Ages ago he worked out that it would be cheaper to run his house on solar - combined with the environmental factors - he installed solar at least 7 years ago - and now gets his power for free (and in an environmentally sound fashion) and actually sells power into the grid !