I have an idea to start.
As we are all aware, there are plenty of expensive, never go on sale period patterns by folkwear and others. But there are ALSO very close to period patterns by Simplicity and such that only need small alterations to become VERY period. I think we ought to create a site or something for people who want period clothes, but are not that sewing savvy, and need a regular, cheap pattern with easy instructions to follow
example:
Butterick pattern #B4827 is a woman in a cotehardie with princess seams. The idea of princess seams is allowed under the theory of the ten gore dress. The only non-period thing is the zipper. So we could add at the end :do not sew in zipper. some sort of instructions pertaining to lacing holes instead.
I think that we should all compile a list of those patterns and see if we can't get a cohesive site together
As we are all aware, there are plenty of expensive, never go on sale period patterns by folkwear and others. But there are ALSO very close to period patterns by Simplicity and such that only need small alterations to become VERY period. I think we ought to create a site or something for people who want period clothes, but are not that sewing savvy, and need a regular, cheap pattern with easy instructions to follow
example:
Butterick pattern #B4827 is a woman in a cotehardie with princess seams. The idea of princess seams is allowed under the theory of the ten gore dress. The only non-period thing is the zipper. So we could add at the end :do not sew in zipper. some sort of instructions pertaining to lacing holes instead.
I think that we should all compile a list of those patterns and see if we can't get a cohesive site together
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Re: Period Patterns
01/10Perhaps it is because I am friends with two "period" pattern designers, and have enjoyed classes from a few others for modern styles, and have done the research for a specific pattern line... but I would rather support the small cottage industry of pattern designers that have put in a lot of time, energy, work, sweat, their own money and more to develop and sell well researched patterns for the public.
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01/10So here is an alternate idea. Someone who is interested in sewing accurate copies of actual medieval and renaissance clothing ought to provide a tribe/site for people who research and create patterns. People with the patterns to sell/trade/exchange/share can post photos of the finished items with information on the source and materials (where available) of the original. It would be a photo based rather than a discussion based tribe. I'd use it as a resource. -
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01/11That would work too.
And while I very much support buying from the smaller guys, there is just so much else to it. I have met people who have bought those patterns, but they weren't configured for a larger body. People who couldn't afford a $20 pattern, or can't understand those directions for crap. Because I think it is safe to say that while commercial patterns are geared towards the sewing impaired, fancy period patterns are aimed at people who know at least some about sewing.
I think Jim's idea is a little bit closer to what I was meaning.
I really don't intend the idea as a rip off, but just more a proper compiling of pattern info, and a place where you can ask LOTS of people for help, not just your local group when you meet, if they are sewing inclined. -
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01/11I guess it depends on which pattern sets you get. Margo's set for example is sized for a large person, because Margo herself understands the need for larger sizes.
And the Big3 patterns might go larger in sizes, but sometimes do not go large enough (I know, I am a larger sized person, and some of their patterns I topped out at, and I am not as large as others (top size 22/24 in rtw sizes, which in pattern sizes could be around 24-28, depending on company).
Also, Margo's patterns are geared to someone who knows the very basics of sewing. Her expensive pattern set is a full manual of sewing, with full directions from sizing a pattern to a person's specific body size, to the various types of sewing stitches needed. Kass' patterns also have a number of hand sewing stitches included, although not as deep of info on how to size it for a body. But both ladies offer mailing lists to help people who use their patterns.
There is also SCA Garb mailing list and LJ community, with people willing to help others with their sewing/fitting/ whatever issues they might have with a look. There are a number of different mailing lists of various venues, from local SCA guilds, to a variety of mailing lists on yahoo, to h-costume mailing list (one of the original lists that offer a lot of info on a variety of subjects in their archives).
While I can understand the desire to have it all in one place, to help new people use inexpensive patterns because they are new... I guess for my perspective, I google what I don't know. Yes, it is a bit more work, but I really don't have the time or inclination to put all of my hard earned efforts into remaking the wheel, so to speak.
For those who do late period costuming (or new people interested in such), Kass already has a forum for people who want to know how to make or want to share what they know in making period appropriate garments, and not just for her own patterns. It is for all discussions of all patterns, including Margo's or the Big 3.
reconstructinghistory.freeforums.org/
Perhaps a Forum or Tribe like this for earlier periods is needed. I don't know as I don't do early period stuff (tho I want to someday). There may already be such a forum or site or mailing list that does this already. Like I mentioned before, SCA Garb yahoo group has quite a lot of info in their archives, as do H-costume (but they span all historical garb time line). SCA Garb is inclined to limit themselves to the SCA time period. There is also the Atlantia web site of info that has helped me a lot, and I think there may be a wiki site that does something similar for costuming, although I haven't seen it but once or twice and then it seemed a bit sparse.
Also, GBACG has a pattern review page available to help people when they want to do up a pattern.
www.gbacg.org/GreatPatter...ew/index.htm
People review the patterns they have created, and sometimes info on more period appropriate info may be included, but that isn't its goal.
If you want to move forward with your idea or Jim's idea, please do. Don't let me or anyone else stop you. I just wanted to let you know my own concerns to think about.
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02/12Just a thought here..........coming from someone who has a number of "purchased" and self researched patterns cluttering my craft room........I would be most agreeable to "loaning" out a pattern I have, as long as I could be assured, by the borrower's good word, that I would recieve it back in the same condition it left, and in a reasonable amount of time. Postage would be the responsibilty of the borrower, and would still cost much less than obtaining the pattern itself. Perhaps we could start a thread, whereupon good folks, willing to participate, could list patterns they have that they are willing to loan......borrowers, could then simply send a private message to the individual with the pattern they desire and make arrangements off list.
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02/12This sounds to me like a pattern library. This could also be organized as a tribe.
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02/12Gads, I hate being the voice of negativity, but in this case I must...
Just don't let the Big3 or other pattern companies find out about a pattern lending program. This is copyright infringement, as the patterns are sold for single person use, and in some cases a single garment use (depending on the fine print). Similar to software is sold for a single computer user, unless one buys access rights for more than one user. To do otherwise is considered piracy, even if people do it all the time, or don't charge beyond the shipping costs. -
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02/13Out of pure curiosity, is it considered copyright infringement when I copy a pattern I have purchased onto butcher paper? I absolutely despise those tissue paper bits that come with commercial patterns, so as soon as I bring a new one home, I make a more substantial pattern out of heavy paper. I don't sell or loan out these copied pieces as a practice, but if someone was at my house and asked to borrow my pattern, I wouldn't hesitate to hand it to him/her. -
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02/13I don't know the specifics of this in legal terms, but imo it would be considered fair use to trace it onto butcher paper for your own personal use, like making a backup copy of a purchased software disk, for personal use only.
I do it as well, but onto another thin paper (I use drafting parchment, as I get that by the huge roll) and can make many mods to the redrawn pattern to make it fit me without affecting the original. But I also don't share the pattern with anyone, and my clients keep their original patterns, too, for them to use as they want later.
As to lending a friend who borrowed your pattern... that might be copyright infringement (imo only), since they haven't bought the pattern to use for themselves. I am not a legal expert, just familiar with copyright issues as they pertain to my work. -
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02/13But the thing is it is expressly stated in movie copy right that you can lend it to your friend, even several friends may sit down to watch it at your house, but you can't charge for it, and you can't copy either to sell or give away.
So letting someone borrow seems to be OK, and that is in movies where copyright is getting far more tight because of piracy.
I'd rather do it and apologize later when we get told it's wrong, than ask first and never be able to do it. I'm awful though -
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02/13Read the copyright info on your patterns. Every company is different. Some allow for multiple garments to be made by one person, some allow for *one* garment to be made per pattern, some may allow for multiple users of the pattern, so long as commercial use isn't done, some severely limit commercial uses of the pattern, which I see violated frequently on eBay, etc. Some don't state anything at all except a basic copyright notice (which basically is don't trace the pattern exactly and sell it as is). It all depends on how the copyright limits are given on the paper pattern.
And it is not the same as a movie, which has its own issues with piracy. A movie is meant to be enjoyed by more than one person at a time; not the same with a pattern. This is why I made references to software, which is closer in similarity, tho not the same again.
And this is not the same as fashion copying, which is its own sticky mess.
You (general you here) will do as you will. I just wanted to give people a heads up that others may not take kindly to their copyrighted works being loaned, that's all. -
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02/14Wow. I never knew that about patterns... but then again I usually only use them for me and muck around with them so what I end up with is generally not what it originally looked like in the first place. *shrug*
At any rate. Y'all go hit up Hancock Fabrics. They have all their Butterick patterns on sale through the 18th for 99 cents!
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02/14I read through most of what people wrote and didn't see a link to a site I found the other day. Someone may have referenced them, or they may be common knowledge to everyone here, so my apologies if thats the case. I've been looking for months for patterns that were close to accurate and didnt require a lot of changes that I could make a few moderations to and let my fiance make herself some clothes. (I'm so tired of making patterns from scratch for her and her having absolutely no idea how to put it together because of my lack of instructions :p )
Here is the link:
www.mediaevalmisc.com/patterns.htm
I havent gotten the patterns yet(ordered them two days ago), but judging from the illustrations, the late 14th-early 15th century patterns seem to be pretty close to the artwork I have for references. They are about $20 per grouping, but you get such a large selection of styles that I think it is well worth it.
