Here is a portion of something I thought fascinating. I'll put the link for the entire site at the end.
Cosmological Information
What is the importance of the cosmological associations found in Maya prehistory, especially with regard to Quetzalcoatl? Some scholars believe the Maya focused primarily on the planet Venus, ignoring the majority of the other heavenly bodies, eventually developing such a detailed knowledge of its movements as to be fairly accurate about its position at all times. (Kelley, 1980:1) The importance of Maya astronomy and its cosmological associations are important because of Quetzalcoatl's association with Venus. We could infer that the signifigance of Venus and its association with Quetzalcoatl make the cosmology in the Mayan world, which at times is centered around Quetzalcoatl and Venus, worth studying.
In order to get at the roots of the cosmological questions, we must first lay out all the associations on the table. Quetzalcoatl is considered a paired deity, he is Xolotl's twin, and is the opposite or foil of the rain god Tlaloc (Chac in the Maya). According to Kelley, Tlaloc and Quetzalcoatl are treated together because of the existence of an intermediate form of the gods, called Tlaloc-Quetzalcoatl, and the iconographic and other associations (in temples, etc.). (Kelley, 1980:11) Fernandez tells us that Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl are twins because of one being the morning star version of Venus and the other is the evening star version of Venus. Thus the "morning and evening symbols of Venus revealed a concept of totality, unity and completion:...the ollin, the force which made the sun move; the quincunce, the sign of the four cardinal points and the axis joining the sky and the underworld." (Fernandez, 1984:73)
Both astronomical and symbolic/religious aspects of Quetzalcoatl's cosmology exist which raise questions and discussion for us. From here we will look first at the symbolic religious aspect and second at the astronomical data as it pertains to Quetzalcoatl and his heavenly associations.
Symbolic/Religious Aspects
Some of these symbolic/religious aspects take the form of a Celestial Bird, a serpintine feathered bird which is the central player in the creation myth that Freidel et al argue was the unifying figure for the Classic Maya civilization. The temples upon which the Celestial Bird rests at Copan is one of the first Mountain-of-Creation symbols that celebrate many other religious/ritual events. (Freidel et al., 1993:149, 155) According to Freidel et al., the connection of the Celestial Bird with skeletal Venus imagery and the central mountain monster (analgous to the monster in the above world view) would suggest a distinct relationship to Quetzalcoatl and his powers. Vision serpents can also be seen in this imagery at Chichen Itza, as mentioned elsewhere, and strengthens the links to Quetzalcoatl even more.
The Venus God, the cosmological identity of Quetzalcoatl, also makes ritual appearances at ballcourts. Unlike normal ballcourts, however, these are false ones. It would seem that the false ballcourt, with the Venus God emerging from a long, twisted snake was the place of many sacrifices committed for the nobility and the gods. (Freidel et al., 1993:154) Furthermore, Schele and others have shown that an enormous amount of Mayan events in general were organized around the stations of Venus, and at Copan specifically they were the most regular and predictable. Imagery on the stairs and stelae celebrate the Venus God, i.e. Quetzalcoatl, and suggests that the deity was the "way" for the kings and other rulers. (Schele and Fash, 1991; Schele and Larios, 1991)
At Teotihuacan, there is also evidence for similar Quetzalcoatl Cosmological imagery. This time, Freidel et al have identified an emblem which appears on both the Tikal and Teotihuacan banners. This emblem represents the god Tlaloc and as the authors state, he is part of the Waxaklahun-Ubah-Kan which is the Venus God. (Freidel et al., 1993:299-300) He is also a serpent creature (with wings, legs, and a tail) whose image is carried on feathered standards which are used by nobility going into battle or ritual. Quetzalcoatl becomes mixed up in Waxaklahun-Ubah-Kan as well as being the Venus God who is related to Tlaloc in their duality.
Astronomical Aspects
With regard to the astronomical technicalities, the Mayans were quite adept in suiting their religious ideology to the movements of the heavens. Specifically with Quetzalcoatl and Venus there is a strong association towards the powerful and cosmological. Venus has, in particular, a heliacal rising and a western elongation which no doubt figured prominently in their beliefs. According to Aveni, the heliacal rising is the first annual predawn appearance of Venus and was likely the most important single event in Maya astronomy. (Aveni, 1980: 85) At this point, Venus is also the brightest that it will be in the sky as it passes the closest it gets to Earth. It is only outshined by the Sun and Moon in this stage. At the greatest western elongation it is in the sky for the longest period of time before being lost in the suns glare.
There is also the superior conjunction and the greatest eastern conjunction which occur as Venus masquerades as the Evening Star. The brightness is at a minimum due to its distance away from Earth, but it is still several orders of magnitude brighter than other stars in the sky. At the greatest eastern conjuction Venus is in the sky for the longest period of time again as the Evening Star. Aveni states that the Mayans and later Central Mexicans divided the motion of Venus into four intervals with an eight day disappearance period such as the one we give it today. Of note is the bit of data in which the Maya assigned unequal values for the intervals between the appearance of the Morning Star versus Evening Star. Aveni asserts this to be due to ritualistic influences overriding their infallible timekeeping. (Aveni, 1980: 86)
Ritualisticly, these intervals and conjunctions represented certain events in the life of the deities, in this case Quetzalcoatl. For instance, they believed that the heliacal rising brought certain perils like pestilence, death, and destruction to the land. (Aveni, 1980: 186) The rays also acted with deference to the people they brought peril to, it would strike people of different classes in different ways while some escaped its harm by being in a better class. Also, when the eight day disappearance period existed was also the death of Quetzalcoatl. He would first lie in the underworld for four days, and then be bones for four days, and then reappear as the morning star on the heliacal rising. At this time Quetzalcoatl then "ascended the throne as god." (Aveni, 1980: 187)
weber.ucsd.edu/~anthclub/...quetzal.htm
Go through the whole thing. It's wonderful.
Kenneth
Cosmological Information
What is the importance of the cosmological associations found in Maya prehistory, especially with regard to Quetzalcoatl? Some scholars believe the Maya focused primarily on the planet Venus, ignoring the majority of the other heavenly bodies, eventually developing such a detailed knowledge of its movements as to be fairly accurate about its position at all times. (Kelley, 1980:1) The importance of Maya astronomy and its cosmological associations are important because of Quetzalcoatl's association with Venus. We could infer that the signifigance of Venus and its association with Quetzalcoatl make the cosmology in the Mayan world, which at times is centered around Quetzalcoatl and Venus, worth studying.
In order to get at the roots of the cosmological questions, we must first lay out all the associations on the table. Quetzalcoatl is considered a paired deity, he is Xolotl's twin, and is the opposite or foil of the rain god Tlaloc (Chac in the Maya). According to Kelley, Tlaloc and Quetzalcoatl are treated together because of the existence of an intermediate form of the gods, called Tlaloc-Quetzalcoatl, and the iconographic and other associations (in temples, etc.). (Kelley, 1980:11) Fernandez tells us that Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl are twins because of one being the morning star version of Venus and the other is the evening star version of Venus. Thus the "morning and evening symbols of Venus revealed a concept of totality, unity and completion:...the ollin, the force which made the sun move; the quincunce, the sign of the four cardinal points and the axis joining the sky and the underworld." (Fernandez, 1984:73)
Both astronomical and symbolic/religious aspects of Quetzalcoatl's cosmology exist which raise questions and discussion for us. From here we will look first at the symbolic religious aspect and second at the astronomical data as it pertains to Quetzalcoatl and his heavenly associations.
Symbolic/Religious Aspects
Some of these symbolic/religious aspects take the form of a Celestial Bird, a serpintine feathered bird which is the central player in the creation myth that Freidel et al argue was the unifying figure for the Classic Maya civilization. The temples upon which the Celestial Bird rests at Copan is one of the first Mountain-of-Creation symbols that celebrate many other religious/ritual events. (Freidel et al., 1993:149, 155) According to Freidel et al., the connection of the Celestial Bird with skeletal Venus imagery and the central mountain monster (analgous to the monster in the above world view) would suggest a distinct relationship to Quetzalcoatl and his powers. Vision serpents can also be seen in this imagery at Chichen Itza, as mentioned elsewhere, and strengthens the links to Quetzalcoatl even more.
The Venus God, the cosmological identity of Quetzalcoatl, also makes ritual appearances at ballcourts. Unlike normal ballcourts, however, these are false ones. It would seem that the false ballcourt, with the Venus God emerging from a long, twisted snake was the place of many sacrifices committed for the nobility and the gods. (Freidel et al., 1993:154) Furthermore, Schele and others have shown that an enormous amount of Mayan events in general were organized around the stations of Venus, and at Copan specifically they were the most regular and predictable. Imagery on the stairs and stelae celebrate the Venus God, i.e. Quetzalcoatl, and suggests that the deity was the "way" for the kings and other rulers. (Schele and Fash, 1991; Schele and Larios, 1991)
At Teotihuacan, there is also evidence for similar Quetzalcoatl Cosmological imagery. This time, Freidel et al have identified an emblem which appears on both the Tikal and Teotihuacan banners. This emblem represents the god Tlaloc and as the authors state, he is part of the Waxaklahun-Ubah-Kan which is the Venus God. (Freidel et al., 1993:299-300) He is also a serpent creature (with wings, legs, and a tail) whose image is carried on feathered standards which are used by nobility going into battle or ritual. Quetzalcoatl becomes mixed up in Waxaklahun-Ubah-Kan as well as being the Venus God who is related to Tlaloc in their duality.
Astronomical Aspects
With regard to the astronomical technicalities, the Mayans were quite adept in suiting their religious ideology to the movements of the heavens. Specifically with Quetzalcoatl and Venus there is a strong association towards the powerful and cosmological. Venus has, in particular, a heliacal rising and a western elongation which no doubt figured prominently in their beliefs. According to Aveni, the heliacal rising is the first annual predawn appearance of Venus and was likely the most important single event in Maya astronomy. (Aveni, 1980: 85) At this point, Venus is also the brightest that it will be in the sky as it passes the closest it gets to Earth. It is only outshined by the Sun and Moon in this stage. At the greatest western elongation it is in the sky for the longest period of time before being lost in the suns glare.
There is also the superior conjunction and the greatest eastern conjunction which occur as Venus masquerades as the Evening Star. The brightness is at a minimum due to its distance away from Earth, but it is still several orders of magnitude brighter than other stars in the sky. At the greatest eastern conjuction Venus is in the sky for the longest period of time again as the Evening Star. Aveni states that the Mayans and later Central Mexicans divided the motion of Venus into four intervals with an eight day disappearance period such as the one we give it today. Of note is the bit of data in which the Maya assigned unequal values for the intervals between the appearance of the Morning Star versus Evening Star. Aveni asserts this to be due to ritualistic influences overriding their infallible timekeeping. (Aveni, 1980: 86)
Ritualisticly, these intervals and conjunctions represented certain events in the life of the deities, in this case Quetzalcoatl. For instance, they believed that the heliacal rising brought certain perils like pestilence, death, and destruction to the land. (Aveni, 1980: 186) The rays also acted with deference to the people they brought peril to, it would strike people of different classes in different ways while some escaped its harm by being in a better class. Also, when the eight day disappearance period existed was also the death of Quetzalcoatl. He would first lie in the underworld for four days, and then be bones for four days, and then reappear as the morning star on the heliacal rising. At this time Quetzalcoatl then "ascended the throne as god." (Aveni, 1980: 187)
weber.ucsd.edu/~anthclub/...quetzal.htm
Go through the whole thing. It's wonderful.
Kenneth
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 3:46 PMdear Kenneth
I always thought that Quetzalcoatl is the Inca name
of what the Maya people refer to as Kukulcan
yet .... yes it is the Feathered Serpent so it doesn't really matter
but since I found out about your 'precise approach'
I thought I 'd let you know :-)
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 5:18 PMWhat a Wealth of info
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 5:41 PMok I am sending you a copy ...
and no worries I have given many out so one more it is only an honour to send it to you
it is a used one tho'......... hope you don't mind my notes on it ......Passenger
Blessed Be !!
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 5:58 PMCapt.D
You are quite right! I don't really know of course, but I think this author is using the name Quetzalcoatl as a general one.
Kenneth
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 6:01 PMTHE LEGEND OF VIRACOCHA
(Viracocha means 'Foam of the Sea')
In the beginning, Lord Con Ticci Viracocha, prince and creator of all things, emerged from the void and created the earth and the heavens. He rose from Lake Titicaca at the dawn of life.
Then he created animals and a race of giants (who lived in eternal darkness as he had neglected to create a source of light). These beings enraged the Lord, and he turned them into stone. Then he flooded the earth till all was under water, and all life extinguished. In a new start, he created the sun, moon, and stars.
Then he created new birds and animals. Again he decided to form human beings: these he fashioned from stone. Some he painted with long hair, some with short hair; some women he painted as pregnant, some as caring for the babies fashioned beside them; and on each figure he painted the clothes they would continue to wear. Finally he divided the stone figures into groups, giving each group its own language, its own food to grow, and its own songs to sing. Then he buried all the figures in the earth to await his command that would bring them to life.
Viracocha then summoned his helpers and told them to go forth on the earth in different directions to prepare places for the new humans to occupy. Viracocha then traveled the land, calling each group into life as he passed the land they were to populate, whereupon he taught them how to live on the land selected for them.
When they were finished with their teachings, Viracocha and his companions bade farewell to the people and walked away on the waves of the ocean to disappear toward the setting sun.
When he came to a province of Cacha, Viracocha called the Indians in this area to emerge. But these people came out armed, and, as they did not know who Viracocha was when they saw him, they rushed to Viracocha with their weapons raised ready to kill him. When Viracocha saw them coming, he realized their malicious intentions and instantly caused fire to fall from heaven, burning the mountains nearest to the people. When they saw the volcano the people realized the power of Viracocha and feared that they would die in the fire. Throwing their weapons to the ground, they went straight to Viracocha and kneeled themselves before him. When Viracocha saw this he took a staff in his hand and went to where the volcano was. He gave it two or three blows with his staff, which put it out forever, and then he told the Indians that he was their maker. To remember their origins, and the miraculous activities of Viracocha, the Canas Indians built a majestic huaca, which means a shrine or idol, at the place where Viracocha stood when he called the fire from heaven and from which he went to put it out.
Viracocha / Kukulkan / Quetzalcoatl
Comparison Among Inca, Mayan and Aztec Creation Myths
The feathered serpent god is one of the great mysteries of ancient American cultures. He was called Kukulkan by the Mayas, Quetzalcoatl by the Aztecs and Viracocha by the Incas. He was described as being a Caucasian, bearded man with beautiful emerald eyes.
The supreme deity of the Incas: Viracocha
The Incas, which had a great technology when the Europeans were still barbaric nomads, said that their technology was taught to them by Viracocha who was described as a Caucasian, bearded man.
Legends of the Aymara Indians say that the Creator God Viracocha rose from Lake Titicaca during the time of darkness to bring forth light. Viracocha was a storm god and a sun god who was represented as wearing the sun for a crown, with thunderbolts in his hands, and tears descending from his eyes as rain. He wandered the earth disguised as a beggar and wept when he saw the plight of the creatures he had created.
Viracocha made the earth, the stars, the sky and mankind, but his first creation displeased him, so he destroyed it with a flood and made a new, better one, taking to his wanderings as a beggar, teaching his new creations the basics of civilization, as well as working numerous miracles. Viracocha eventually disappeared across the Pacific Ocean (by walking on the water), and never returned. It was thought that Viracocha would re-appear in times of trouble.
Mayas: Kukulkan
Kukulkan was both a real person and a myth. The king Kukulkan lived about twenty centuries ago and was the founder of all empires in ancient America.
The legend says that he came from heaven to earth, and because of that he was represented as a feathered serpent in all the ruins of Mexico's archaeological sites. Half man and half god in one same being. The quetzal bird representing heaven, the serpent representing earth.
White-skinned and bearded, Kukulkan was also the god of life and divine wisdom.
He brought love, penitence, and exemption from the usual rituals of sacrifice and blood offering.
He was a mystical man who met with people from distant places, and had the power to heal the sick and bring the dead back to life. When he departed for the east, traveling the ocean on a raft of serpents, he promised his followers that he would return.
Aztecs: Quetzalcoatl
Quetzalcoatl was the Lord of Intelligence and the Winds in Aztec mythology. The myth says that Quetzalcoatl had been humiliated and set off to the east. Since then, the Aztecs awaited the coming of the feathered serpent god, Quetzalcoatl, and his army.
In 1519, Hernán Cortéz disembarked with its troops in the country of Moctezuma, emperor of the Aztecs. His arrival agreed peculiarly with the announcement of the cyclical return, every 52 years, of Quetzalcoatl, who was believed to have white skin and a beard.
According to the legend, this same God, would have introduced the cacao and taught to its worshippers to cultivate it. Thus, Cortéz and his soldiers were received like Gods and entertained with "tchocolatl "
Maybe Moctezuma thought that, since the Spanish had come from the direction that Quetzalcoatl had last been seen, this strange conqueror might logically be the returning god. The Spanish conquistadors filled the requirements for these myths and made them self-fulfilling prophecies - the Aztecs believed that their own god had come to destroy them.
Conclusion
The Aztecs, Mayas and Incas had cultures that were quite advanced in many ways. The architecture, calendars, and art of these peoples were at least to European standards, if not superior in quality. The god known as Viracocha / Kukulkan / Quetzalcoatl was said to be responsible for giving these crafts to the Aztecs, Incas, Mayas.
There are many different theories that try to explain the existence of this god. Some historians speculate that the god and his men were actually Europeans (probably Vikings, since they traveled around a lot). Others claim that the god and his people were a group of aliens, which could also explain the various references to this god arriving from the sky. But Viracocha / Kukulkan / Quetzalcoatl could equally well be a mere legend.
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 6:57 PMKenneth I was wrong as well it is Aztec indeed Quetzalcoatl ,my mistake .. sorry
anyway I think many 'researcher '..... with all due respect .. have really messed up some infos
seems to me that the succession of periods doesn't quite match
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Sat, February 16, 2008 - 9:32 PMThanks you guys
This has been a worthwhile study
great work
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 7:28 AMOh, don't apologize Capt.D. Of course, I enjoy being right at all times :-) And I may get huffy when someome thinks what I say is wrong (no matter the subject), I usually go looking for information to make sure whereof I speak (or write). And being "right" will sometimes depend on your source of information. And this is why I try to read about things in different sources. I love to learn.
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 1:10 PMthank you Kenneth .. I have 'stepped' upon this .. (the Quest continues):-)))
The Quetzalcoatl story hangs somewhat like an urban legend throughout American esoteric circles. Most people believe Quetzalcoatl was a white god figure who came mysteriously among the Aztecs, gave them direction for living, and then left them with a promise to someday return.
The belief among the Aztecs that their white god would someday return is told as the reason why the Aztecs submitted without a fight to a small band of Spanish conquerors, led by Hernando Cortez, in 1518.
That Cortez and other Spanish conquistadors were followed into Central America by Catholic priests, who ravaged the cities and destroyed all record of the native religious life and their history, including priceless libraries of books carefully hand-written on bark paper, can perhaps be blamed for the twisted mythology.
The name Quetzalcoatl meant “feathered serpent” and was a name given to numerous kings, or rulers of the early empires of the Toltecs, a civilization that preceded both the Aztec and Mayan nations in the same area.
From surviving documents and rock carvings, historians believe the origin of the Quetzalcoatl myth lies in the story of a Toltec ruler named Topiltzin, a powerful leader who conquered the smaller tribal villages throughout Central America and built the Toltecs into an important cultural center between about 900 to 1200 AD.
In the myth, Topiltzin, the son of a warlord named Mixcoatl, bolted from his mother’s chest a full-grown man dressed for battle. The legend places his birth at Xochicalco, a classic era city in the Valley of Mexico. Mixcoatl and his son conduct successful campaigns, building a Toltec empire. Archaeological record supports the fact that there was a literal explosion of Toltec influence in the area at about 950 AD.
The myth continues with twisted Christian roots in the story of Topiltzin’s son, Quetzalcoatl Huemac, the successor to the Toltec throne, is driven from power by Tezcatlipoca, leader of the Chichimecs in the North.
As the empire falls, Huemac destroys the cities, burns the temples, and orders all of the sacred books and treasures hidden high in the mountains. Eventually Huemac is forced by the demonic minions of Tezcatlipoca to give up his knowledge of craft and science and the arts.
Finally, alone on the Gulf Coast at Acallan, Huemac immolates himself in a sacred bonfire. As he burns, his spirit rises up to become Venus, the Morning Star. With his passing, the Toltec Era is brought to an end.
The parallels with the Jesus story in the Christian myth are remarkable. While not put to death by soldiers from a ruling empire, Huemac is driven to his death by an invasion. And like Jesus, his death signals the end of his mortal kingship. Also like Jesus, Huemac and his father, Topiltzin, are associated in the myth with the people and exist as mortals.
Both Jesus and Quetzalcoatl appear in mythology as if they really existed, although there is no proof to be found that they were real persons.
It is interesting that the spirit of Huemac becomes Venus, the Morning Star. This is the very name of Lucifer awarded in the Old Testament to the so-called fallen angel that the Christians believe is now ruling the Earth under the name Satan.
As one writer expressed it: “Quetzalcoatl is to the New World what Christ is to Europe: the center of a religious cosmology and pre-eminent symbol of the civilized nations of Mesoamerica. Both men were considered to be men who ascended into heaven upon their death; Christ to sit at the right hand of God, Quetzalcoatl to become the Morning Star.
“Both were tempted by evil powers; Christ by Satan, Quetzalcoatl by the wizard-god Tezcatlipoca. And both were prophesied to one day return to earth, Christ as the Prince of the Kingdom of Heaven, Quetzalcoatl as a god-king returned to claim his kingdom in Central Mexico.”
Even though these two civilizations existed at opposite ends of the Earth, and at about the same time in history, the same basic story has evolved in local mythology. Like a contemporary movie script, the plot is the same, but the characters and their interaction are altered.
By James Donahue
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 1:43 PMI am about to swoon! This is great. I love this kind of stuff.
And it reminds me once again to be careful about believing what I read, because christianity was/is so insidious, both overtly and covertly.
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 10:21 PMI must say
It is so nice to be able to sit back and absorb all this great info
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Mon, February 18, 2008 - 8:04 AMReading only, please. No absorbing allowed. ;-)
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Tue, February 19, 2008 - 7:38 PMSymbolically, the Feathered Serpent can be interpreted as man rising above this mortal plight of crawling on his belly in the dust of the Earth and awaiting death -- to rise above it by flying above it via as a serpent that escapes that fate by flying above it...
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 6:01 AMThat is so. Another example is Hermes. As psychopompos, he had the freedom to travel within and between the Underworld and Olympos, symbolized by the wings on his hat and heels, and the serpents on his caduceus. (Although there are numerous other correspondences.)
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:31 PMI first leaned of Phycopomps after reading Steven Kings the Dark Half
Truly his best
And who could forget Oden
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:45 PMYes, indeed. Speaking of our beloved psychopomps, Hermes (Mercury) and Odin (Woden), they show up in everyday language. In English we say Wednesday (Woden's Day) and in Spanish we would say Miercoles (named for Mercurius). Wednesday is the day of the planet Mercury in astrological terms.
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 6:44 PMI like the word
National
Meaning
Navile
Nashville, Tennesse
Esssene NET (Backward)
The home of legendary tribe of white indians
called the Mandans
Also near the site was found the Bat creek stone
Ancient Hebrew Tablet
Kinda makes you think about Joseph Smiths discovery doesn't it?
Also
How did that image of Corn get on Roselynn Chapel?
If corn was only found in the Americas?
Hmmmmmmmmm
Also again
What about all those Hebrew and Egyptian Relics found at the Grand Canyon
Kinda make you think of Indiana Jones
And could the Ark Of the Cov be here
In A MERO KA(MT MERU)
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 6:46 PMoh oh wait
Weren't we talking about Quetzalcoatl
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 6:49 PMManna
Mannafest
Manufacture
MA(Egyptian)
MA MA
Mother
MAAT
MAGI
MAGIC
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 6:51 PMKA(Egyptian)(Spirit)
A MERO KA
Cat
Carry
KITE
KALI
California
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 5:04 AMQuetzalcoatel is a macro-god of the mayan civilization. They used to cut the hearts out of living people to smash in it's stone mouth. Quetzalcoatl wants energy (blood) in exchange for teaching us how to someday go past the stargate. -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 9:44 PMGood Point
Hey did anyone see that New DVD Called 2012 Doomsday
They encorperated Christainity with the whole Mayan Long calender !3 moons thing
The movie sucked but it was very intresting
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 2:23 PMHere is my favorite 2012 video- video.google.com/videoplay -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:18 PMquetzalcoatl
i suppose he must be
white light
dressed in white
w/white beard
white hair
white skin
shining eyes
being of light
no mere 'white man'
but
a being of light
being
that
light
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bringing
the change
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:28 PMSounds like moses when he came of the mountain
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:36 PMIn Revelations
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 6:35 AMoh Gandalf returns in White too after the gray ..
White is a druidic colour ...
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