Veggie van

topic posted Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:33 PM by  Linda
My parnter and I just bought a diesel van. We are getting ready to convert it to run on vegetable oil. We are excited and can't wait to get started. Wondering if anyone here is doing this, has done it and/or has tips. We are looking at going with the greasecar kit and finding a diesel mechanic to help us install it. We also are planning our veggie filtering system and plan to start collecting oil from local restuarants.

So any tips and experience would be helpful as we begin this journey.
Blessings
Linda
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Linda
Wisconsin
  • Re: Veggie van

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:41 PM
    i do not, but girl mark gave me this www.b100supply.com/
    a web site that sells equipment and has a library of resourses
    that is awesome, have fun!
    • Re: Veggie van

      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:12 PM
      Thanks Amanda. The site you included is a site on biodiesel and we are planning to run on straight veggie oil. I prefer to just filter the veggie oil and not mess with making biodiesel. Although I will fill the main tank with biodiesel as we are able to find it already prepared. I found a site that lists all the places int he country where you can purchase biodiesel.
      Blessings
      Linda
      • Re: Veggie van

        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:20 PM
        I had a little VW golf diesel for a long time.... Boy did I ever beat that thing into the ground! but it was a great, very reliable little car. Only reason it ever broke down is that I was always trying to use it like a major pickup truck. Hauling one and two motorcycles on a flatbed all over the country behind 52 horsepower and a transmission that weighed literally less than a hundred seventy pounds. I know cause I've had to remove it before ;)

        Anyways, I've run it on veggie oil, without any modifications. I didn't do it often, but it did work and nothing bad happened. I hear there are parts of the fuel train that are sensetive to veggie oils and can deteriorate, mainly a diaphragm inside the mechanical fuel pump up by the engine, sometimes fuel lines depending on what they're made of. Mine were mostly steel, with some small flex-sections out of hydraulic-fluid-rated rubber tubing, so no problem.

        Both of those items (diaphragm and fuel lines) are pretty straightforward to replace, pumps aren't that tricky to work on and I'm not anything close to a diesel mechanic. Just remember to mark your timing belt and all your timing sprockets, and mark a corresponding line on a stationary part nearby. I used some sparkly-sorta nail polish my wife donated to the project, because it was durable and easy to see. When you put everything back together, make sure all the marks line up. Anyways that's how I did a lot of diesel engine work. Never had anything go wrong from the work I did.

        I dont know if you and/or your partner is at all mechanically inclined, but I strongly encourage anyone to get a little grease on their hands. it's not as hard as it looks. I went from not knowing how to do an oil change (no I'm serious) at age eighteen, to being confident and competent at tearing down and fixing any engine, car, boat, motorcycle, airplane you name it, by age twenty three. And that's just with some instruction books for the cars I was working on, and buying tools along the way as I discovered (usually the hard way) what I needed. No mentors, no classes, no certification, but I'll never need a mechanic's help ever again, unless I'm feeling lazy.

        Every survivalist would do well to learn mechanical skills... Although I know we don't all have time or inclination to do it, just like not all of us are master herbalists either. Still, if you can spare the time, this is a great opportunity to add some eternally useful skills to your reportoire, and save a whole lot of money too. Anyways that's my two-bits.
        Unless you can find someone to cut you a good deal, any diesel mechanic work is going to make you lightheaded come tab-settling time. Unless you have deep pockets, which I definitely didn't at the time when I owned my golf.
        • Re: Veggie van

          Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:45 PM
          Thanks I appreciate your input and encouragemt. And we are going to have to learn alot through this process, but are very willing...even excited about it! I have wondered about running on vegetable oil without modifications. My parnter is hesitant to try this, but I can't imagine in the warmer months why this would be a problem, as long as you strained your oil really well. It seems like the modifications are more helpful in the winter, when you need to have your veggie oil up to a certain temperature before you use it.

          Other thoughts comments etc. are welcome.
          Blessings
          Linda
          • Re: Veggie van

            Wed, May 21, 2008 - 2:29 AM
            Well I guess I'm sitting on the other shoulder on this question.

            Using old veggie oil in a diesel engine is a little tricky depending on the engine type and I would suggest you find a yahoo or google group devoted to your make/model and see what they say. I only suggest that because many VW TDi enthusiasts agree that trying to use old veggie oil will most likely kill your engine prematurely. The NA IDI VW engines are a little more forgiving especially if your just pouring a gallon or two of clean veggie oil into half a tank of diesel but for a long lasting solution on a modern diesel engine you will need fine filtering, heated injector lines and most likely a two tank system.

            Fine filtering is extremely important as well as heating the supply lines right up to the injectors. Problems often occur because the oil is not of a uniform consistency (not hot enough or not filtered well enough) and the injectors get coked up which creates variations in the injector spray pattern leading to excessively hot areas in the cylinders chamber or directly on the piston head resulting in catastrophic failure. Many use either biodiesel or new veggie oil for this very reason which kinda kills the recycling buzz. I know that other makes of vehicles are not as affected as the VW TDi but it would be smart to get information from folks other than the ones selling the straight veggie oil conversion parts.

            And I would certainly suggest heated injector lines in the summer as well as the winter and you should consider a two tank system where you start your vehicle on biodiesel or diesel and switch to veggie after it is running and back to bio/diesel before you shut it off. You don't want unheated veggie oil sitting in your injector pump over night it will just clog it up. Also your veggie oil tank should be aluminum or plastic but not be steel at it polymerizes into a gummy varnish.

            And last, yes, many diesel lines are not biodiesel or veggie oil friendly. Viton is the main trade name for hose that is biodiesel friendly so you should check you lines to make sure the are OK. And in apparent contradiction to what the previous poster said about rebuilding an injector pump - I would warn you that many pumps are not that simple to rebuild and caution you that injector pumps have many small parts and the work needs to be done in a very clean environment; think clean kitchen table rather than shop bench environment.

            All of that said I do know that done correctly many cars including the VW TDi can run on used veggie oil but I would caution you on trying to cut corners or you will most likely ruin your engine.

            Good luck,

            D
            • Re: Veggie van

              Wed, May 21, 2008 - 2:31 AM
              Oh Yea,

              Try and get quality used oil. My friend gets it from a tortilla factory and I understand that sushi restaurants have some of the best. You want to be picky and not use the black sludge you will find at that hole-in-the-wall that never changes their oil.

              D
  • Re: Veggie van

    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:28 AM
    My brother has an older Benz turbo wagon. What he has been doing is running clean veggie oil mixed with 1/4 diesel. He did add several good filters and has run with more diesel too, but is happy with a 3-1 mix for the benz. Btw he is a factory trained Benz mechanic that now builds Lotus race cars.
    • Re: Veggie van

      Wed, May 21, 2008 - 3:02 PM
      Yes cutting it goes a long way towards improving consistency and that is a great recommendation especially for the warmer months. I'm not sure but once it starts getting cooler this fall I am guessing the oil wont flow properly even with 1/4 diesel. I could be wrong on this but its easy enough to do some experiments; jars of different concentrations of oil and diesel in the refrigerator. That is the great thing about diesels - if you run out of fuel you can stop at any grocery store and pour in a gallon of veggie oil as long as you have a little diesel in the tank and it will get you to the next diesel station. Also every diesel design is more or less forgiving about injector spray patterns and I think the older MB is more forgiving than some of the new cars.
      • Re: Veggie van

        Wed, May 21, 2008 - 3:50 PM
        Most likely true. He does run in the winter in the Sierra Nevada mountains though.
        • Re: Veggie van

          Wed, May 21, 2008 - 6:45 PM
          Hi LInda,
          An old frienid of mine, Lyle Rudensey, has a website. He calls himself Bio Lyle.....he makes bio diesel but could perhaps
          be helpful in your learning process with links and such.....he is a wonderful human being....peace, Julie
          www.biolyle.com/

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