Since I am taking a dancer vacation and doing some personal inventory of things.. I came across a question that I have to ask.
Why do you dance what you dance? or.. Why do you dance the way you dance?
Regardless of style... We are all aware that there are many variations of dance.. and that the genre encompasses a wide range of styles and personalities in the folks who do dance.
For me, it has to come from the heart.. Not just a choreography of movements; but something from deeper within. The music has to move me as a performer to want to bring out the things I want someone to see. It's self expression at it's truest for me.
I truly want the audience to experience what it is I am feeling regardless of the emotion of it. While yes, certain themes for me, like rage and anger do have to be presented at appropriate times. Other themes like; love and heartbreak are much more readily accepted on many stages.
Part of the reason for my own choosing of "Goth Fusion" is that I can indeed express myself as a whole person. While I am a happy person 90% of the time, I have indeed experienced every emotion in my life and I chose to turn that aroiund and be comfortable with expressing it. It's not something that everyone can do, and I truly understand that about people. So, for me, running in the Gothic Belly Dance circles allows me to better express myself through reflective choices in music and movement.
I've read a lot recently about misunderstandings and misinterpretations of what GBD really is... and we all know that the truth is truly subjective to the dancer. Its not always about anger,depression, pagan ritual..... While they are common themes.. there is still a lot of mystery around it. However, there has always been a mystery about what being "Goth" really is. {and that's a whole different topic all together}.
I have come to appreciate all forms of the dance... even the performances that I just "don't get". ...
So, let me get back to my question for everyone? Why do you dance the way you dance?
Why do you dance what you dance? or.. Why do you dance the way you dance?
Regardless of style... We are all aware that there are many variations of dance.. and that the genre encompasses a wide range of styles and personalities in the folks who do dance.
For me, it has to come from the heart.. Not just a choreography of movements; but something from deeper within. The music has to move me as a performer to want to bring out the things I want someone to see. It's self expression at it's truest for me.
I truly want the audience to experience what it is I am feeling regardless of the emotion of it. While yes, certain themes for me, like rage and anger do have to be presented at appropriate times. Other themes like; love and heartbreak are much more readily accepted on many stages.
Part of the reason for my own choosing of "Goth Fusion" is that I can indeed express myself as a whole person. While I am a happy person 90% of the time, I have indeed experienced every emotion in my life and I chose to turn that aroiund and be comfortable with expressing it. It's not something that everyone can do, and I truly understand that about people. So, for me, running in the Gothic Belly Dance circles allows me to better express myself through reflective choices in music and movement.
I've read a lot recently about misunderstandings and misinterpretations of what GBD really is... and we all know that the truth is truly subjective to the dancer. Its not always about anger,depression, pagan ritual..... While they are common themes.. there is still a lot of mystery around it. However, there has always been a mystery about what being "Goth" really is. {and that's a whole different topic all together}.
I have come to appreciate all forms of the dance... even the performances that I just "don't get". ...
So, let me get back to my question for everyone? Why do you dance the way you dance?
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 3:34 PMI dance because I enjoy dancing. I could never take a dancer vacation, honestly. I might take a vacation from classes, or a vacation from practice at home, or a vacation from reading about it on the internet, or watching it on YouTube, or working on costumes... but to say a vacation from dance, to me that seems physically impossible. We are always dancing. It's just about whether or not we're being structured about it.
I dance because music makes me move. If I don't enjoy the music, I can't move to it. If people watching don't enjoy the music, I find they tend to not enjoy watching the dance - this is from my personal experience with friends and family at various bellydance events. And since not everyone likes every type of music, there will always be people who aren't into watching certain types of dance.
There is nothing you can do to change that. No amount of "education" can force someone to like a type of art or music they don't like, unless their ONLY reason for disliking it is that they "shouldn't"... and then, probably deep down, they already like it.
I understand your frustration about GBD. While I'm not a gothic bellydancer, I'm a "goth hag" (think fag hag!)... I see gothic subculture misunderstood frequently. And part of me says... if it wasn't mysterious to the outsider in some way, goths would be unhappy! But being constantly pegged as a Satan worshipper sucks.
That being said... you saw my piece at the Hot Pot summer show. I love that song. I have a great time dancing to it. But I would never, ever perform it anywhere but for Hot Potters, because the lyrics are mighty suggestive. And while I can say "the audience should be educated enough to watch me bellydance to any great piece of music", that simply isn't true. I can't make that demand of everyone who might wander in to a show.
So there are times when I play it safe. And times when I know I don't have to. I try to find a joyful way to dance in both of those situations, because really, that's up to me, and nobody else. -
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 7:37 PMI may be on vacation, but I am still dancing. Still working on some ideas and other tidbits. I reached a point of frustration with a lot of different things and decided that now would be a great time to take some personal inventory about dance, performing, education and the like.
Much of this has had to be done by cutting away some of the drama.. the debates... and just general stuff that floats around the dance community and quite honestly... Smacks you square in the face when you aren't ready for it.
At this time, I'm no longer the only performer in the house anymore and in being the best wife I can be... I need to take the time to focus on the other performer and her goals and aspirations. Which also requires a little movement coaching and creative input from me.
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 2:03 PMI figured that was what you meant. It's good to be clear about what you need and want, you know?
I've developed a pretty good nose for drama - it comes from being on the outs with every girl in my high school (all ten or twelve of 'em!). So when I smell it... I turn around and go the other way!
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 4:02 PMI have always danced and wanted to be a dancer, despite not having any instruction (except for ballet when I was 6). I hear a song and if it moves me I want to jump up and dance to it. When at the gym I loved aerobics classes because it was music and movement. In 2005, I started on my bellydance journey and was hooked from the very first class. It’s ‘feel good about me time’ and I crave it. I believe that everyone should dance as their soul tells them. If they aren’t enjoying what they are doing, then try something different (that holds true for any aspect of life).
I don’t fit into any one genre, but enjoy all forms of bellydance. I like the emotive aspect of Gothic Bellydance (I have a penchant for corset anything), Cabaret is fun and joyful (shiny things), ATS/ITS with its purposeful movements and cohesive groups, and I adore fusion styles. I have many years ahead of me to dance and I want to experience so much of it. It’s already been an interesting journey and I’m looking forward to where it goes next.
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 4:30 PMI dance cause dancing makes me happy. Its like a minivacation from anything that stresses you out and you just shimmy and wiggle and slide your heart free. Its a stress reliver, it makes me happy, it excites me and calms me down at the same time. Good music moves me. Since I was a kid, I always wanted to be a dancer, I have always loved bellydance and when I fell into it, I fell in head first and never looked back. Good music makes me move. Makes me FEEL. Dancing lets me express those feelings so they dont get bottled up inside me and lets me show those feelings to other people. I dance more for me though than to "be an entertainer", though i do LOVE performing. -
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 10:53 AMI'm with you on this one Treja. I dance simply because it's fun and makes me happy. I love the music, I love the movements, I love the people I've met at Hot Pot and I love the feeling that all of those things combined create in me. Happy happy joy joy!!! -
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 11:14 AMeach time i read this thread i wanna dance. NOW. -
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 11:16 AMMe too, especially after Shelly's class last night... so fun!!!!
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 12:28 PMI dance when and because I am moved to. And no matter how much I may love dance, if the mood/ music/ atmosphere/ people around me aren't "right" in my head, I don't dance so much. It's all about me, and I gotta be happy with it. Doesn't mean I don't shake my ass every single day I'm alive, doesn't mean I don't boogie, doesn't mean I don't find myself doing bellydance moves every day I'm alive... just means that sometimes I'm not focused on learning it and performing it. I'm a musician first: there are always beats and sounds and timing in my head. Dance just comes in different forms at different times. I'll start up class again with Antara in a few weeks, and then I'll be dancing at least once a week in class and hopefully a little every other day of the week.
I dance the way I dance because it's me. I was a "Goth club" dancer since 1984. I was tickled when I came to bellydance in 1997 and discovered a lot of the moves were the same (hip movements, arm movements, the grace). I never danced as a kid, other than Girl Scout recitals, no lessons, I was a horsewoman (grew up on a ranch, showed horses) and a bike-rider and a musician, didn't play sports. The only dancing I did was club dancing, other than some medieval dances in the S.C.A. in the 90's, and then discovering bellydance in '97 (well, I'd known about it, but never did it until then). As you say, it has to come from the heart. I have to FEEL it, as I know everyone else does too. I'll shake my butt to just about anything, but I won't *really* get into the dance unless the music really moves me -- it's why I don't dance at clubs a lot of the time, I just don't dig the music unless it's good.
I'm very concerned with how my audience will perceive me, I admit that I carefully weigh all music, costume and movement choices. I'm not so great at just "presenting the vision in my head" unless I feel it will be well received, and I REALLY, honestly respect those dancers who don't give a damn, who just present their vision and people can like it or lump it. Also, when it comes to bellydance, I really need the motivation: weekly class, planned performances, etc. I want to dance because I'm going to perform, I frankly don't dance that much when I'm just doing it for "me" -- it's why I didn't dance from 1999 to 2006, I didn't have a troupe or classes. I'm hoping that has changed in me a little, and I'm looking forward to starting dance class again next month and maybe doing some performances as time goes on, without needing someone else there to do it with (though I'm looking forward to collaborating with people again, too!)
I love tribal-folkloric-fusion, 'cos that's what I learned. Isvari taught us folkloric style mixed with theatrical and tribal styles, so I always likeD the look of "ethnic-folkloric" type costumes (thinking Hahbi Ru and Folk Infusion) best, and when I discovered ATS in the form of Gypsy Caravan, back in 98, I loved that just as much (the costuming, turbans, cholis, etc). I also do like Goth Fusion/ GBD for the unlimited choices in music and costume and 'cos I'm Goth, I like "theatrical" bellydance that uses costumes and props and music to all tell a combined story (that's why I dig people like Tempest, Shawna Rai, Cera and the cool student choreographies that Amy has done with the Hot Pot students). I'm not real big on cabaret and never have been because I don't like the costuming, but I loves watching me a really good, skilled cab dancer, I just admire the hell out of their skill and personalities.
I just mostly prefer tribal-folkloric best, with Goth a close second. 'Cos, hey, I grew up Goth and I learned bellydance folkloric-style. :-D
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 12:07 PMI dance to stay in balance. Before I found Middle Eastern dance in 1999, I was struggling with myself and I was terribly out of balance. I worked in a man's world, in a "man's" job, and most of the times felt more masculine than woman. I lost who I truly was between that job and fitting an expected "image." Athena no longer rules my life, and Aphrodite, Persephone, Artemis, and Demeter now find places in my being.
I found myself again, and the many goddesses within me, the first night I went to a bellydance class and I have strived to stay in touch with all of various selfs ever since. Performing does that for me. Maybe it is the costume, or the audience, or the false eye lashes (which I just LOVE the look of), but it is definately due to the glitter.
I enjoy dancing to more traditional music, but I also love watching all forms of dance whether it is salsa, ballet, goth, or ATS. I could watch anyone dance any where.
I hope beyond all hope that your performance vacation is short lived, Fajera, because I do so enjoy seeing you dance.
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 3:24 PMYou mean there's an option NOT to dance??
