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Playing with fire?

topic posted Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:00 AM by  FireShaman
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I was wondering if anyone has experience with fire play? I recently started spending time with a new sub who is really into being burned. I spin poi, so I have some experience with how much human skin can take, but I was hoping to get some general pointers. What do you use as fuel? How do you ensure a subs safety? Any other tips. Thanks everyone.
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    Re: Playing with fire?

    Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:11 AM
    the common fuel seems to be rubbing alcohol, the 70% variety. generally, apply a thin swipe, light using an alcohol soaked torch, match, lighter, or something else. allow to burn for up to a second or so, so the only thing actually ignited is the alcohol, then extinguish by wiping with a hand or damp cloth. The ignition point can also be electrical: Violet wand, stun gun, etc. I've done it a few times, enough to do it unsupervised but not enough to feel like I have a lot to teach.

    Domina's taught classes on it many times, she's on these boards a fair bit. There's also a book recently out by robert Rubel, maybe try Amazon for it? The Citadel doesn't allow it, so you won't see folks doing it there, but you might find someone to walk you through it a time or two.
  • Re: Playing with fire?

    Thu, February 7, 2008 - 10:15 AM
    I do a fair amount of fire play, and the description Loki put forth is pretty much the basics.

    I use 70% ISO alcohol. I use a paint brush or shoe polish dauber to apply fuel to the bottom. For ignition I'll:
    - use a violet wand
    - use a torch (I also use torches on their own.)
    - ignite my hand and carry the fire to the fuel field.

    How long you let the flame stay is the real variable. Some can take the flame longer, I start conservative, then build up.

    Safety:
    - remember that fire is unpredictable. Keep a healthy respect for the flame.
    - keep an eye on where the fuel is. Fuel in navels, under breasts, down the side of the body can catch you by surprise and you may not see them in time to put them out.
    - watch for skin pinking up - you don't really want to burn the bottom too badly. Move the fire around so one specific area doesn't get too much.
    - make sure hair is pinned up, covered, etc.
    - be careful of lotions or oils prior to playing
    - I keep damp dishtowels (100 % cotton) close by.
    - polyester & many other man-made fibers melt, keep those away.
    - I use a large canvas drop cloth to protect bed, table, floor, whatever.

    There's more, a lot more, but I think this (and Loki's description) are a good start.

    I don't know anyone in Florida, but I'm sure you can find other information (google's your friend).

    • Re: Playing with fire?

      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 10:40 AM
      You forgot Hayden's rule 15: Don't look down when your tits are on fire.

      Domina
      • Re: Playing with fire?

        Thu, February 7, 2008 - 3:21 PM
        lol. I also have a contact for cheap and well made fire floggers. Anyone tried one of these?
        • Re: Playing with fire?

          Thu, February 7, 2008 - 3:28 PM
          Really? The one's I've seen on the internet pretty much suck. At least from my view. I'm working on a design and once I get it perfected, I'll be sellling them.

          Domina
          • Re: Playing with fire?

            Thu, February 7, 2008 - 3:59 PM
            If you would like to see one when I get it I would be happy to post. Its from a professional fire prop manufacturer that I'm commissioning to do it.
            • Re: Playing with fire?

              Thu, February 7, 2008 - 4:07 PM
              I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.

              Domina
              • Re: Playing with fire?

                Thu, February 7, 2008 - 10:09 PM
                can anyone tell me what material is used for the wick? i attempted to make my own with standard kevlar/fiberglass poi wicking and it didnt end so well...flaming hot shards of fiberglass in the skin are not fun.
                • Re: Playing with fire?

                  Fri, February 8, 2008 - 12:46 PM
                  Oh, no, no, no. Nothing synthetic. Fireplay requires pure cotton material for torches, etc. Synthetics melt and cause serious burns.

                  Domina
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                    Re: Playing with fire?

                    Fri, February 8, 2008 - 1:48 PM
                    Actually, a lot of fire performers use kevlar cord for fire whips. And I think Daddy Darin made one from kevlar as well.

                    I've personally not used kevlar so I can't speak from experience. My kit is all 100% cotton
                    • Re: Playing with fire?

                      Fri, February 8, 2008 - 2:24 PM
                      To my knowledge he has not made a whip.... not yet ;) At least not one that he can light on fire. He HAS made a fire flogger and I believe that was made out of some sort of cotton, but seeing as how I'm on the receiving end and not the making end, I'm not sure.
                    • Re: Playing with fire?

                      Fri, February 8, 2008 - 6:47 PM
                      Kevlar doesn't melt, I believe. But most synthetics do. I remember a woman lent me her girl as a demo for fireplay, then told me, but you have to leave her panties on. I had to decline the girl. Melted nylon causes nasty burns.

                      Domina
                      • Re: Playing with fire?

                        Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:07 AM
                        You can also buy or make (very easy to make) cotton batons for fireplay.

                        The safety rules have been pretty well laid out. One thing that has not been mentioned is salt. That is also a fire retardant which is non-toxic to the skin. Whatever you do, have a good way to put out any fire that you might start.

                        You can also use magician's flash paper, carefully. Just remember that burn scars can be permanent.

                        On a positive note, my own experience with bottoming for fireplay is that it induces an endorphin rush much faster than any other form of pain play.
                        • Re: Playing with fire?

                          Sun, February 10, 2008 - 11:26 AM
                          Flash paper & flash cotton are both fun, but I've noticed that (of late) may folk I play with are sensitive to either.

                          I test a bit of flash cotton/paper on the wrist first, to see how it reacts.

                          Bingo's right, it's pretty easy to make/buy cotton batons (torches) -
                • Re: Playing with fire?

                  Fri, February 8, 2008 - 5:29 PM
                  "can anyone tell me what material is used for the wick? i attempted to make my own with standard kevlar/fiberglass poi wicking and it didnt end so well...flaming hot shards of fiberglass in the skin are not fun."

                  How did you make your torches? There should not have been flaming hot shards of fiberglass coming off your tool. Go to Fire Arts Education and Equipment for some great resources on making your own fire tools.

                  When I do contact (touching skin) with fire torches and/or feeding my performance partner fire we use kevlar wicks and Ronsonol as a fuel. I would not use Ronsonol for the kind of fire play done in an SM context. My realm of experience is confined to dancing and performing with fire.

                  ~Sophia
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                    Re: Playing with fire?

                    Tue, February 12, 2008 - 10:04 PM
                    i just took strips of the wicking that i use to make my poi wicks tied them into a knot and attached them to a wooden dowel with some kevlar threading...it was basic, and in hindsight a bad idea but thats why i was on the recieving end the first time....
        • Re: Playing with fire?

          Thu, February 7, 2008 - 3:36 PM
          I use a fire flogger I made (from a Jeff Tucker design).

          It ain't pretty, but it's fun.
          • Re: Playing with fire?

            Thu, February 7, 2008 - 4:07 PM
            If you'd post a photo, I'd love to see it.

            Domina
            • Re: Playing with fire?

              Fri, February 8, 2008 - 1:46 PM
              Domina - I posted a photo.

              I used 1/2 inch wick (like what tiki torches use) for the falls. A D-ring and connector to an eybolt for the fire break and plain wooden handle.

              The ends of the wick are not exposed, that keeps the falls from buring up like wick normally does. There's a trick to handling it that I just can't describe.

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