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Just this year I have started an actual student troupe, after 5 years of teaching. We were up to 5 before losing 2 to job relocation and 1 for other reasons. The recent downsizing has given me the opportunity to re-evaluate my first try - so I'm wondering about a few things that maybe you more experienced troupe leaders can tell me..
Do you have written guidelines or rules for your troupe members or do you go with verbal expectations?
Do you have requirements for a certain number of additional workshops/learning opportunities outside of troupe?
Do you place any limits or restrictions on what and where your students can perform outside of troupe?
Do you expect your student troupe to be prepared to travel at times?
What do you consider reasonable costuming expenses?
What are the biggest lessons you've learned about leading a student troupe?
thanks for your wisdom :-)
Mahin
Do you have written guidelines or rules for your troupe members or do you go with verbal expectations?
Do you have requirements for a certain number of additional workshops/learning opportunities outside of troupe?
Do you place any limits or restrictions on what and where your students can perform outside of troupe?
Do you expect your student troupe to be prepared to travel at times?
What do you consider reasonable costuming expenses?
What are the biggest lessons you've learned about leading a student troupe?
thanks for your wisdom :-)
Mahin
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Re: How formal are your toupe guidelines?
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 10:43 AMHi :)
I have formed and worked with several different troupes over the years. The first thing I be came aware of is each troup has it's own personality depending on it's core members. I always sat down with the members and formed the operating organization (rules), yes it is a good idea to write the agreed on system down right then...type them up and make sure every member has a copy. I require a certian number of rehersal hours *together* and that the troup members come to an advanced class designed specificaly to them. If they go to a workshop I ask that all of them go to the same workshop if at all possible. With some troups we put together a rater convoluted system to enable all members to attend outside workshops. When they got back we rehearsed extra hours to absorbe the new ideas. The only restriction I placed on outside performances was that the first few times they went proffesional that they come in for a 5 hour rehersal during which we tweaked thier routine and they take someone with them to the venue. Yes, I expected them to be able to travel and most of them looked forward to travelling. If someone told me they could not travel I took that into consideration when making plans...with no recriminations ( *grin* as you may have noticed I'm not the best at spelling). We would decided ahead of time on each costume what we could afford...band together and go and buy supplies...lol FUN OUTINGS...and get together for sewing sessions to make said costumes.
Biggest lesson I learned was....Don't choreograph a routine requireing every single troupe member to work...because...the number of times every single member will be able to be there will be rare...just because life gets in the way. This does depend to some degree on the personality of the group. important..do not allow a pecking order to develop within your troup...important.
I don't run troups any more or teach beginners. I just work with advanced dancers so feel free to ignore anything I have said as it may not be current.
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Re: How formal are your toupe guidelines?
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:12 AMDitto on the do not choreograph for individuals....your routines need to be able to adjust to various numbers and people. That is soooo true and less frustrating for the troupe too. -
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Re: How formal are your toupe guidelines?
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 6:20 PMThat is a lesson I definitley learned this year! We started out our project with 5, lost one and luckily quickly replaced her. Then we lost another moving for a job, then one was in - then out - then in... What a headache! If nothing else, I realized it wasn't impossible to reformat a choreo for 5 down to 4 and 3 - we've even done it a a duet now!
Live and learn... but I do love interesting stage formations and cascading movement which requires stability in numbers.
Mahin
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Re: How formal are your toupe guidelines?
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:10 AMDo you have written guidelines or rules for your troupe members or do you go with verbal expectations?
I go with verbal expectations but have considered a formal contract. I did send out an expectation email with a number of shows that were happening over the summer (large paying shows so needed to make sure they did not see them as student shows).
Do you have requirements for a certain number of additional workshops/learning opportunities outside of troupe?
This is a great idea. I am lucky that I do not have to require it...most of my girls go to workshops offerred by others or by me....which is great. They are eager to learn. They also practice another night of the week on their own outside of class. We did have to discuss this as there was some issue with changes being made or someone stating 'no I think she wants this' when I was not there (I teach at another location the night they all get together). So we did set guidelines -- now they only practice what they know and if any questions come up...they are written and we discuss in class next time rather than them learning it wrong. If we do need additional practices for a show...then we just work it out.
Do you place any limits or restrictions on what and where your students can perform outside of troupe? No...I encourage them to perform as much as they wish.....I want to see them grow and do not want to hold them back in anyway. I have discussed professionalism so that if they do something without or with the troupe....they represent the dance, troupe and themselves in an ethical and professional way.
Do you expect your student troupe to be prepared to travel at times? I do not require it due to money but we did our first away gig this past fall and they loved it. So we may discuss more...
What do you consider reasonable costuming expenses? It varies. I do try to keep the cost down and we work with what we have for some shows. They do have two matching costumes (the beaded sets do not match but skirt and accessories do). In general...I just feel they are students and pay to learn. I do not want to force them to spend past what they are able to......they do have to have their own swords, veils, zills and such if they want to do those routines. Since they are not making a lot of money...then I just do not see it is fair to make them spend too much especially with the economy lately. I have seen some troupes require a couple of outfits....I think that is great if the girls can afford it and if it looks good on all body types but that is also a factor there. Then if you require them to buy ....do you allow them to wear it for solos and such or only troupe stuff. I am just not comfortable with dictating that much to them.
What are the biggest lessons you've learned about leading a student troupe?
The practices without me - ensuring they understand to not waste their time or get frustrated with questions by trying to figure them out when I am not around. I wish I could be there the night they can all get together outside of class but I teach so cannot. So we just have the agreement to put it on hold for the following class or even call me between my classes. Now they set at the end of class what they will practice ...so that they know they have down what to practice and have questions answered.
I know that contracts and uniforms do work for some troupes but I discussed with my girls and could see in their faces that it would not work for them. They like the feeling that it is not like work and they verbally agreed to all. I think one thing I have seen is to access what you want first...do you as a teacher want a formal troupe with a contract and rules or verbal rules and more open forum style troupe. My troupe is more open forum - they get to add creative ideas, costume, which shows, and more...it is my troupe but they have a voice and I personally feel better this way. They do know that I am the teacher and I will make the final decision but our style is more of a 'lets vote'.
I think this comes from my personal style but also the girls that have formed the group .... they respect my opinion but have told me how much it means to them how I support them and just not sure that this set of ladies would feel the same way if a written contract was handed to them and things were so formal.
I do feel the formal contract woudl be needed for some troupes....it more so depends on the goal I think (both the teacher and student goals).
Just one more note...my student troupe was a class that just was always wanting to perform and they became very close. So we created the troupe out of the class participation. When we did this...we sent guidelines to all and one chose that it was too much and disappeared (which is understandable). I think if I had set out to form a troupe (not just kind of happened over time) then I would be more formal.....we will see if it continues to work as well as it has over the past year but it is working now and we having a blast so not going to change it now.
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Re: How formal are your toupe guidelines?
Wed, November 4, 2009 - 8:01 PMWe've had to make our guidelines pretty formal as the group grew and as our venue became a little higher end. We require members to sign upon entering.
1.) We've had to make written guidelines for public behaviour. We've had some kooky experiences that made this move a must. Mostly things that seem common sense like not getting tanked at family events. No heavy making out w/ S.O.'s in front of little kiddies at the fairs, etc. lol!
2.) We require the student troupe take continuing int/adv classes but do not make any requirements about workshops. They tend to be expensive and ours is a hobby group w/ no monetary compensation so we have to minimalize what financial requirements we can ask of members.
3.) We don't place any limits on where members can perform outside the troupe but it is requested that members not do our material or use our name w/out talking w/ the troupe director for approval.
4.) We keep our venues close to home so don't have much cause to travel. Again, I think this will depend on monetary comp. If the troupe gets paid, then yeah, I could see where travel requirements could be required.
5.) We've only started doing real troupe costuming in the last 3 years but boy does it make a difference on our overall appearance so we've added a stipulation that a troupe requirement is approx. 1-2 troupe costumes a year. We've managed to keep the prices under $300. One thing we've found is that trying to get the whole group involved in picking the costume has caused some of the hugest e-mail wars! We elected a "costume mistress" to take on the responsibility of finding the right look, cheapest place to get the costume, measuring, & ordering (after final approval from Director). She's a brave lass for taking this crazy task on but it has really been a boon to the professional appearance of our troupe. We're about to trot our new costume next weekend and all I have to say is YEEEEHAAAAWWW! It is so fine! -
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Re: How formal are your toupe guidelines?
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 8:52 AMWe are working to re-start the performance troupe at the studio where I teach.
We have elected to go with formal written contracts (partly because we have some people who will want to be invited to the troupe but who will not want to put in the time commitment that it will require. We don't want to alienate them because they are valuable members of our studio, but we do want people to understand what we're doing).
We're still finishing up all of the contractual responsibilities (they're really not too onerous, but they are things such as "If you miss a class, it is up to you to learn what you missed...on your own time." We've had issues in the past with having to re-teach the first 30 seconds of a routine for 5 weeks in a row because people kept missing and wanting to get caught up. And you can't progress that way).
We're also doing troupe dues in the following way (we are currently renting space from a yoga studio at a $15 per hour rate):
4-wk months: $40
5-wk months: $45
The break-down of that is as follows (and assumes for now a 6 person troupe):
$5 per week towards studio rent
$10 per month towards savings for our own studio
$10 per month towards costuming
The costuming fund will be kept track of so that when we need costumes or costuming supplies, each person will have the amount that they put into the fund to spend on costuming.
If we go 3 months and realize that we need a specific skirt that costs $40, then each troupe member will have $30 from the costuming fund to spend on the skirt and will only need to spend $10 of money that they hadn't already allocated. It's way easier to come up with $10 than $40.
If a person leaves the troupe and still has money in the costuming fund, then that money will be refunded to them. So, it's really more like a savings account. We may even open a savings account so that our little bit of money can gain little bits of interest until we need it.
But anyway, the costume account is my favorite part of the whole troupe formalization. All my girls seemed to really like that idea. :-)
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