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What are proper protocols when moving to a new area and beginning to teach/perform there? Should I go and introduce myself to all the teachers in the area?
I'm just wondering...I grew up in the state I am now in, and began my belly dance training here. I lived in a rural area, so there were very few instructors and the few that were wouldn't really teach past beginners. They told me I was at intermediate but they didn't have that class level. SO...I learned what I could from those instructors, by taking workshops with larger names (that I would travel to) and using videos when I had no other choice. Then I moved out of state. In my new state I studied it extensively, under great teachers, on a regular basis and performed there professionally. Now this past summer I have moved back to my original "home" state, and really would like to start up a large dance community here. I am looking into teaching venues, and have started a performing company with a former dance friend (who now also teaches). My problem here is that this one instructor I took lessons from for a bit might be affronted. My friend who teaches taught a course locally when on break from college and this teacher apparently (according to the studio's owner) called up pissed and demanded to know her qualifications, etc because she "was a professional". When the owner told said teacher you could contact her (my friend) herself and speak with her about it, she hung up! And this teacher calls herself professional? Other instances (I won't go into detail) have me question her so called "professionalism". I guess what I'm asking is this: Should I contact specifically her and introduce myself (perhaps to keep from being ambushed later, lol), even though I used to study from her and she only thinks of me as a "young" student. I have studied , worked as a professional, and taken this dance form very seriously since she last had me in her class. I seriously don't want to start any problems. I love this art form and would like to start a community here in this area. I would love if other local instructors are involved and would encourage my own students to explore everything and other teaching styles as well (I want to foster a community).
Now, this teacher did take time after class to help me out, and that was kind of her. I also could see her point of view and I suppose it could look like a young former student took a few classes then just wanted to call herself a teacher. I guess I might be threatening to her, since she seems to have an issue with "competition". She also is the really only "big" teacher in my area, has many years experience on me, and I respect her for that. While I don't agree with the way she handles some things, etc I really don't want to make enemies.
What is the best way for me to handle this? Do I owe her a re-introduction/ explanation of my qualifications?
I was considering introducing myself to the 2-3 others in this state, because I would really love to have regular ME events etc and collaborate with them. I'm just not sure how to handle this one.
What should I do? Also, are there any other "etiquette" things I might be overlooking (of course I would never undercut, steal anyone students, etc- in fact I would advertise for them! lol if I think they are a good teacher and professional themselves).
Thank you!
Kristen
I'm just wondering...I grew up in the state I am now in, and began my belly dance training here. I lived in a rural area, so there were very few instructors and the few that were wouldn't really teach past beginners. They told me I was at intermediate but they didn't have that class level. SO...I learned what I could from those instructors, by taking workshops with larger names (that I would travel to) and using videos when I had no other choice. Then I moved out of state. In my new state I studied it extensively, under great teachers, on a regular basis and performed there professionally. Now this past summer I have moved back to my original "home" state, and really would like to start up a large dance community here. I am looking into teaching venues, and have started a performing company with a former dance friend (who now also teaches). My problem here is that this one instructor I took lessons from for a bit might be affronted. My friend who teaches taught a course locally when on break from college and this teacher apparently (according to the studio's owner) called up pissed and demanded to know her qualifications, etc because she "was a professional". When the owner told said teacher you could contact her (my friend) herself and speak with her about it, she hung up! And this teacher calls herself professional? Other instances (I won't go into detail) have me question her so called "professionalism". I guess what I'm asking is this: Should I contact specifically her and introduce myself (perhaps to keep from being ambushed later, lol), even though I used to study from her and she only thinks of me as a "young" student. I have studied , worked as a professional, and taken this dance form very seriously since she last had me in her class. I seriously don't want to start any problems. I love this art form and would like to start a community here in this area. I would love if other local instructors are involved and would encourage my own students to explore everything and other teaching styles as well (I want to foster a community).
Now, this teacher did take time after class to help me out, and that was kind of her. I also could see her point of view and I suppose it could look like a young former student took a few classes then just wanted to call herself a teacher. I guess I might be threatening to her, since she seems to have an issue with "competition". She also is the really only "big" teacher in my area, has many years experience on me, and I respect her for that. While I don't agree with the way she handles some things, etc I really don't want to make enemies.
What is the best way for me to handle this? Do I owe her a re-introduction/ explanation of my qualifications?
I was considering introducing myself to the 2-3 others in this state, because I would really love to have regular ME events etc and collaborate with them. I'm just not sure how to handle this one.
What should I do? Also, are there any other "etiquette" things I might be overlooking (of course I would never undercut, steal anyone students, etc- in fact I would advertise for them! lol if I think they are a good teacher and professional themselves).
Thank you!
Kristen
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Re: Moved (back) to area...ethics?
Fri, March 5, 2010 - 7:21 AMHow big of an area are you dealing with? A large city? A mid-sized city? A town?
Are you planning on teaching classes across town from the other teacher? Or right in the same neighborhood?
Are you offering the same style as the other teacher, or is it a different spin (tribal vs. cabaret vs. folkloric? Or Turkish vs. Egyptian? or some other difference?)
If you're essentially offering the same service as her (for instance, if you're both offering Egyptian cabaret style) and if you're both going to be within a couple of miles of each other, I say that it wouldn't hurt to let her know that you plan to be teaching in the area and give her a run-down of your ethics (that you will be attempting to reach a different student base and not steal hers, that you do not plan to undercut, etc).
I would make sure not to phrase it as if you are looking for her permission, but more that you are communicating with her (professional to professional) to let her know that you think that there is plenty of student-base to go around. I personally wouldn't think that you owe her an explanation of your credentials. That smacks too much like an interview. And you don't need her permission to set up shop.
The Mom-n-Pop restaurant that crops up in a town doesn't need to go to McDonald's to present their credentials. In the US, there is and always should be the possibility of competition. That's part of capitalism.
Now, if you are offering something different (say you've gotten into ATS or ITS and she's only doing American Cabaret), then it wouldn't hurt to get with her and explain that you'll be offering somehting different. And then you can propose a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" situation in which you can tell her that as you get students, if you have any who would rather learn cabaret (or learn cabaret in addition to tribal) that you'll feed them her way. In return, if she has any students who express an interest in tribal style that she will recommend your studio to them.
If she's not amenable to that, then that's ok.
It's tough, esp. when you're used to being the only game in town to get used to the idea of competition.
In the area where I live (large city with a large surrounding suburb area), there are quite a few bellydance studios in the area. Most are in town or west of town. For the most part, my studiio is southeast of town and draws from the people southeast of town.
We also have tried to get the restaurants in the area to bring us in as dancers (because within 10 miles of our studio, there are at least 8 Middle Eastern or Greek restaurants. Most of the restaurants are not interested in actually paying dancers...so we're not terribly interested in dancing there. We do occasional free student shows to allow our students some exposure and some practice dancing in public at a couple of the restaurants...but not often.
Anyway, since we've mostly had a monopoly on our side of town, it took me by surprise when I found out that some of the in town dancers were coming down and getting dance gigs at some of the restaurants near us and that a couple of the in town dancers were also teaching classes in the same area as us.
At first, it bothered me...but then I reminded myself that there is no rule that we need to be the only game in our section of town. It's a tough thing to remember...and I think that had any of them just dropped us an email letting us know that they would be in the area, that I would have appreciated it.
I know this is long-winded, but here's the short of it:
If you want to contact her and let her know what you plan, go for it. Don't let it turn into an interview or a request for permission. You don't work for her.
If you don't want to contact her, you really don't have to. It's nice to make the contact, but especially if you're trying to pull from a different student base, it's not required. -
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Re: Moved (back) to area...ethics?
Fri, March 5, 2010 - 10:35 AMOh...that's the thing. It's really just a bunch of small towns around here, with maybe 2 very small cities. I'm beginning to look at venues to teach, and just found one today (that would be perfect...) right across (like a street over) from where she teaches one night (she also teaches in the other city). Oy. She used to teach elsewhere when I took her class, so I just found that out also. It's hard to find venues around here, and I really don't want to travel more than 45 minutes away. Either way, unless I travel over an hour away, I'm in her territory. There is another small town over that I'll check out which wouldn't feel as bad (like I'm on the same street- darn it and that venue looks really nice! )
It would probably be the same style too. Right now she teaches Egyptian Cabaret. I dance more of a fusion of Turkish/Egyptian and Tribal styles mixed with some western influences (I guess "American" Cabaret, lol). I want to start with basic Egyptian cabaret for foundation and to teach the traditional dance (and as they advance introducing them to some Turkish, Folkloric, etc) but would also love to have an ATS/tribal fusion performing troupe and classes. I was going to start with cabaret and grow from there. So it would essentially be the same, until we grew as a company. I also want to expand to offer separate "world" dance such as African, flamenco, Rom, etc etc as I already have a performing company that does this and have found lots of interest in our fusion. So over time it would (hopefully) grow as a world dance/culture center. But for right now it might look like I'm doing the same thing.
Oy.
We have no (real) Middle Eastern restaurants in this state! As far as I know of at least. The other teacher (and other dancers I know of) travel to MA to perform in their restaurants, and to be a part of the larger (Boston) community there.
I'm not interested in performing in that venue really. I'd rather stage shows/productions, or do (paying) festivals/faires, Concerts with musicians, etc. (We travel a LOT). Over time I'd like to make my own ops here. But it will be hard as there has been no community here, no real exposure to what real belly dancers are, so it will be tough to keep/get interest, but I've got a list of people who've contacted me already.
I think essentially our student base would be the same. :0( One difference is that she teaches differently- more like an exercise class than an active "learn the dance". I want to have a set syllabus and structure it more like a ballet (or other western dance form) class, that actually teaches zilling, veil and moving up from the basics. I'd like to have a community hafla perhaps every month or so to introduce students to the actual live music/drums, practice their moves and performing, or just have a fun time and make that a regular thing.
I guess it wouldn't hurt to contact her. Thanks for the tip- I probably would have explained my credentials and made it look more like she's the upper hand. I tend to do that a lot, and don't give myself enough credit. That's one business aspect I need to work on.
I feel bad (especially if it's across the street- but that's such a nice venue that just opened) but I really love this art form and want to teach it/perform it as well.
I am going to contact the few others I've found for sure, but just didn't know what to do about this particular one.
Thanks,
Kristen -
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Re: Moved (back) to area...ethics?
Fri, March 5, 2010 - 11:35 AMQuote: One difference is that she teaches differently- more like an exercise class than an active "learn the dance". I want to have a set syllabus and structure it more like a ballet (or other western dance form) class, that actually teaches zilling, veil and moving up from the basics.
These statements tell me that you actually are looking at a different student base. There may be some crossover, but if you are trying to run it with more focus on the form of the dance and the progression to performance, then I would consider that to be vastly different than the aerobics/bellydance for exercise focus.
That one venue sounds like it may be too close. :-( But considering how you said that the towns are set up, you may still only find a place that's a mile or two away from a place that she teaches. That can be ok.
Another great person to ask might be Julie over at the Bellydance Business Academy: www.bellydancebusinessacademy.com/
She's up in Maine and may have some good insight into the New England area culture and specifics. :-D Her primary focus is marketing (and check out her Essential Marketing Toolkit for Bellydance Businesses (Vol I) if you need any help on setting up a website and how to pull the people you want to get to your site), but she may have other insights as well. -
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Re: Moved (back) to area...ethics?
Sat, March 6, 2010 - 6:36 AMOk. Thank you so much for the help!
I'm trying to look into other venues (that won't be right across the street!). -
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Re: Moved (back) to area...ethics?
Sun, March 14, 2010 - 1:13 PMA belly dance for fitness class is very different from a belly dance technique class. This is good that you are teaching something different.
If I were you I would most definitely try to find a different studio. If that simply is not possible I'd be sure to set up classes on a different day and at different times, both out of courtesy to her as well as for convenience of students.
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