Hip locks down

topic posted Thu, February 1, 2007 - 9:54 AM by  Renate
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I am working on downs and I just can't seem to get it. My instructer says to push hip to the right then squeeze the left glute which locks the right hip down. I can do it somewhat when I am standing still, but when I try walking with it I get confused and it turns into regular hip hits. There is something just not right the way I am doing it. Can anyone help explain this movement better .
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  • Re: Hip locks down

    Thu, February 1, 2007 - 10:03 AM
    If I understand you correctly, this movement is the opposite of what I know as a "piston hip," where you are locking the hips UP on each side.

    With hip locks down, you release your right knee so that your right hip is going down (hence your left knee is straightening slightly and your left hip is going up, but you're focusing your attention on the right) and you lock the glute on the opposite side to give it a sharp lock down.

    It's actually the SAME movement physiologically as if you were sending your left hip up, BUT you are emphasizing the hip going downward. Concentrate on making the knee release and the glute lock simultaneous and equally sharp, and it will help put the focus where you want it.
  • Re: Hip locks down

    Thu, February 1, 2007 - 12:51 PM
    Another thing that might help a bit is to think of where the movement goes. I'll try (eep) to explain without being there to demo (sigh! darn cyberspace) - when you do hip hits (or what others may call a "bump") the energy of the movement definitely goes "out". This "out" can be to the side, forward, or back, but your hip definitely travels away from your body. If you do a hip hit (right now! as you read this!) you'll notice that the weight goes onto the leg that's hitting the hip out. There's a definite weight shift and, in my case when I do them, so much so that I wind up with all the weight on my foot and can easily left the non-hitting leg. You're literally transfering the weight onto the leg/side that's hitting out, causing the whole movement to move out and away from the body.

    The hip lock down is a bit different. This movement is not occurring out away from the body but is, rather, more to keep it "underneath" you. So the goal is to keep the weight fairly centered so that the movement does not get away from you. You'll find that, when you do this properly, the weight is not swinging out to one side and the shift in weight is much more subtle. You'll feel weight going onto the foot/leg that's dropping down, but you'll notice that, in general, the weight stays firmly centered in your feet (rather than shifting substantially to one side).

    Think of having a tight glass tube around your body. Your hip hit would travel out burst out through the tube (or bump up against the wall of it). But, a hip lock down or a lift would occur just inside the tube's walls. This visualization might help you get the image of where the hip goes, if the technicality of "do X with the glute" doesn't work for ya ;) Practice doing it slowly, first - sometimes trying to add in the glute right off the back is difficult if the glute control is not yet developed. Instead, work on imagining that you're driving the hip bones DOWN into the floor.

    Also, try to do it very slowly and really feel the way the hip moves downward. Watch your posture - be sure to keep the knees spongey and the pelvis tilted. Be kind to yourself - don't expect a grand movement if you're just learning this and have not yet developed a high degree of muscle movement (it will come, I promise!). Practice slow and steady, get the feel of the movement into your muscle memory, and then add the sharpness of the lock.
    • Re: Hip locks down

      Thu, February 1, 2007 - 4:46 PM
      Misha, that was really well written. :-) I didn't have any trouble understanding hip locks on the down myself, but I'm totally going to use your imagery to help my students down the road...
      (and I'll credit you, too!)
      :-)
      • Re: Hip locks down

        Thu, February 1, 2007 - 7:33 PM
        aww thanks ;)

        i find that i have these incredible moments during class, when a student is having particular difficulty with a move, and it just sort of hits me all of a sudden - it happens in my day teaching job, too.

        i just love to teach, i guess ::blush::
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          Re: Hip locks down

          Tue, February 13, 2007 - 8:46 AM
          I had the hardest time doing hip downs, I could not get it for the life of me! I would be able to do it once or twice consecutively, then I'd lose it. It took me some practice, then one day it just hit me! I got it, and I was doing it no problem...and you could tell the difference in the moves. Now whenever we do hip bump drills in class I make sure to add in a few hip downs just to make sure I dont lose the groove.
    • Re: Hip locks down

      Fri, February 2, 2007 - 7:10 AM
      Wow! Thanks Misha for that wonderful description of the movement. I have been practicing and it's much more comfortable, and I feel the hips going down now. I was shifting my weight to much to one side and made the movement really wierd. I am going to add the glutes to make it more defined and see how that goes. As far as walking with it, I think I need more practice standing still...LOL....that's going to be tricky. Thank you again for your help.
      • Re: Hip locks down

        Sun, February 11, 2007 - 9:42 AM
        My pleasure. And, I confess, it was totally one of those "ah ha!" moments that came to me in class when I was explaining it to my students. So I'm really happy I can pass it on even further!

        On the walking: are you trying to walk flat-footed, or on the balls of your feet (releve - pardon my spellin')? If you're trying to do it flat-footed, this may cause a bit of a problem. It's not that you CAN'T or SHOULDN'T do it this way, it's just sometimes a bit easier if you're up on the toes a bit.
        Tamra Henna's suggestion will work really well if you're walking flat footed. If you're trying this completely on releve (ie the heels never touch the floor) it will be even easier.

        There are several different exercises you can do to get better with travelling steps. If it's hard to walk, it may be that you need to strengthen your calves/feet/ankles.
  • Re: Hip locks down

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 6:38 AM
    Oh, and...

    When you're walking with the hip drops, you must remember to raise the hip slightly as you lift your foot to step. You step down and send the hip down at the same time. If you don't raise the hip slightly on the "and" count, it's more difficult to drop while walking.
    • Re: Hip locks down

      Mon, February 12, 2007 - 5:29 AM
      Are you trying to do weighted hip locks down or non-weighted hip locks down while travelling?
      • Re: Hip locks down

        Mon, February 12, 2007 - 2:08 PM
        What is the difference between weighted and non-weighted??? Ohhh, Misha I have been walking flat footed and it's seemed to be impossible. That makes a huge difference when you are up on the toes a bit. I pick up on moves very easily and I knew I must have just been doing it wrong. Thanks!
        • Re: Hip locks down

          Mon, February 12, 2007 - 3:07 PM
          Hey! Flat-footed isn't "wrong," silly! ;) Just a different (and for some folks) harder way to do it. I'm a firm believer that some people are blessed with natural balance and LOVE to be on their toes. Others, like myself, like to have our feet firmly planted (see my post re: releve lol). So the hip locks on the down flat footed are a bit easier for me. Doesn't make it wrong or right, just depends on what style and "look" you're going for (or, alternately, what the choreography or combo calls for!).
          • Re: Hip locks down

            Tue, February 13, 2007 - 4:28 PM
            Are these singles or doubles?

            I get all pigeon-toed trying to travel with double downs (or heck, even singles!). Guess I need to keep practicing!
            • Re: Hip locks down

              Tue, February 13, 2007 - 8:32 PM
              "What is the difference between weighted and non-weighted???"
              A weighted hip lock down is when you are locking the hip down on the leg on which you are supporting your weight. So if you are stepping with your right foot you are locking your right hip down. These are what Suheir Zaki was famous for doing really crisp and sharp.

              An unweighted hip lock down is where the hip that you are NOT supporting your weight is going down. So if you are stepping on your LEFT foot your RIGHT hip is locking down. Care has to be taken for it to not look like a right hip up.
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    Re: Hip locks down

    Wed, February 14, 2007 - 9:20 AM
    Okay, it's possible this has already been answered and I missed it in re-reading this thread. If so, my apologies for asking the same question. Please just direct me to the appropriate part of the thread if this is the case. If not, please answer...

    What is the difference between a hip down and a hip lock down?

    For me, a hip down is just as (shoot, forgot the name) the really nice lady described it in the beginning part of this thread. Pushing the hip down, rather than out to the side (hip bump). Where does the lock part come in? Is that the glute squeeze on the opposite side?
    • Re: Hip locks down

      Wed, February 14, 2007 - 2:14 PM
      For me (and I preface it with that, cause for other folks it might be different ;) ), yes, the "lock" would be different than just a regular drop or down. A lock is sharp and percussive. A regular down can be quite a "soft" move, actually. It might not have that percussiveness to it. In this case, the lock for the down could indeed come from squeezing the glute on the opposite side.
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        Re: Hip locks down

        Wed, February 14, 2007 - 2:15 PM
        Thanks, Misha!

        Are there other factors affecting the "drop" to make it sharper?
        • Re: Hip locks down

          Wed, February 14, 2007 - 6:05 PM
          Well, yes and no. What it boils down to, from what I learned, is yes there are different things that can affect it, but some of those are not the gentlest of movements for your body. For instance, you can do a very sharp lock down and engage your knee and leg/torso muscles (think using the thigh muscles, abs, obliques, etc). on the same leg that is executing the down. But you can run the risk of REALLY injurring yourself if you aren't careful with that knee engagement. Also, there's a more "skeletal" way of doing it by using the foot to help out. If you had all of your weight on your L foot, and the R foot is on point next to it, you can lift and drop your hip by really working from the foot up. This is something I've seen beginner dancers do a lot - sometimes they think that the hip lift or drop is spurred by the lifting or dropping of the foot, rather than just keeping the foot still and using the muscles to drive the movement. My first teacher actually taught it this way - that to drop, you would lift up your foot a little and then push it down. Learning it this way, I REALLY had to work to do a hip drop (or lock down) flat footed!

          Note, this is for drops, not necessarily a reverse piston (so here I'm referring to just dropping one hip down, not going R down - L down etc and alternating)
  • Re: Hip locks down

    Wed, February 14, 2007 - 7:06 PM
    Well here we go with more confusion. I was taught that hip lock is like a pelvic tilt. locking the hips forward with a contraction in the lower back and locking it back by contracting in the front. Wish we had a standard language.

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