Zagareet (sp?) drills ;-)

topic posted Wed, August 16, 2006 - 11:40 AM by  offlineEtana
Ok - ladies...as much as my heart can do this, it does *not* translate into the actual sound.

So, from step one - how is this done??

{{{you might help me spell it right, too ;-) }}}
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Etana
Atlanta
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    Wed, August 16, 2006 - 11:54 AM
    What I learned was you say "la la la la la......" as high pitched as you can, over time it develops in to "leh leh leh leh..." which is the sound I usually make. However it's a regional sound, there for some people would say it's more of a "lo lo lo lo....." sound. The recordings of Egyptian wedding parties sound mor like "lee lee lee....." i think. I hope that helps. You really need to let go of any inhibitions to try it. You want it high and loud!
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    Wed, August 16, 2006 - 12:09 PM
    Think Zena or channel her anyway. ^_^ For the easier version you just do the "la, la, la..." sound like nina said to do. For a harder one to try, bare with me on describing it, you take your tongue and toss it right and left really fast at your lips. Which I think that's how you get the different sounds from the different regions. Remember to cover your mouth though. Some say its for keeping demons out. But really thinking about how disturbing zagareets look, I'd say to cover up too. ^_^ Good Luck!
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    Wed, August 16, 2006 - 1:34 PM
    My version:
    1. Make sure your neighbours are away from home for the weekend
    2. Take a good deep breath
    3. Shrieking from the back of the throat, say lalalalalalalala (the tongue is just behind your front teeth, and waggling up and down- a proper Egyptian zaghareet has the tongue waggling from side to side, but I've never got the hang of that, and this makes the same basic noise)
    4. When you are running out of breath, or when your tongue is giving up through natural confusion, finish the zaghareet with a long eeeeeeeee, which you allow to die down.
    5. If you want to do the thing properly, hold your hand to the upper lip, palm down, (your thumb is down towards your jawbone) while you are doing it, so that you don't let the demons in. (This also handily masks the fact that you are doing the tongue-up-and-down version!)

    The shrieking is quite important to give it the true ululating sound.

    When I was new to zaghareeting, I would practise it driving along motorways (that's freeways in American) when I was alone in my car, as I could be sure it wouldn't bother anybody else.
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      Wed, August 16, 2006 - 1:55 PM
      Hi, ladies! I'm fairly new to this tribe, but wanted to add my comments to Etana. First, don't get discouraged! It does take practice & time, but once you have it, it only improves. All the responses are really good, but I learned pretty much the way Beatrice suggests in her reply. Once you have gotten comfortable doing a zaghareet, you can try the arabic way with the tongue going in a left to right rhythm really fast. The first time I saw this was in an old arabic dance video & it looked really strange, because the dancer didn't cover her mouth! Good luck!
      ~Nefertiri
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        Thu, August 17, 2006 - 12:30 AM
        .."you can try the arabic way with the tongue going in a left to right rhythm really fast. The first time I saw this was in an old arabic dance video & it looked really strange, because the dancer didn't cover her mouth!"...

        I have seen a teacher in town doing this zaghareet in a performance once! I thought it looked absolutely awful, seeing her tongue moving like that! And she always turned to the audience, and leaned slightly forward like "look at me" when she did it. It was neither graceful nor elegant, in my opinion.
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    Wed, August 16, 2006 - 5:54 PM
    ""You really need to let go of any inhibitions to try it. You want it high and loud!""

    Well, that pretty much explains why my feeble attempts don't work - I'm holding in the voice - ok, so tomorrow morning, on the way to work, I'm gonna' start practicing.

    It's got to be the one thing in dancing for 2 1/2 years that I really, really want to learn and can't seem to get the hang of .

    Thanks ladies.................

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      Fri, August 18, 2006 - 8:31 AM
      Ooooooooooooooh, Practicing in the car. Now why didn't I think of that. I dance and drive all the time. (Unless your a traffic cop, then I don't. Two hand on the wheel all the time.)
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        Fri, August 18, 2006 - 9:19 AM
        good advice ladies
        enjoyed reading this post.
        even as a male i have learnt how to do the Zalghouta in the typical arabic method.
        before you start just screaming synaptic LALALA's out of nowhere, train your brain to know what it is doing.
        start off by making the highest pitch sound that your throat will let you without strraining your self. (you will be shocked how loud it can be)
        while doing that you can begin to add the tongue ulidations.
        when arabs (prominately lebanese, syrian, jordanian, etc...) Zalghet, all that is said in a very high pitched voise is "weleleleleiiiiish"

        start of by saying 'WELE' in the high pitch sound that you have practiced then continue by adding your other 'lele's' after it. (normally about 15 'le's') conclude with a very extended 'iiiiiiish' at the end of it.
        do whatever tongue positions make you comfortable. try both ulidating with tongue flapping on the roof of your mouth, just behind your teeth. OR by flapping it on the tip of your first two teeth. (even tho it is meant to be done behind the teeth, i find it more comfortable to do it on the tip of my teeth.)

        and as for the covering of the hand. it is highly advised. superstitious reasons asside, it is culturally inaapropriate for a woman to express in public how fast her tongue can move... lol weird ay? lol but its just a rule. Also for your own purpose, i have noticed that when you place your hand over your mouth (as if you were wiping tour nose with your hand) the echo is fantastic, and it subtely excites you to Zalghet louder.!
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          Fri, August 18, 2006 - 9:28 AM
          Jamil, excellent advice. I really appreciate your explanation as well as the others posted. I would never try one without covering my mouth! Superstitions aside as you say, I just think it would be bad manners to do that without covering one's mouth!
          ~Nefertiri
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    Fri, August 18, 2006 - 11:59 AM
    There have been so many great explanations of HOW to do it, so I'll add a bit of cultural perspective...

    The singular form of this word is "zagharoot". In other words, if you do only one, it's a zagharoot. But the plural is "zaghareet", so if you do a whole bunch that's the word to use.

    Among Arabs, it's typically done as a noise of happiness, NOT as applause for a dancer. Let's say your best dance buddy came shrieking with happiness to you to tell you she'd just secured a high-paying prestigious dance gig. It would be appropriate in Arab culture to do a zagharoot in response, just as it would be appropriate in our culture to say, "That's wonderful!" or "Fan-freakin'-tastic!" or "Yippee!" or "Woo-hoo!"

    When I've been at belly dance shows where the audience was mostly Arabic, they didn't do zaghareet for the dancer. This whole idea of using zaghareet as a form of applause seems to come from us American belly dancers. For that reason, I cringe when a belly dance show organizer tries to teach the audience zaghareet as a form of showing appreciation. It shows a misunderstanding of the sound and the culture it comes from. When you get a whole audience full of dancers zaghareeting for the performer, it's very un-Arab.

    Don't get me wrong, occasionally an Arab WILL do a zagharoot for a dancer. Often, it's because one of the songs in her set is a song the Arab in question just loves, and s/he's so excited to hear it that there is an uncontrollable urge to zagharoot. Or maybe something the dancer does is particularly moving, or reminding of home, or exciting, that the person just can't control him/herself and cuts loose with a good zagharoot to show excitement.

    I saw a woman at a wedding in Egypt use the wagging of the tongue from side to side style of zagharoot to express her joy at a wedding. I agree with everyone who thinks it looks odd!
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      Fri, August 18, 2006 - 12:22 PM
      Shira - so I guess if I never get the hang of this, then I could always say {with tongue in cheek, arched eyebrow and a sneaky grin} that "I prefer to clap when I applaud a dancer" :D :D :D


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      Mon, August 21, 2006 - 4:13 AM
      It seems we overdo the zaghareet, as Americans tend to overdo lots of things. It really loses it's effect when everyone in the audience is doing it.

      To me it's similar to the hissing our audiences make when a dancer is doing slow, snakey moves. Hissing is not a sound of approval, however it's so prevalent it's become ingrained in the American audience and dancers. Arabs in an audience look very strangely at each other when they hear Americans hissing.....it sounds like the audience has sprung a leak.....

      Amina in Mpls.
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        Sun, June 1, 2008 - 10:12 PM
        OMG! I've never heard an audience hiss for a snake-like movement! Or for anything else! How HORRIBLE!!!!! I would think that was
        rude! If I hadn't read this post and it had happened to me, I might have been frightened off the stage!
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      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:35 AM
      re:Shira said: Hia, I do have to agree that most of the audience "appreciation" is a tad overdone.I guess it is because we are so exhuberant .I think it is best if everyone is just sort of silent during.Then let loose afterwards.I have seen a decline in after dance applause and such.I think it is because you wear it out during??I really dislke the clapping.It makes me lose track of the beat sometimes and I am dancing to clap-clap-clap-clap..Now, I am not ungrateful.Just have ADD..:-))That all said, Thanks for the audio Shira, you never fail to deliver.Also, in different regions I have heard it done differently.My friend from Morrocco ends his with a sound different from my Egyptian friend who makes a different sound from my Saudi friend.I also noticed, if you will pardon me, that it is used in two other societies as well.The Celts use it.They would run out of the Mist , naked, painted and screaming.Scared those Romans right proper.It is also used among Native Americans and is called a Ululation(sp?)from the part of your throat that vibrates.A favorite group of mine called "Ulali" is so named for it.Used among them primarily as a woman thing , also in celebration during dances.I have also heard from Uncle, that it was originally a form of communication, like the tribal drum.(Also true of the Early Celts)Done so because the sound carries a loooooooooong way.I think to the original poster this,; you should make up your own sound.Look into your soul and just belt it out.You know the principal, and Shira gave you an excellent example.Make your own.I do.Peace Out, Blessings, MdR
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    Sun, August 20, 2006 - 8:46 PM
    Would some fabulously talented, techno savvy zagareet-er post a video instructional on You -tube cause I'm having a hard time learning something audible from something written. I still sound like a drowning monkey =(
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      Sun, August 20, 2006 - 8:49 PM
      Stacy, I don't know if it will help, but I have a sound file on my web site of a zagharoot. See www.shira.net/audience.htm and go down to the section called "Zaghareet". I hope it helps a little!

      --Shira
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        Sun, August 20, 2006 - 9:54 PM
        tHANKS MUCH! Now I can play it over and over while I try it and hope that at some point I no longer sound like the aforementioned drowning monkey! =)
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          Mon, August 28, 2006 - 1:12 AM
          Shira and Jamil, we are so lucky to have you both here on tribe sharing your cultural and technical expertise so generously.! :-)

          BTW, do people in the US really hiss? How odd. As a snakey dancer, I think I'd find that really off-putting - I'd be thinking that the audience must REALLY hate my moves.

          Okay, I'm off to drown the monkey! :-D
  • A fun story involving zaghareet

    Mon, August 21, 2006 - 12:56 PM
    Some years ago, I was in Las Vegas for a business trip. A male coworker, who knew that I'm a belly dancer, expressed interest in accompanying me to the Marrakesh restaurant to see the dancer, so we went together. He had NEVER seen a belly dance performance before that night.

    When the dancer entered, the audience in general greeted her with lukewarm applause. I wanted to encourage her, so I did a zagharoot. Her eyes immediately locked on mine and she smiled. She went on with her show. When she made her way to our table, she (not surprisingly) got me up to dance with her, so I did. She went on with her show.

    Afterward she finished her show, she went back stage, changed her clothes, came to our table, and chatted with us a few minutes.

    The rest of the week, my coworker told others about the experience of going to the Moroccan restaurant with me. He told people, "Belly dancers have their own way of signaling each other - they make this weird high-pitched sound. And once they know one of their own is in the audience, they pay special attention to each other. The performer will get her fellow dancers up to dance with her, that's their way of having fun with each other." It was so funny hearing him tell everyone this! It's as if he thought the zagharoot was a secret code of some sort!
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      Mon, August 21, 2006 - 2:00 PM
      LOL that's cute!

      When me and fiancé went to see BDSS he had never heard zaghareet before. When a couple of women in the audience started to zaghareet he looked startled at first and then a bit concerned. He said; "What's wrong with those women? Are they drunk or something? Why do they ruin the show, screaming like that? It's very rude." It cracked me up.
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        Mon, August 21, 2006 - 4:45 PM
        Josephine, your message reminded me of another fun zaghareet story!

        Some years ago, one of the other women in my belly dance troupe got her divorce finalized. It was a happy occasion for her. In honor of it, we decided to have a return-to-bachelorettehood party for her. Invitees were mostly belly dancers, though we did have a few "civilians" too. (But they were all rowdy party women.

        Anyway, as he peeled off his clothes and danced around, you can bet there were LOTS of zaghareet!!! At one point, he stopped dancing momentarily and asked one of the guests, "Why is everybody making these Indian sounds?"

        We were giggling about that for months!
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:00 AM
    well, i can't add much to the "how to" (other that agreeing with the fact that is it VERY hard to do it quietly ^_^)
    but i did want to share this: my teaching in my home town (the woman i've only had the pleasure of taking lessons from a few times, since my work schedule was very hectic) would end each of our classes with a group zagareet. it might not have been culturally correct (we were doing tribal after-all) but it was always a lot of fun and very energizing after working hard during class. she would start it off and we would "pass it" around the cool-down circle a few times. ^_^
    ps: don't worry too much about the spelling of Arabic words. there will always be variations because the roman letters are only approximations of the Arab sounds. ^_~
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    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:29 PM
    I personally love to hear zaghareet at shows, no matter what the size. Bellies for Life '08 had an amazing (and towards the end, fairly tipsy), mostly-female and pretty rowdy audience--I think as an American audience, it's a way of letting loose that makes the energy level in the room completely skyrocket. I have never seen (in my limited and limiting experience) a bellydancer who didn't appreciate it.

    A friend of mine, incidentally, does her zaghareet differently: we both learned to say "lih lih lih lih lih" really high and fast, like you're singing Wagnerian opera, but hers travels from the front of her tongue to the back, so it becomes more like "li li liyi yi yi yi yi yi". Basically she's moving the back of her tongue up and down really, really fast, with the high-and-loud voice coming out on a "y" sound rather than an "L". The tongue in front doesn't waggle, so it looks a little strange if you know what a zaghareet should look and sound like.

    Just another opinion. ;) And you should totally practice in your car. I do. But roll down the windows first (at least in the back seat) because a small car can get really loud, really fast.
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    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:03 PM
    i just remembered another thing: we were doing a basic belly dance thing with women's student union at my school, and the last thing we did was learn the zagareet. anyway, the walls are thin, and the group next door started yelling "we can hear you!" and i thought it was some sorority girls being obnoxious, but that is was weird how well they were doing it for someone that was making fun.
    after the event i went and looked at who was over there, it was my dance partner (well.... if she wasn't busy every minute of everyday!) and the student Pagan union, they were cheering us on ^_^

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