I just like to clarify the style in the header because I know I'm not qualified usually to critique tribal-fusion. My style has been going from what some people call "American Cabaret" and I am trying to move into more of an Egyptian or Arabic style of dancing. This was also my first time performing with shoes on. I remember worrying during this performance that I was boring people. I would like to know what is good and what needs work, so that I can work on improving and also make sure I highlight my strengths in upcoming shows.
This is from May...
www.youtube.com/watch
To contrast that, this is what I was doing last October. (Starts about 45 seconds in, I think, after Elvis).
www.youtube.com/watch
This is from May...
www.youtube.com/watch
To contrast that, this is what I was doing last October. (Starts about 45 seconds in, I think, after Elvis).
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 4:12 PMThere is definitly more confidence and strength in the May video. so you can see hard work is paying off.
The differences in AmCab and Egyptian are sometimes subtle as you dance but are very obvious when you look at the performance, Egyptian is very INWARD.. you draw the music in and feel it go into you soul.. then let the audiance see the translation in the movement.Amcab is POW.. did you see that!?
I did not know the differences when I started finding my style.. then more and more would comment.."that was a lovly classic Egyptian piece you just did".. so I started researching and trying to figure out how i was doing it because I intended amcab - that was what I was being taught.. so how did I travel away...? My training is hula.. that is a translation dance.. same as Egyptian. I pull the music in and let it drive me - so Classic Egyptian I am.. and I am ok with that.
So keep going, you are working toward it..
things to try.. whan you are walking, up on toes, soft knees and let you hips move with it. Also use the abs to pull inward to the spin and roll.. like the music entered you.. and.. Egyptians are known for being able to dance in small places.. so dance one side, move to the other then bring it back to center.
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 5:33 PMI think it made sense - and thanks for commenting - I always watch and enjoy your videos on here. -
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 8:12 PMgee thanks..blush...
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Sun, June 29, 2008 - 7:29 PMBeautiful, Nepenthe!
I really enjoyed both clips, but being the Raks Sharki junkie that I am - I particularly enjoyed the May clip.
Couple things I noticed (however trivial) are... at the beginning - your top arm looks a bit out in space before bringing it down. At the beginning there are some 3/4 shimmies - for some reason I wanted to really slow things down and dance on the accent there. Not quite sure why, but it made me feel the 3/4 shimmies were out of place (though, I don't think they were, but perhaps this offers an alternative)? The little kick turn things at 3:12 and just before I wasn't too fond of - perhaps an arabesque with a lower undulation there? Personally, I wasn't a fan of the shoes and prefer barefeet or simple slippers where protection is necessary.
I felt you could use to relax your hands a bit more, and use your ribcage and neck/face more as extensions to your movements.
Other than that, I have nothing else to offer. I rarely watch dance clips all the way through and I did so quite happily with these. You're a very lovely dancer! Just loooooved your expression at 4:09 and your ending was very cute. I also really liked the little sequence of moves at 1:37. I'm not sure if this was a choreography or improv, but everything really flowed very nicely.
The little tidbits I have to offer are just my humble opinion. Hopefully it's food for thought, but I would hate to have you second guess yourself because of it. They're really trivial things... ;-)
Yalla!
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Mon, June 30, 2008 - 6:42 AMThank you AdiShakti - you know I admire your dancing so much so to get feedback from you means a lot.
October - May - can you tell that I went to the Dina workshop inbetweentime and became a raqs sharqi junkie myself? It was after seeing all those performances on Friday night that I decided what I really wanted to do with my dancing.
It was improvised, but 1:37 was one of the earliest sections that solidified after working with this music for 4 months. Also, the section with the shimmies layered on a step forward & back with the kick-turn...I also find the kicks to be a little jarring now that I see it on video - I think it needs something more gentle. I also see what you mean about the 3/4 shimmies - although they don't _not_ fit with the music, there are so many shimmies in this piece that perhaps it should start out more relaxed.
I knew about the hands - I'm fighting one hand in particular that crunches up when I do something difficult for me. But when you say ribcage/head extension, do you mean isolate less and get out of the upright box - like allowing the ribcage to respond to what the hips are doing? (We learn to isolate first, then we learn to un-isolate, isn't that the truth?) Another thing I've been working on is getting a more visible tuck and putting more muscle into my movements. -
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Wed, July 2, 2008 - 5:00 AMThanks, Nepenthe!
For the ribcage/head extension, I mean to dance more with your whole body versus isolating your hips. You're sooo right about learning first to isolate then unisolate. I'm going to quote Hadia on a couple pieces of advice she offered me that I refer to tirelessly.
"Stop crossing your i's & t's, and DANCE"
"Oriental Dance is not about isolations. Isolations and body awareness are the tools needed for expression"
"Take off your lid" (ie on your head) ;-)
We worked with some counter balancing and I felt it a very useful tool. ie. if your left hip goes out, then your ribcage should extend left. If the melody rises, reach up/look up, fall down with the music, etc.
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Fri, July 4, 2008 - 9:18 AMI just bought Hadia's 4 DVD set. I know you study with her. I haven't had time to pop them in for a runthrough yet, but I scanned through the set and am pretty excited about starting, and it looks like she has a lot of other DVDs as well if her style of teaching works for me.
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Thu, July 3, 2008 - 2:35 PMI'll comment on technique & as a random audience member because I am NOT a knowledgeable Egyptian-style dancer. The physical intention and commitment to your performance is leaps and bounds ahead now of where you were in October. The few opening seconds of the May video with the arm gestures and veil were lovely & captivating - nice example of really dancing in the music. The moments of softer, rounder movement throughout the piece also had that quality of intention.
The more staccato movements (particularly the shimmy section as you mentioned) were less compelling to watch. I think if you are able to relax into those movements more you'll be able to better express your music in those sections. You have some extra tension in your neck and shoulders that keeps you from getting the "isolation" of your hips (which is really releasing your upper body so it doesn't have to go along with every tiny hip movement). -
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Re: Feedback for Stage Performance (Arabic/Egyptian dance)
Fri, July 4, 2008 - 9:19 AMwow, so observant! What you say about the hip/shimmy tension was actually a question I ended up asking on Bhuz - how to get that relaxed feeling while still shimmying the hips.
I appreciate your comments.
And I think I'll have to start my next big staged performance with a veil as well as the feedback on that has been universally positive.
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