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I get the feeling as I watch a dancer with high heels that the range of motion (meaning the ability to do a pelvic tuck or point the tailbone down) is inhibited somewhat... comments??
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 7:56 AMI'll freely admit that I'm a snob about heels.
I hate them. I don't hate the dancers, and I know at least one of the reasons for the heels...but it makes me annoyed to watch dancers dance in heels.
The things that I usually notice most when a dancer is wearing heels are that they have a swayback (not necessarily a huge one, but still, not a neutral pelvis), they don't move as smoothly, and they look like they are more nervous about falling.
I'll caveat this with that I've seen Egyptian dancers (actually from Egypt, not just the style) who do all their practicing and performance in heels, and they don't look uncomfortable or nervous about falling. I still don't enjoy their dancing as much, but you can tell the difference between the dancers who only perform in heels versus the ones who practice and perform in them. -
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Thu, September 24, 2009 - 8:58 AMI agree. I first learned belly dance barefoot, and I can't imagine doing it in heels. I was taught that it's a very "earthy" dance, and that your flat feet connect you to Mother Earth. This is how one of my first teachers described it. I just like the look and feel of bare feet. The only exception might be that I see Rachel and other dancers do it in little boots with heels sometimes, and I think that looks really cute. It seems to fit the style that they're doing. I could maybe do it in little boots like these, but never in super tall heels like some Cabaret dancers do it! I'll always prefer barefoot, though.
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 3:44 PMi think if you can keep safe dance posture in them and your like it, then go for it, but you do have to PRACTICE in them all the time, it is harder to keep posture because of how they shift your weight and encourage you to lock your legs, which hits your pelvis, which hits your back, etc. you would always be fighting the heels to keep yourself safe.
my dad is a chiropractor and is always talking down about high heels, that they're bad for you. i think it's possible to be mindful and correct what they do to your posture, but very hard and i don't think it's worth the risk if you're dancing and practicing regularly enough, it would accumulate to too much time in heels.
not to mention that you have to get dance specific shoes, which can cost, because of the risk of walking shoes (and not-for-walking ^_~) shoes breaking under the stress of dance, some serious injury potential there.
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 6:09 PMI prefer the barefoot look, too, and I definitely prefer dancing barefoot (which is probably related to Fariha's point about the necessity of *practice* to maintain a safe dance posture...). But, I have seen some gorgeous belly dance in heels, and it doesn't bother me when dancers wear them as long as they do it correctly. It's definitely mostly about maintaining posture. Dancing en releve shouldn't change your posture or your ability to perform all of your movements, nor should heels. I think the Indigo dance well in heels because they maintain their dance posture well, not just because of the style they're performing or the shoes they're wearing.
And, though I do prefer the barefoot look, sometimes dancers just need to be in shoes (dirty restaurant floors, etc)...and personally, I really dislike the look of Roman/Hermes sandals, especially with glitzy oriental/cab costumes.
I think heels often get a bad rap among us belly dancers (especially Americans) because it seems like a "less authentic" look...I definitely used to think so! But then you watch Samia Gamal, or Tahia Carioca, or Nadia Gamal, or even look at old pictures of Ghawazee dancers, and they all wore heels (not always ballroom-style heels, but heels nonetheless). It's practically mandatory for Lebanese style.
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 8:17 PMAs a dancer, I'm not comfortable with my feet totally bare most of the time. I like my crazy half-sole sandals. I'm so bad with turns...
It's a scientific fact that heels raise the buttocks, causing an arch in the back. That's why men like it when we wear them. As long as the dancer is comfortable with that, I have nothing against her wearing them.
Though, here's a thing a find odd - a dancer who dances barefoot 99% of the time, having a photo shoot wearing heels. It throws my brain off.
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Thu, September 24, 2009 - 7:40 PMHeels, never, not for me anyways. I prefer bare feet all the time, even when I am not dancing. I will have to buy those ballet slippers soon though for a November show, and don't know if I can adapt to them even, never mind heels. Ekks. -
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Thu, September 24, 2009 - 8:29 PMI've thought about trying ballet slippers. I don't even like wearing socks when I dance, although some moves are easier in socks on certain surfaces. (Can also be too slippery on certain surfaces!) I prefer a barefoot look most of all, but it really comes down to comfort. I've danced outside, which is okay if there's a rug, but when you're dancing with a big troupe and not everyone can fit on the rug, you inevitably end up dancing on rough pavement! That isn't pleasant. I do wish there was a way to have some arch support while dancing. I have had a mild case of plantar faschitis that I got from running too much, and sometimes when I dance on hardwood floors, I'll get a slight tingly sensation in my toes and feet. My doctor told me a long time ago not to dance barefoot on hard floors, but there really isn't anything I can do! It doesn't happen all the time, thank goodness, and when it does happen, it isn't really bad. But it isn't very good for anyone's feet to dance on hard floors without any support.
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 2:48 PMsome good feedback! as for ballet shoes, pick carefully as I tried three or four kinds. JJ's (they have two elastics each show that cross over the top of the foot to keep them on) can be a little sloppy, but are one of my fav for casual dancing. Beware the "real" ballet beginner shoes where the leather draws over the front of the foot and joins a little 'pad' right under the ball of the foot. Ouch!! A real dance supply store will be able to help you choose shoes. -
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Sat, September 26, 2009 - 11:00 AMDiscountdance.com that's where I buy my half-sole sandals. Plus they have lots of other "nearly bare" covers just for the balls of the feet, for modern dancing and turns and whatnot.
My mom made her own out of those things you can buy in any store that give you the feel of pantyhose in dress shoes but only cover like half your foot. You just need the right amount of elastic to keep them on.
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 10:31 AMThis is an interesting topic, worthy of further debate from many angles.
When I was younger I indulged myself with burlesque. The standard at the time was 5 inches with no platform. Platforms moved in and made the height of 6 much more comfortable, what with an inch or more cushion under the ball of the foot. Then eventually the height moved to 7 and beyond, adding a stilheto toe shoe/pointe shoe.
Obviously as stated in a comment above, these heels emphasize the tush with the forced shift of the pelvis and does change the center of gravity for any movement. An added restriction would also come from additional straps, height of boot tops, etc. All having to be brought together in practice before hitting the stage.
Ah ha!
There you have it- the stage.
Not all venues have stages.
At a hafla or workshop or venue with a stage, it can be taken for granted that there is a properly cared for dance space.
But it wouldn't be wise to take anything for granted where the health of your feet, one of the fundamental structures to be able to dance is concerned.
It is always wise to have some kind of shoe at the ready to perform in. Practice in them.
Outdoor stages, where the elements have had their way with the stage are also cause for concern.
Half sole and Hermes sandals by capezio are wonderful for street, no stage, and out door stage performing, as well as getting to and from in costume.
We have to take care of our feet. Extreme care. To be brutally honest, they harbour staph.
Pumice, nail files, lotions.
And extreme heels can pinch bones into bunions and force arches out.
Personally I prefer to belly dance barefoot. But I'd put shoes on in a heartbeat if I was performing in a tooo communal area. -
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Mon, September 28, 2009 - 7:46 PMtribes.tribe.net/shira/thr...5345716aa6
a little into the thread it gets into the health reasons for wearing shoes. i like my flat-as-cardboard sandals, one of the other dancers at the restaurant i dance at dances barefoot and people are always spilling their drinks, it's a greek restaurant and one of these nights im sure someone's going to start throwing dishes. she's adamant about her bare feet, but i worry for her. -
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Tue, September 29, 2009 - 9:25 AMYeah, it definitely depends on where you're dancing, and what the flooring is like. I've never danced in those sandals, but I almost bought a pair one time. I think they're cute. It would take some getting used to having something on my feet because I only like the feel of dancing barefoot. What about a ballet slipper, or even some kind of jazz shoe? I was looking at the Capezio store online once, and I saw a couple of shoes that I thought might work for belly dance. -
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Tue, September 29, 2009 - 12:21 PMSpeaking of shoes for dancing in...
I've used both the Hermes sandals (they're not my favorite, but they do work for my needs) and little canvas Mary Janes (similar to the ones that you often see with traditional Chinese costumes).
But I bought some shoes for practice for when I'm doing lots of spins on hardwood floors that I absolutely love. They are wonderful and comfy and have a spin spot and a split sole, so they're good for doing turns and such and keep my feet from getting . However, my students tell me that they're really ugly and won't let me wear them in public. :-D
My shoes:
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 12:22 PMFixing my above post...
...so they're good for doing turns and such and keep my feet from getting torn up from too many spins.
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Tue, September 29, 2009 - 7:33 PMi think they're really common jazz shoes. i only say that because the jazz dancers at my school all wore them, but they were the only ones, the ballet dancers didn't, nor the modern dancers.
i think they look just like sneakers, unless u look from the side, not ugly, but maybe you're student's just figure they don't fit with a bellydance costume? -
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 10:50 AMI've always referred to them as hip-hop shoes...and they go horribly with bellydance costumes (unless it's a hip-hop fusion like Anasma does in her dragon fighting performance in Fantasy Bellydance)...but they're so comfy. :-D
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 5:29 PMI recently just went out dancing in a pair of non-dance 4" heels. Actually pretty damn fun. The toes don't have a solid sole, but have 1 thickness of 8-10 oz leather. I didn't feel as though the heels altered my movement, because most of my movement is muscular not skeletal, and I dance with my weight on my toes as it is. -
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Re: whadayah think about heels?
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 9:03 PMI started out dancing barefoot and spent my first few pro years dancing barefoot in all kinds of places. It was very tough on the feet, for sure!
After one particularly bad incident (stepped on a hookah coal!) I went to Hermes sandals for good. It was better for turning and I didn't have to scrape the black crud off my feet (ewww) at the end of the night!
I started dancing with a partner about 2 years ago and she wanted to use ballroom heels. My first response was "hell no!" but she talked me into trying them on. I have been dancing very happily in them ever since.
Yes, it does shift the pelvis slightly forward but I don't personally find that it throws pelvic posture way out of whack. You definitly have to make some adjustments and absolutely need to practice in them. I am very glad to have made the switch.
Mahin
www.shes-got-hips.com
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