More shimmy questions....

topic posted Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:59 PM by  Lyra
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Where do you power your shimmy from? Is there any that you think looks better than the others, or is easier/harder to do...? I take classes with two different teachers. The first tells us to use our knees (she started out by having us straighten our legs to hit her hands with the backs of our knees). The second told us to to use our gluts, which I can't seem to do... XD And today she seemed to imply that we should be using our obliques instead, but that was for doing the 3/4 shimmy...is 3/4 different in this way...?

I'm really confused, and I think soon I'll end up just shaking like a wet dog or something. XD
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Lyra
Chicago
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  • Re: More shimmy questions....

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:37 PM
    k, I'm not a teacher, so I'll give you my newbie perspective... I suppose it is possible to imagine that your 3/4 shimmy involves your obliques as you are lifting a hip over its natural neutral line. Knee shimmies are good and I've had success with that style - one hip goes "up" at a time -- keep your knees SOFT. Glute shimmies I have heard of but are an advanced move a la Suhailia. And of course shoulder shimmies which are simply placing one shoulder forward while the other shoulder travels back. You start out very slowly and deliberately to control the motion. As you speed up on all shimmies, you must work harder to control the motion and therefore, by the laws of physics, the motion becomes smaller. howz at?
  • Re: More shimmy questions....

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:04 PM
    Hi Lyra,

    I'm a big proponent of using many types of shimmies: originated largely by the glutes, obliques, legs, shift of weight, or held contraction (quiver). One of the many things I love about bellydance is the ability to find a way of originating a movement that works for our individual bodies and preference. There’s never really one “correct” way to approach an isolation. Being mindful, articulate, and precise about how you're originating a shimmy variation can be very beneficial and eventually give you more variety in your arsenal of shimmy dance vocabulary.

    For the leg shimmy, I prefer a version where the legs are active, but instead of moving the knees from alternating soft to straight (fully or hyper extended), I keep the knees in a slightly bent to soft range. You never want to put force on your knees in a direction that they weren’t meant to bend. Feel how the quadriceps and other muscles surrounding the knee immediately tone up to help support the joint in both the soft and bent position, as opposed to fully extended. This firming of the muscles around the knee also aids in controlling the movement. You want to stay slightly relaxed in the knee joint, but also support the joint from above and below with surrounding muscles of the legs and also contain the range of motion. Think of keeping the hip sockets relaxed with ease of movement. The movement is not so much about the range of motion in the hips, but more a rhythm in the flesh of the legs, hips, booty, and belly. A little goes a long way with the leg movement. Try to keep the range between soft knee and bent knee small. Start out extremely slow and work on quality first, as opposed to speed. As you being to increase speed, remember to go only as fast as you can while maintaining control and clean, rhythmically even movement.

    Good luck!!!
    ~Zanbaka
    • Re: More shimmy questions....

      Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:31 PM
      I find that if my knees are really, really bent when I shimmy they actually start to hurt a little. But I've heard teachers tell people to bend them a lot. It seems to depend on the style and the teacher. I usually hear it taught by alternating the knees, though.
      • Re: More shimmy questions....

        Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:44 PM
        Hi Tisha, Exactly! A deep bend can be really hard on the knees. I always advise that students with knee discomfort also refrain from level changes and floorwork. A good rule of thumb is to not bend the knee so much that it's going past your toes from an above view. Take care, ~Z
  • Re: More shimmy questions....

    Tue, May 19, 2009 - 5:57 PM
    "she started out by having us straighten our legs to hit her hands with the backs of our knees"
    that kindda blows my mind. keep them soft, not locked back, also a general rule for life, not just dancing.
    like has been said, anyway that doesn't hurt you is "right" ^_^, just play with them and see what music seems to call for different kinds, and what the different muscle groups allow you to do with the rest of your body.

    "should be using our obliques instead, but that was for doing the 3/4 shimmy...is 3/4 different in this way..."
    3/4shimmy is different in that instead of being even all the way threw the count, there is a sortta "hold" on the 4. so "1,2,3,4" is "foot/hip, hip, hip, and" you don't think of the 4 because it is going to fast, but it happens. you are moving your hips for 3 of the 4 beats. (it might be more accurate to count it "1, e, and, a" rather than "1,2,3,4" but that's technically... and i don't understand music in a technical way.... ^_~)
    • Re: More shimmy questions....

      Wed, May 20, 2009 - 9:17 AM
      There are a huge variety of different shimmies, so no shimmy is "wrong" unless your teacher is telling you to do it a certain way and you don't.

      "Straight leg" shimmies are valid shimmies. Glute shimmies are valid shimmies – though particular hard for me, because my butt of steel tires out quickly. Oblique shimmies are valid shimmies – I find these to be the "biggest." Twist shimmies are valid shimmies. "Earthquake" shimmies are valid shimmies. If you want to know more about shimmies, find a shimmy DVD… I think there's one that's called something like 101 shimmies… or maybe it's 5 shimmies 20 ways or something like that. Or search for a shimmy workshop.

      When you start layering shimmies, you will find that what you're layering on top does a lot to determine which shimmy to use – the shimmy and the layer cannot use the same muscle at the same time without causing problems.

      Fariha – 3/4 shimmies… My understanding is that it isn't 4 counts, so there isn't a pause. It is actually a 3-part move, done per beat. When you're learning and keeping it slow, the best thing is to use 3-count music. When you speed up to 4-count music, the whole move should be completed 4 times. It's fast, it's continuous and it's only 3 parts.
      • Re: More shimmy questions....

        Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:47 PM
        ooo, that is so true! you count to three, not four
        • Re: More shimmy questions....

          Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:13 AM
          I never use my knees. The knees may move a bit but that's because they are connected to the leg. There are various types of shimmies but mostly the thighs, glutes and obliques control the various shimmies I do. Most of my shimmies are done with a straight leg, on the ball of my foot unless I'm moving my hip up and down then I raise and lower my heel or doing an earthy drum solo or oud/kanoon in which I will start out flat foot before raising to the ball.
  • Re: More shimmy questions....

    Mon, May 25, 2009 - 4:31 AM
    Shimmy is sth. every dancer has to find her own way to. For me, my way is now to build it up gradually, not to do sth. fast of which I hope it'll get bigger. That I tried, and it does work, too, but I want to learn the shimmy my current teacher does mainly, which is very similar to the Randa-Kamel-shimmy (at least when done fast). The thing is, when you stand it's rather leg driven, but if you lie or kneel it isn't... the sole aim is to have the hip go up and down neatly and distinguishably and when you stand, you're legs have to go evenly with it. That is I'm just talking of a big hip shimmy and no twist shimmy and no earthquake shimmy The more you have the knees bent, the tougher it's on them so I myself almost have a straight leg when training. I like that shimmy because it's juicy and big and you can see it from far away (stage).

    So when you want to see the shimmy the first time she does it it's at 0:25
    www.youtube.com/watch

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