Hi every one!
I've tried to practice the flutters, but it's imposible. How do I do this? Any tip?
I've tried to practice the flutters, but it's imposible. How do I do this? Any tip?
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Re: Flutters: How????
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:44 AMPrincess Farhana has some in her beginner video. I don't really know but when I try it, I use my diaphragm and my breath.
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Re: Flutters: How????
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:51 PMthe fat Chance belly dance vol. 4 also has a section on it. (xmas present. it's hard!)
anyway, the dvd and my teacher both explained it as you breath in, and close off your air flow with your tung (roof of the mouth) but continue to suck for air with your diaphram. you have to relax all of your abdominal muscles. it's pretty hard and takes a while to get.
i've heard there is another way to do it, but not what it is.
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Re: Flutters: How????
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 7:36 AMThe problem is that when I use my breath, I can't control my chest, and it moves. -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:44 AMIf you're using your diaphragm instead of your lungs, it should stay in the belly area. Work on focussing your breath to your belly. -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:52 PMUnca Vali's quick and dirty way to learn flutters:
You need to let your body know what movement you want it to make, right? Right.
Flutters aren't a natural movement for our bodies, right? Wrong.
Fake doing a hiccup... I'll wait. ::files nails::
Watch your diaphragm jump in the appropriate manner when you hiccup.
That is one flutter (a flut? ;-))) If you learn at first to hiccup repeatedly, you are learning to breath and close your glottis (in your throat) that stops up your throat. That stopping up of the airways causes a vaccuum in your chest cavity which sucks your diaphragm upwards. You then engage your stomach muscles to try and pull against the vaccuum. Therein lies your flutter.
Once you are comfortable, you need to build up speed and strengthen the muscles so that the flutter looks and gets bigger. If you start practicing now, you will have a spiff flutter in a year and half.
Hereing endeth the lesson...
Unca Vali
Who practiced flutters while showering, brushing his teeth, taking the train to work... -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:07 AMHey Unca,
is this glottis-closing the proper way to do it? seeing you call it the "dirty" way, sounds like a trick rather than proper technique? But I guess since one year and a half aren't really quick, so the technique isn't really "dirty" neither...I'm just checking because I am going to listen to you. I'd like to learn it. -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 9:03 AMI'm calling it the quick and dirty way because I don't want to use technical terms to try and describe esophageal movement, and I just want people to understand that the hiccup is the movement you are looking for. Once you understand that... feeling... you won't need to hiccup to start the movement, it will come naturally.
And "proper" technique will always be in the mind of the beholder. :) -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 4:51 AMThe hiccup thing seems to work, I get this cool indentation(sp?) between the ribs and can even hold it for a while but after that I'm kind of stuck.
How do I get the flutter going from there? Do I try to relax the diaphraghm or do I push/pull with another muscle from here? Do I still keep the belly relaxed and do something else? Or is it more like a series of hiccups without letting air in?
Because if I try to do that a few times in a row I just seem to get a bigger dent between the ribs. Implosion!! :-/ -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 4:15 PMThe Hiccup thing is just so you learn how flutters should feel. What you have to learn to do is focus on the glottal stop in the throat which controls the vaccuum in the chest cavity. When the vaccuum is in place, you try to push your diaphragm down against the pressure of the vaccuum in the chest.
I don't know if that explains it.
How do you mean you get kind of stuck? You hold the flutter for a while or you hold the indentation for a while? Yes, it is more like a series of hiccups. -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 6:50 AMThanks for the clarification!
I meant I hold the indentation for a while, I can get a cool vacuum now but was not sure how to generate movement from there, at least not from the diaphragm.
My upper belly muscles want to contract instead if I try to do that.
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Re: Flutters: How????
Fri, June 20, 2008 - 12:47 PMI think I did my first *real* flutter today, yay!
Thanks so much for the detailed explanations, they really really helped!
*Does happy dance*
Khalida
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Re: Flutters: How????
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:43 AMThat means, your breathing is too flat. Funny, the way the dancer described it above is exactly how I have been doing it and nobody taught me, I just watched Farhana and some others. -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:45 AMThis posting above was addressed to the girl whos chest starts moving. Sometimes my postings get posted where I clicked for them sometimes further down, it is a hit and miss thing withy tribe, strange. I hope, this one will go right under the one it relates to...
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Re: Flutters: How????
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:46 AMtried to answer your posting, Indo..., look further down.
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Re: Flutters: How????
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:52 AMGo to the grocery store, stand in the freezer section and open one of the doors. Try fluttering. You'll get it in less than a minute.
~*Spoon*~
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Re: Flutters: How????
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:01 PMWhy does this work? I've never heard of anyone using a freezer for this! But now I'm curious and I'm going to look very foolish at the supermarket.
All I know about flutters is that I learned to do them sitting down and now, if I'm going to get sore from doing too many, it won't be my belly, but rather my chest/esophagus. It's such a strange feeling. -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Thu, May 29, 2008 - 5:32 PMWhen standing in the freezer section your natural impulse is to hold your breath and rapidly contract/release your diaphram. From a practical perspective the cold pretty much isolates the action for you, all you have to do after that is remember how you held your body when you want to do it again. You'll still have to develop the muscles but being aware of how to isolate it is the important piece.
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Re: Flutters: How????
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 11:52 AMThis is amazing!!
I still haven't had a chance to try it, but it's such a neat tip!
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Re: Flutters: How????
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:49 AMThank you everybody. I think my flutters are developing (they are small and slow, but I think practice will change this)
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Re: Flutters: How????
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 8:03 AMcan i jump back on here and ask for some tips on relaxing your ab muscles when doing this? i seem to end up flexing them and trying to do "belly pops" very fast, even though i'm trying to drive it from my breath. my muscles won't move fast enough to flutter that way, but i'm having a hard time relaxing them enough to let them ripple with the diaphragm. any tips? -
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Re: Flutters: How????
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 6:51 AMTip from Aziza is to practise the flutters on all fours, gravity helps the belly relax and you can (theoretically ;) feel the flutter much better like that once it gets going.
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