Oh, please, help me discover the true name of this one, 'cause I really don't want to put it on my class handout that way! :-)
The move in question: you present mostly sideways to the audience, back arm up, front arm down and out from the moving hip. Drop the hip inward (as if you need to pee and are pushing your thighs together to hold it in--hence the name), then sweep that leg out and around, pivoting until your other side faces the audience. Repeat the sequence. It's a backwards traveling move. You can also jazz it up by doing more than one hip drop.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Does anyone have a more dignified name for the this move??? :-)
The move in question: you present mostly sideways to the audience, back arm up, front arm down and out from the moving hip. Drop the hip inward (as if you need to pee and are pushing your thighs together to hold it in--hence the name), then sweep that leg out and around, pivoting until your other side faces the audience. Repeat the sequence. It's a backwards traveling move. You can also jazz it up by doing more than one hip drop.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Does anyone have a more dignified name for the this move??? :-)
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Tue, March 20, 2007 - 12:38 PMFor some reason Hagallah pops in my head, but it may not be the move you are thinking of. -
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Tue, March 20, 2007 - 1:33 PMthanks, Zehara--it's not the Hagallah, but I can see from my description how it might sound that way....
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Tue, March 20, 2007 - 1:12 PMSome suggestions:
The hip drop inward part sounds like the first half of what we call a 'drop and toss' move - the knee turns in while corresponding hip drops, then the knee turns out and you toss/arc the corresponding hip backwards. As you toss, the weight shifts with it, repeat on the other side, and you move backwards.
If you're straightening the leg out with a pointed foot on the 'toss' part, it sort of sounds like a funky rhond du jamb (sp?)...with enough force to turn you sideways so you're doing the move in profile.
Hope this is more helpful than confusing...
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Tue, March 20, 2007 - 1:35 PMAmina, you've described it well--esp. the bit about the funky rond de jambe. It's much like that. :-) Drop and toss, huh? Well, it's more elegant than "pee pee", in any case....
(I'm guessing my first teacher, who had a ballet background, may have added the rond de jambe as a way of including pretty feet in the picture....)
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Tue, March 20, 2007 - 6:55 PMdon't suppose there is video of this one out there? I'm having trouble visualizing it:) -
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Tue, March 20, 2007 - 7:47 PMI'm afraid I don't have a video clip of it, and clearly I need one, since my description hasn't cut it! :-) It's not bicycle hips (well, unless that's yet another term that's used in a variety of ways...), and it doesn't quite sound like horseshoe hips is being described....
Lemme try again. :-) More thoroughly this time:
Hips profile to the audience---*upper body twisted to present more straight on* (didn't think about this the first time I was typing!)
Drop the hip closest to the audience, with the side effect of bringing your thighs and knees together like you're "holding it in"
Raise the audience hip again while sweeping that leg out, back and around, until you're in the same position as before with the opposite hip to the audience (and the upper body twisted to face front--when you do this move, the lower body is doing all the movement, and the upper body barely moves at all, except for changing arm positions)
Repeat
Sigh. This is impossible, isn't it?
Oh, well. My handouts are made. My students shall know this as the Pee Pee Step, and I'm sure it won't hurt them. Much.
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 12:49 PMActually Sakari, from your description it sounds very much like a Saidi hop, as others have described, only funkyied up a bit. I do this one during tahtiib with a stick overhead. But when I'm Rakssing, I do the same move, but slinkier and without as much earthy hop.
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Wed, March 21, 2007 - 12:57 PMIsn't this fun?? :-)
(actually, it kinda is.....)
okay, well, if anyone finds a clip of the drop and toss, the Saidi hop, or the horseshoe, post a link and I'll let you know how close it is to what I learned. If I find a video clip of the move, I promise to post a link. I think that's as good as this is gonna get.....
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Tue, March 20, 2007 - 6:39 PMHi, I learned the hip movement, if I'm picturing your description right, as horseshoe hips. If you stood in one place, and shifted from hip to hip, it would make the shape of a horseshoe (sort of). If I were writing up choreography notes, I'd call your move something like "moving backwards with horseshoe hip into rond de jambe". -
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Tue, March 20, 2007 - 6:05 PMI learned this as the bicycle step...though my instructor tends to make up her own names for things. -
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 12:10 AMSo does (one) of mine...
LOL - and it can be a bit confusing.
Haven't performed this particular move in my Tribal class,
but my Tribaret instructor (at a diff studio from where I take my Tribal) not knowing what to call things sometimes either - calls this move a snarkle
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Wed, March 21, 2007 - 1:17 AMlook im not too sure what this is...
i keep getting the idea that its the Saidi accented backstep.
a similar step was taught by Jillina in her intermediate belly dance instructional video.
Not too sure! '
the one i am thinking of, requires the dancer to do a slight crouch, then spring back swinging Left leg, then repeating the crouch and swinging the right leg....
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 2:43 AMThat is how I was visualising the move Jamil.
Like a small crouch and hop back with each leg.
Have no idea what it is called tho.
But I am sure I have seen Jillina do this, time to trawl Youtube.
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 6:48 AMmy teacher is a big Jillina fan, so it's definitely possible! :-) and to clarify, this was my Egyptian/Cabaret class, not my Tribal class.
Thanks for keeping at this, gang! :-) This is a great tribe!
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 10:44 AMIf you are jumping backwards, actually coming off the floor, yes this would be what we here also call a Saidi backstep or Saidi jump
If you are not jumping but swinging the leg backwards (sans leavng the floor), it sounds more like the funky drop and toss described above.
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, March 21, 2007 - 10:57 AMI was taught that this was a Saidi jump going backwards. a video clip would clear this up. ;-) I'm thinking actually of two distinctive moves that this could be from the original description however.... Anyone have a clip...?
The other choice is a horseshoe (tuck and then hips go in a "U" pattern - feet following pattern on floor with weight changes) move with the variation of swiveling around side to side instead of staying faced forward. feet stay on the ground for this one. Hmmm..
Told y'all I get confused (in another thread) without good video footage. ;-)
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Thu, March 22, 2007 - 12:21 PMHi, I'm new to this tribe, but thought I would join in. I learned this move as the Horseshoe step, there is no hopping backward involved. Another teacher I took from later called it the PeePee step, which sets up such an icky visual, that I would break down in class every time we came to that part!
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Thu, March 22, 2007 - 12:50 PMthanks for the input, Gilana! :-) It's nice to hear that someone else has at least heard the name "pee pee step" before.......
(it may be icky, but boy, you don't forget it, do you?)
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 12:57 PMIf it's without the hop, I've learned it as the "hip drop-ronde-de-jon". With the hop, (as often seen in Saidi/Raqs Assaya), my favorite name I've learned is "Celebration step". -
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 1:07 PM>I've learned it as the "hip drop-ronde-de-jon<
oh, of course--a descriptive name! Why didn't I think of this??
Thanks, Maya!
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Fri, March 23, 2007 - 1:22 PMI think I just learned it as a "hip drop switch".
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 9:11 PMI've called that move a Betty Boop........I have a habit of naming moves after cartoon characters. Helps my daughter remember them better.
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 10:08 PMIf this is the move I think it is, my troupe calls it "drop knee". It is a backward traveling move but there is no hopping or jumping. Facing the audience (not quite 3/4 body position) and starting on the right, drop your right knee in and down then swing right hip around the back and to the left side, drop left knee. The feet go from weight on the left leg , right leg sweeps back to bear weight when left knee drops. -
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Tue, April 3, 2007 - 6:52 AMIf I get what you are describing.....
Watch the Silver screen dancer, "Katie" in the first volume of her clips assembled by Sausan.
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Tue, April 3, 2007 - 9:09 AMFrom your initial description, it sounds like what I know as the backward "zig zag" travel step; pivoting from one side to the next, arms/hands alternately giving out, while hips drop in syncronization. (?) Hope this helps. -
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Tue, April 3, 2007 - 12:16 PMThanks, Karima! :-) "Zig-zag step" is so much more appropriate than "pee-pee", and it does sound like the same move....
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Tue, April 3, 2007 - 12:15 PM>Watch the Silver screen dancer, "Katie" in the first volume of her clips assembled by Sausan.<
do you know if it's possible to find this clip online anywhere? I went to the Sausan Academy website and found what I expect you mean--"Dances by Katie, Volume One", yes?--for sale, but no preview clips anywhere to be seen....
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Tue, April 3, 2007 - 9:16 PMHmmm...
You did find the one I was talking about, but I don't believe there is a preview clip available.
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Wed, April 4, 2007 - 9:35 AMah, well. 'S'okay. I still appreciate the info--thanks, Meena! :-)
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Tue, September 18, 2007 - 9:47 PMHi, I joined because I found this question. I started doing this 20 yrs ago, or what sounds like what you describe. Start with a n (drop front, drop back) then switch to other hip and n there. Rn Ln. Now, forget the back part of the n and drop front R, start swinging your R hip like you are going to do the back drop of the n but don't drop, circle it around to your left hip and drop front. Drop front R, circle around back to drop front L. Yes, you can do drop drop swing drop drop (or drop front back front swing drop front back front), but I usually do only 1 drop. And yes, you can travel or emphasis it by pivoting to drop as extreme in front across as you can. I've seen only a few other people do this, and Hasani (WA) teach it, otherwise it was something I made up yrs back and I'm sure others did also. (I'm a small town dancer) Play around with moves and put them together in different ways. It's fun reading about this here. Thanks. -
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 2:07 PMI love the way certain moves travel through belly dance circles thanks to workshops and stuff; I wonder if this move came to my neighborhood by way of Hasani......
It's a great move, isn't it? :-)
welcome to Tribe!
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 7:47 PMThanks and it probably could. I'm going to stick a picture up this weekend, will do a bit of profile stuff. Thanks for the welcome! Raq on!
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 9:00 PMIs it the hip drop back step maybe? I've seen this move but i also do this move swooping the hip in a deep circle as if going into a one hip figure eight then tracing my foot in a circle around so the other hip faces audience. But if the hip drops and the foot circles to the back while tracing the floor so the other hip can face front this may be the hip drop back step....maybe....
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:46 PMLate post, but it got bumped. Sounds like a slight hip-drop added to the Saidi hop. Plie facing 10 o'clock, straighten legs hop up extend R leg twist R hip back, to face 2 o'clock, plie - repeat to other side.
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 10:24 AMOh thats one of my favorite moves! You described it so well I could understand what you're talking about...LOL
I dont know the traditional name of the move, but my troupe calls it "heart" because if you notice, it appears that your hips and feet are tracing a heart on the ground as you move. :) -
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 6:52 AMYou're right! I never thought of that before--thanks! Another way to help my students get it! :-)
In the end, I went ahead and called it the Pee Pee step, and got on with my life. ;-)
(although my secondary name for it is the "drop and around" because it's descriptive, and if I feel as though I might offend anyone it's a good back up name. However, my big group of students likes calling it the Pee Pee step. Belly dancers are earthy women....)
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 12:16 PMLOL I think Peepee step is cute! Our troupe has some really odd ball names for some of our moves...We've got the titty twister, the jailbird, and jen's mindfuck, so peepee step could fit right in. LOL
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Re: the infamous "Pee Pee" step
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:06 PMThere's a slightly different version that I learned as the "backward travelling L step". (Never quite figured out where the "L" concept came in...)You can do it either on a diagonal or facing straight downstage, and instead of the hip dropping inward, it simply drops down, then begins to lift to return to neutral. As it lifts, you let the movement travel down the leg so that the working leg traces a circle and ends up behind the supporting leg. where you begin the movement again. We learned it both with arms in second position, and also with the arm position you describe, one overhead and one arm lower and out from the working hip.
"The pee pee step" probably isn't the most glamorous name, but if you rename it and focus on the feet rather than the hip, you can call it a traveling arc or traveling foot circle. On the other hand, your class may appreciate the sense of humor in the original name. -
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:35 PMI tried to rename it the "drop and around", descriptive names being awfully useful and all, but it's true: they do seem to love the humor....
Belly dancers are just darned earthy, aren't we?
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(btw, your move does sound very similar, and I'm thinking these are all just stylistic variations of the same premise. I love the move in all its variants!)
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 10:10 PMHa ha!! I think I learned this at a workshop as gotta pee, no I don't! :)
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 1:11 PMYup!! That's the way I learned it, too! :-)
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