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If I work to tighten my tush, am I sabotaging(sp) my shimmies?
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 2:51 PMNo, but you may be changing the kind of shimmy you're doing. Or perhaps broadening your shimmy potential.
I'm assuming you're not doing glute shimmies… Tighter glutes = better glute shimmies
Regular piston shimmies… these should be "showing" in your hips, not in your glutes, so it shouldn't make much difference.
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 3:03 PMYes you did.
I haven't tried glute shimmies. I've only seen Sharon glute workout which scared the hell out of me.
I haven't seen glute shimmies that I know of.
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 12:58 PMA really good glute shimmy is unbelievably impressive to me. Especially when there are well-defined glutes involved.
Because you can really see it "firing" from behind, even though the "movement" is in the hip.
It's crazy… from the front, the hips move up and down and maybe a little out to the side, almost like a piston shimmy, but not quite. (less reverb)
At a 3/4 angle, you can really see the glute – for lack of a better word – bouncing to create the hip movement. Especially if the performer is wearing black pants and a bright-colored hip scarf. It's totally like "BAM . . . BAM . . . BAM. . . BAM"
Definitely worth doing some research to see the difference in these two shimmies. Definitely worth pursuing both in your repertoire. -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 2:25 PMMy question is how does one "do" a glute shimmy? There are so many different shimmies and so many explanations of them I get confused....I just do the resting shimmy mostly and the 3/4's...and some folks call the resting shimmy a vibrations...argh! -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 5:14 AMGlute shimmy: squeeze the right, squeeze the left, right, left, right, left. Make sure to relax each one while the other "fires."
I could be wrong, and others will correct me, but the glute shimmy is often a touch "slower" than a piston shimmy
I'm not familiar with "resting" shimmy. I'm not sure if that's the piston shimmy or not.
What I was taught as a vibration shimmy is severely fatiguing. Basically you tighten every muscle in your body all at once, as hard as you can until everything has a small vibration.
But the piston shimmy can be small and look "vibratey." -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 7:35 AMOh, and I forgot to point out that DuckAmuck is very correct--for alternating glute squeezes, make sure to relax the right glute while the left contracts, and vice-versa. Letting go in time with the beat is a lot harder than contracting in time, which is why it's easy to feel like you're seizing up. -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Sat, October 3, 2009 - 2:18 PMPardon me a moment...
Yay! I knew something!
Maybe I AM intemediate or advanced after all...
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 7:31 AMYou might want to check with the Real Suhaila tribe about this, because there are definitely better and more advanced students in her format than I would can give you more and perhaps more accurate information re: glutes.
That said, in Suhaila's format, there isn't a "shimmy" per se. Rather, there are alternating glute contractions that are timed with the meter of the music. They begin to look like a shimmy at double time (if you perform double time alternating glute squeezes with the downbeat on the right glute, your glutes would be contracting RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL on 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a--that is, the right glute would contract twice per beat, on the 1 and the &, and the left glute would be alternating with the right, and so contracting on the e and the a of each beat).
The Suhaila vibration, meanwhile, is incredibly difficult to accomplish. Long story short, it involves isolating and contracting your gluteus muscles hard enough that they begin to vibrate. It takes a LONG (read: usually years) to achieve, at least so that it is big enough to be seen by an audience.
There are many different methods of vibration, however. I've encountered teachers and workshop instructors who teach/perform them as a held contraction of all the muscles in the leg (including quads, hamstrings, and glutes), or just with an isolated, held contraction of the inner thighs. It depends on what look or stylization you want to achieve--and of course, check with somebody who knows about anatomy and physiology before you start practicing them all the time. I have no idea if other (non-glute) vibrations are good or bad or neutral for your body.
As for the original poster, tightening and toning your glutes shouldn't mess up your shimmies. However, there are methods of shimmying in which you want to keep your glutes loose. When I started studying with an "Egyptian style" teacher, it was really hard for me to learn to let my glutes go, I was so used to using them to power my movements. Because of that, my shimmies looked stunted, but it wasn't because of the conditioning. One thing that you DO want to watch out for, though, is your IT bands. I found out a couple of weeks ago in a Suhaila workshop that strengthening the glutes can cause your IT bands to tighten up, so you need to be diligent about rolling them out (using a foam roller). A lot of activities cause your IT bands to get tight (running, ballet, etc.)--rolling is ALWAYS a good idea. -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 12:02 PMOk-what is an IT band?
And the glute shimmy sounds like what I thought--the butt squeeze that Suhaila teaches.
The resting shimmy is also called, I believe, the piston shimmy. That's the one I use. -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:19 PMThe iliotibial (IT) band is not a muscle, but a band that runs on the outside of your thigh from your knee to your hip, wrapping around to connect with the hip flexors and the gluteus muscles. Here is a picture: <<www.aafp.org/afp/20050415/1545_f1.jpg>>
It can get you all out of wack if it is too tight--it can affect knees, hips, glutes, and more (a foot problem I am having appears to be related to IT band tightness), and it is more or less impossible to stretch (as it isn't a muscle) so rolling it is your best bet. Dancers and runners commonly have IT issues.
I am NOT an anatomy expert, so I'm sure more knowledgeable people than I could give you a more accurate definition and better information. I would suggest asking Aubre at the Belly Dance Anatomy & Physiology tribe or on the Real Suhaila tribe for IT information relating to belly dance, and of course a medical or physiology professional for actual advice about IT issues. -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 8:49 AMThat link was "not available"..but thanks for the info-I'll google it!
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Mon, November 23, 2009 - 6:46 PMOut of curiosity...I thought Carolena said the ATS shimmy highlights the round bouncy nature of a woman's hips. Consequently, I don't tighten the glutes but let them bounce away. Wouldn't a tight glute inhibit the bounce? -
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Re: Shimmies and glutes
Mon, November 23, 2009 - 6:48 PMOops, sorry...wrong tribe. I thought I was still in the ATS tribe. Please disregard my previous post. :)
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