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being how the veil is supposed to be a beautiful, lovely, graceful but strong display of art, do you think marks should be deducted for allowing the veil to drop (accidentally or at least not on purpose) to the floor? i'm very fussy about it and for myself, if i can't keep it up there for the whole song in correct lines, i'm not working hard enough.
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Re: lazy veil?
Fri, March 20, 2009 - 10:10 PMThe veil is going to move around and at times it will come in contact with the floor and wrap around your head (depending a lot on the mood of the veil at the moment). It takes practice and an amazing amount of arm strength to keep it always up and moving.
Yes, you should strive to keep it up and in proper lines and avoid having it "rebel" but it happens to everyone. But don't beat yourself up if the veil just decides not to behave that day. That's why we practice, to minimize that possibility... ;=}
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Re: lazy veil?
Mon, March 23, 2009 - 10:07 AMAs a general rule, if your hands are below your hipline, your veil will probably contact the floor. When your veil floats down it will brush the floor then too. While I'm not strict about it when I teach, I do recognize that floors (especially in restaurants) are usually dirty and can stain your veil if they are wet. However, when the music cues it, I will often frame my hips or whatever with the veil - like a few measures of drum solo - and often one edge will be on the floor.
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Re: lazy veil?
Mon, March 23, 2009 - 10:21 AMIf you're short, they don't make "petite" size veils… so that's bound to happen, even if your form is otherwise perfect.
If you're judging a competition, then sure, deduct points. If you're in class… feel free to make a mental note that you are doing better than them, but I don't think anything needs to be said. And if it's during a non-competitive performance, just be aware that sometimes when you perform unexpected things happen, especially if there's a veil. -
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Re: lazy veil?
Mon, March 23, 2009 - 1:44 PM" And if it's during a non-competitive performance, just be aware that sometimes when you perform unexpected things happen, especially if there's a veil. "
i think that if it IS at a competition, the points come or go more on how you deal with a lazy veil than whether or not it happens. -
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Mon, March 23, 2009 - 8:53 PM"more on how you deal with a lazy veil than whether or not it happens"
This is the key, in my opinion. Whenever I teach a veil workshop, I always include a section on "When Veils Attack." Veils have a wicked sense of humor, and they WILL try things. There are easy ways to deal with dropped veils, but they're only easy if you PRACTICE them! I always tell my students to practice screwing up. Practice dropping the veil with one hand, practice dropping it totally, practice stepping on it, practice having the veil fly over your head. I'd MUCH rather get myself out of those situations a bunch of times by myself, so that when I am in performance and something happens, I can get out of it gracefully. I did a double veil piece a couple of years ago where in one performance, I dropped one of the veils. I didn't think of it at that moment, but afterward, I was mortified- I thought I was awful. When people told me later that they didn't notice (because I asked them about it)- I thought they were being nice. Then I watched the dvd, and I couldn't find the spot. I know it happened - I was there (obviously) and I know exactly the moment it happened in the piece, but I COULDN"T SEE IT. Because I practiced what I would do if it happened. So when it did happen, I didn't think about it- I fixed it, without having to stop and figure out how. It was in my body, and it worked. -
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Re: lazy veil?
Tue, March 24, 2009 - 7:38 AMBut… there's no way to hide "the veil didn't make it over my head" or "the veil caught my ponytail" or even "I hit myself in the face instead of throwing the veil"… those are the things I run into the most. Not dropping it. -
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Re: lazy veil?
Thu, March 26, 2009 - 2:44 PMyheah, my arms get tired and i don't always keep them straight enough to make it over my head...... im starting to wonder if veil for my next solo is a good idea.... ^_~ -
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Re: lazy veil?
Fri, August 14, 2009 - 12:46 PMWell their is so much that you can do with a veil. Their is a natural veil style where you dance with and move the veil with a mixture of traditional veil holds and a open hand technique. You are part of the veil and it is partner to you. You intentionaly let the veil wrap around the body and move with it and let it go where it wants to while layering movements with it. For example if the veil goes to the ground follow it and do some floor work with it. Explore and have fun with it. The only limmit is your imagination!
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Re: lazy veil?
Tue, August 18, 2009 - 10:29 AM"correct lines" for a veil doesn't make much sense to me. It's like any other part of your body/costume - whether it's on the floor or not is a moot point. Having correct lines depends on your body & arms, so "marks should be deducted" when THEY are not correct, not your veil.
If you're talking about actually dropping the veil totally or with one hand, I think you might get kudos if you handle it well, as it happens to everyone. If you act like an ass when you make a mistake, then of course that would detract from your performance.
