Here's another one with prices too good to be true. Has anyone bought from Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique?
www.bargains4bellydance.com/index.html
www.bargains4bellydance.com/index.html
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:36 AMI have notn actually purchased from them, but because their website is so shoddy, and the images appear to be very low quality fabric, I doubt I would.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 5:43 PMThese ladies are sweeties and I love their tiered Gypsy skirt. I know they don't have the best website but I don't think they are all that tech savy. I
Here are some pics of their garments
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This skirt is actually really cool in person, I am going to have her make me some ruffle pants next time I can talk to her
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:11 PMI can HONESTLY VOUCH for Ro & Rea. I have known & danced with them for almost 3 years. Both Ro & Rea have been sewing since their teens. They make most of our troupe's costumes, and many dancers, both locally & nationally have had costumes made by them. They have also made full troupe costumes & have MANY repeat customers. They can pretty much make whatever you want & they are very easy to work with.
The reason their prices are low is because they really understand what it means to not be able to afford something extravagant, but yet you want something pretty to wear to class or shows. They truly love the art of bellydancing as well as sewing. So it is not too good to be true - it really is. If for some reason you are unhappy with the costume you purchase from them, they will work it out with you until you are happy. That's what they do. They are very honest women.
I agree, their website is not as fancy as others, but these are ladies who just sew, they are not website designers or programmers. Do you think many of the websites on the internet are designed by the costumers?? I doubt it.
Please take a chance on them. I promise you, you will not regret it. It would be very sad if people here on Tribe judged these 2 ladies before even contacting and speaking with them about their costumes. I know of MANY other people on Tribe who will also vouch for Ro & Rea.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:15 PMI too can vouch for them. They are Arizonans so we here know of them. True it isnt top notch quality, but they do budget items for the less than wealthy of us in this biz. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:16 PMand they are nice people too.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:51 PMits wonderful to hear from people who actually know them. It's too bad their website looks bad, because if their stuff is indeed nice, the website isn't doing it justice. It's too bad they don't have a tech savvy person in their group who can design a killer website for them, because people buy based on first impressions usually. If they had a really great site, I bet they'd get alot of business. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:30 PMThey actually do quite well from their website. They are not in the position to be able to hire a fancy website designer or programmer. I personally don't think the website looks that bad. True, it needs to be updated & the pictures are not of the best quality, but they do the best they can. Besides sewing, they both have day jobs, Rea teaches bellydance 3 times a week as well as schedules some of our shows, and Ro also dances & schedules shows for our troupe. They are quite busy women.
I appreciate your suggestion about the website. I have approached Rea before about doing a new website possibly on freewebs.com (I think it is) but we have all been very busy. Hopefully soon they might have a new & improved website. But until then, I hope everyone out there will not judge Ro & Rea's book by its' cover.
If you wish to check out their bios, you can visit our troupe's Tribe page at tribes.tribe.net/dancersofdenile
Happy Dancing!
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 4:52 AMAt those prices, and with any reasonable level of quality, they probably get all the business they can handle.
Seriously, if they updated their website, they'd just need to spend more time maintaining it, and it might attract more work than they have time to do.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:56 AMAs a freelance website designer, I can tell you that a lot of TIME and MONEY goes into a good website -- and there's a lot more expense than the initial design too...there's updates, and shopping cart issues, and re-designs. A website doesn't usually just get designed once & stay static for the rest of the time the business is open. I don't think a lot of consumers think about that when they do come across more thrifty-looking website vs. the "shiny" ones. I wouldn't judge a business by their design.
What I would judge them on is (a) do they offer more than one method of contact, particularly a phone number, (b) do they show pictures of *their* work - not "I can make you a skirt that looks like this one", and (c) does the website have some sort of organization & layout to it (if it's completely hap-harzard and hard to navigate, then they might run their business in the same way).
From everything I've heard about these ladies, their whole goal is to keep everyday dance items afforable for the everyday bellydancer. If they were to shell out the money for a website such as you're speaking of, Zira, then they'd have to raise their prices accordingly to keep their website functional.
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 10:45 AMPlease see the attached thread for more kudos about Ro & Rea.
tribes.tribe.net/bellyprai...f366fe6022
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:47 PMBy the way, they use all types of material. They will make your costume out of whatever material you want...satin, brocade, Panne' velvet, chiffon, the list goes on...
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 8:16 AMActually, I wan't being and don't intend to be a web page snob. Since Anyanka and others say this is a good vendor, I'll believe them. The one thing to think about is updating a website costs $$$; programmers aren't cheap -- I know, my son is a highly, highly paid IT guy. As far as I'm concerned, hiring someone to "improve" something that is already getting the message across will only increase business overhead, meaning costs till be passed on the consumer. Slick website vs. lower prices. I don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out! -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:47 PM*smiles*
It doesn't have anything to do with being a rocket scientist or not...but as an educated person I know that very often, cheap websites(cheap business cards, cheap advertising, poor quality pictures etc) mean they can't afford to have nice ones, which can in turn, mean they aren't making much money, which can in turn mean their product is not quality enough that people are buying it and therefore they can't afford a decent website. There are enough people here who have vouched for them that I do believe they are a good vendor, but just a small amount of tweaking could only help them, not hurt them. First of all, investing in a decent camera, and learning how to photograph items professionally can be learned in a day by doing a little online searching. Second of all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to make a nice website. Just something as simple as picking better colors, and arranging the page in a more eye pleasing way would make a much more attractive first impression. Nobody needs to hire some over paid IT guy for that LOL. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 4:43 AMYeah, the website part should be pretty easy as there are many free, open source CMSs (Content Management Systems) like ZenCart and OS Commerce that are easy to use and work with PayPal. Just switching to one of those would be a big help because when you are shopping online, what your website looks like is a big deal and does influence whether or not someone buys from you. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:11 AMZina & Sabre -- although it doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to put up a website, it does take a knowledgeable person to make a slick one like the ones you're talking about. After all, they already have a website up, so they figured out how to do it. Consider your own mom or grandma (not making a comment about age here, but more of a comment on technical knowledge) -- how slick of a website would they create?
I think it's a *massive* overstatement that *anyone* can just put up an e-commerce website & have it look sleek & professional on the level you're discussing. I can assure you that if my mom went into business for herself, she would not be able to put up something with ZenCart or even Etsy - she'd have me over doing it for her. Like Anyanka (or someone) said, these ladies' talent lies in sewing, not web design. So they'd have to hire (or beg/plead/trade) someone to do it for them.
And I also think that it's a misconception that every website is there for the specific purpose of e-commerce only. Maybe it's just informational. Maybe it simply decreases the number of phone calls & emails they get from local clients. Not every commercial website is there for e-commerce purposes, especially on a national scale. If that were their main or only client base, then yes, I would agree that it would be worth investing in & therefore raising their prices for. But it doesn't seem like that's their goal to me.
Anyanka -- personally, I think their site looks fine for what they're going for. Simple, informational & clean. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:00 AMThanks Bella. This is so true. Ro & Rea are mature women (Ro is a Grandmother of 9) who don't know alot about computers. In fact, Ro doesn't even own a computer. But they do know sewing. This website is their hobby, not their livelihoods. They are not well-to-do women. So, Ro's son (who is also not a techie) put something simple together for them so they could have some sort of web presence & maybe make a little bit of extra cash.
In this day & age of overpriced, well, EVERYTHING, I would think people would welcome the chance to purchase something that is actually affordable & not made in a sweat shop. Ro & Rea do not sew costumes just to make the allmighty buck. They enjoy meeting the people they are sewing for, making friends, & sewing things that make those who wear them feel pretty.
If someone must have an authentic glass-beaded Egyptian bedlah for a paid restaurant or professional perfomance, then I would say go to someone experienced in that type of costuming. But if you are looking for something affordable & pretty to wear to class, student or local low-key performances, or your next hafla, then Ro & Rea is the way to go.
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:16 AMThe question is, why should they care about a better first impression if they are already happy with the amount of profit they're making, and the amount of work that they are doing?
Many small business people get overwhelmed with just local/word of mouth costuming demands, especially around local show times. I am guessing that R and R are using this website to offload finished projects that they did for personal satisfaction. As such, increased demand for custom work from online shoppers, could cut into their time to work on projects for their favorite locals. -
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:35 AMActually they do care about 1st impressions. I happen to think their main page is bright & cheery & to the point. They started doing this so bellydancers could have something pretty to wear at affordable prices (which is not common these days). Sewing was a hobby for them both & they both loved bellydancing. Since the 2 hobbies fit together really well, they decided to sew pretty costumes & make a bit of money too.
As well as making costumes just to have on hand to sell at local shows & BD swaps (they are a repeat vendor at Yasmina's annual BD Yard Sale - www.joyofbellydancing.com), they have done costumes for dancers in the US and have a troupe in Canada who are repeat custom order buyers. Although they do sew things just to have around to sell, they love working with others to do custom orders. Because these ladies have been sewing since their teens (about 40-45 years each) their turn around time on making costumes is rather quick. In fact, if you are looking for easy to make items, such as unadorned harem pants or a simple unadorned top to wear to class, they can usually crank something out in an hour or two. -
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:51 PMI could have phrased my comment better.
Their website is just fine. Larger/clearer photos would be nice, but every other criticism I might have is just nitpicking.
The costumes on the site are clearly things the ladies made because they thought they would be cool costumes, and fun to make. They are not standardized costumes (ie, each identical to the next like L. Rose's line). While the ladies advertise for (and fulfill) custom orders, they also indulge their creativity by creating non-spec items to be sold online (or through other venues).
I'm not denigrating their work, or their business, or their website. I'm just saying it's a hobby-business, not a 70-hour-a-week expanding online store/fashion line (which would have a different business model).
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Re: Ro and Rea's Bargain Belly Dance Boutique
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:23 AMThank you Zira & Sabre for your suggestions. Once Ro & Rea have some free time, we will be looking at updating & enhancing their website.