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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 11:16 PMI predict a considerably shorter thread, as I don't see too many people eager to put their necks on the proverbial block here...I know I sure as hell don't want to. My dance community isn't that big...
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Sat, March 15, 2008 - 8:23 AMummm....slightly confused here... This thread is a re-vamp of the last one, right? As in, naming names not required, just what actions/behavior would make you boycott a teacher, correct?
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Sat, March 15, 2008 - 11:02 PMIf I found out she was undercutting other dancers. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:12 AMTempest-yepper.
"what would make me boycott a teacher would be..."
Or "I am actively boycotting a teacher b/c" then just stick to facts. Dont go on and on about a tale that only you and 3 girls in your town, on your side, will get, unless you plan to name names and state facts. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:17 AMIf she was unethical, treated people poorly, didnt run the A/C in hot summer months and only turned on a floor fan for the class. If she bemoaned anyone getting a cup of water in the summer, from the tap. If she held classes in her living room. If she was rude.
If she was a greedy person in it not for the love of dance but for the money for herself. If she followed students out to the parking lot or to their cars to ask for their registration money for the upcoming workshop for the 3rd time.
If she had no knowledge of history, technique, or physiology.
If she couldnt answer my questions or didnt bother to research the answers or at least point me in the right direction to get them.
If she wasn't compassionate, kind, supportive, and encouraging.
If she shit talked other dancers, teachers or students to me/class/others in the proximity.
If she ran shoddy business practices and failed to pay performers in shows she booked them for that she said they'd be paid for.
If I felt she didnt support the community on the whole, rather than singly, her own interests. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 11:11 AMDidn't show up for class and her students were waiting.
Cancelled class and didn't notify her students.
Cancelled class because only one person showed up.
Showed up, then decided that she didn't feel like teaching. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 2:13 AM........If she was a control freak....
One who doesn't let students dance solos at informal student haflas but has a solo slot for herself,
"Sacks" dancers for taking lessons from other teachers too,
Doesn't encourage any contact with other classes in the area,
Offers a course for teachers but doesn't give details or any info about how and with whom she trained,
Claims to have trained with world-renowned teachers but really means she's got their DVDs and doesn't name them anyway,
Is unsafe when teaching, using contra-indicated moves. How's about a deep backbend with a twist?!!
One who performs at a restaurant and thinks it's hilarious to pitch up with a group of friends, order a meal and several Bacardi Breezers, then walk out without paying.
Steering well clear!! :)
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 4:54 PMKahlea you just described an instructor I know. Took the words right out of my keyboard =)
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 5:33 PMI've loved taking classes from an instructor who opened her living room to her students when her usual teaching space was unavailable.
Also, in most parts of the country, AC is a luxury. If I had to choose between unairconditioned dance lessons in summer, and no dance lessons at all, I'd choose the unairconditioned ones.
And while following students to their cars to ask for money seems extreme on the surface, it would be different if the teacher was letting the student know she is forfeiting her workshop spot if she doesn't pay for it immediately! -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:12 AMWhat if we lived in AZ and it was summertime, when temps exceed 110?
And while following students to their cars to ask for money seems extreme on the surface, it would be different if the teacher was letting the student know she is forfeiting her workshop spot if she doesn't pay for it immediately!
I still would be put off it anyone followed me to my car to ask for money for workshops I never committed to attending. Send out an email or announce in class that it may be canceled but dont follow students to their cars. I think that would be tacky and unprofessional.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 2:08 PMWell, AZ is a different story, but one of the studios I attend has no AC to turn on, and they actually have to cancel class when the heat index gets too high. Another one has poor climate control, but the teacher is first rate. I'm sure she would work it out if there were medical issues, but generally class in "on" regardless of the heater/AC problems. I prefer to show up and sweat, than reschedule a whole class.
The whole "following students to their car to ask for money" thing is so weird, it sounded like something that actually happened. And my feeling on how professional it is (or isn't), depends entirely on what the other circumstances are. I can imagine several senarios in which it would be OK, and several in which it would be weird/overbearing/unprofessional.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 10:32 AM"If she bemoaned anyone getting a cup of water in the summer, from the tap."
Question, was she bemoaning an interruption of her class or the cost of the water? Not that either is a good reason to complain, we need hydration.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 10:46 AMGood ol' fashioned shoddy technique is enough to do it for me.
I also wouldn't take classes from a teacher who's too immersed in the drama of the local dance community. I'm human, I love a little gossip as much as the next person, but I do NOT want to become a pawn for that teacher's latest drama stunt. I would rather take lessons from a teacher who's maybe distanced herself a little bit from the rest of the dance community than from the ringleader of the Drama Llamas.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 6:57 PMWhat would make me boycott an instructor????
Story: When I was in junior high girls had to take home ec which included both sewing and cooking. One of my sewing projects involved a zipper which I just didn't get the installation. I was allowed to take it home where I asked my Mom to show me. Mom was/is a wonderful seamstress. Anyway, bless her heart, she just told me to move from the sewing machine and she installed it for me. To this day, I don't know how to put in a zipper.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 9:07 PMSorry, I'm not sure I get the analogy here... -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 5:48 AMIf I ask for help with XZY and an instructor just starts doing XYZ as if to show me how easy they can do it. Without instruction, that's not teaching, that's showing off.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 10:16 PMI would also like to add someone who is not good in the first place and teaches extremely poorly. If you watch a couple of performances, you can usually tell who's doing it write and who doesn't have a clue.
Also, teachers who lie on their resume (although I think someone covered it).
I'm also not a big fan of the "Some of my teachers include Rachel Brice, etc." when really they took a 4 hour workshop. I don't think I would boycott the teacher, but come on. 4 hours doesn't compare to 8 weeks. IMO -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:02 AMI second that, Rya. A 4-hour workshop does not equal weeks, months or years of training -- I really have a problem with someone listing what amounted to a workshop on their resume. I don't think you should list it unless it was a private class at the least, and even then if it's only for a few hours, it's sketchy. Other behavior that would make me boycott a instructor:
1) If they had been taking classes themselves for only a year or so before they started teaching others.
2) If they have not been performing professionally for at least a few years *before* they started teaching.
3) If they get defensive or hostile when you say you're also taking classes from another teacher -- a good teacher should feel secure enough in themselves to encourage you to expand your knowledge however you'd like to.
4) If they don't admit that they are not an expert on every style/type of belly dance. If they take the "I could teach you that too" route simply to try to make more money. Like a cabaret/raks sharqi teacher suddenly offering an ATS class because some students are interested in tribal & she took a seminar with Fat Chance once.
5) If they discourage a style that a student is interested in simply because it's not the style that they prefer or teach.
6) If they don't showcase their own students in *student* recitals or student numbers/performances. If they are always front & center in every *student* performance/number -- not giving the students some time to shine (& therefore allowing their students to become very dependent on playing follow-the-leader in choreographies with them in front all the time).
7) If they bring their personal baggage with other dancers/instructors/studios/festivals to the classroom; not letting the students develop their own relationships in the community untainted.
8) If they don't encourage their students to go to other dancer's events in the area, and generally don't support the local dance community as a whole (ie, don't offer fliers about local events, don't vocally advertise when seminars are presented, don't encourage their students to enter shows as a solo or group outside of the studio/school if the studio/school chooses not to attend, don't offer students alternatives of other teachers in the area who may be better trained in a certain specialty, etc).
9) If they don't offer constructive criticizm to help a student grow/learn. If they only say, "you're not doing it right, it should be like THIS" - without helping the student break it down so they can get there.
10) If they charge their students to be in a student troupe & if said funds only go toward *paying* the teacher to show up for rehearsal & don't go toward things like troupe costumes, rehearsal space rental & gas/trip expenses. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 3:35 PMI disagree with number two, Tempest. Some of the BEST teachers I know do not perform b/c they know they can dance well, but performing makes them VERY uncomfortable. They are phenomenal dancers with years of training, but they do not perform, and when they have, it was at very small venues. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 5:25 PMI agree...a professional performance history does not guarantee good teaching (or dancing, for that matter).
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 5:58 AMRom - I can see how that circumstance would be ok. I haven't run into a lot of that in my area - what I have run into, and what I was referring to, is someone who isn't very knowledgeable about staging or stage presence trying to teach performance to his/her students.
But, to be honest, I wouldn't boycott any teacher for just one of these offenses (unless he/she was causing physical harm to me or others) -- it would take a combination of a few to make me hit the door or scream "run for your lives!"
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 3:06 PMI have one, I have one! What is it in a student that makes an instructor cringe on site? LOL -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 3:32 PMShe always interupts the teacher to tell her that "so and so" taught it a different way. She comes to class wearing the smallest articles of clothing she can find and instead of dancing, she keeps checking herself out in the mirror. She walks in wearing the "I Dream of Genie" special that she bought at a local porn store. (You know, the see through pants and top with the matching thong? lol) She comes in late chewing gum loudly and talking on her cell phone loudly. She talks while the teacher is trying to teach.
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Re: What would or has made an instructor cringe everytime they see one of their students?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 6:13 PMLOL, yep, I had a couple of those =D
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:26 PMGod, those things make me want to cringe even as a fellow student! I hate when other girls show up wearing "sexy" stuff... I wish I could tell them, "You know what, if you want to wear stuff like that and do a seductive little dance for your hubby, whatever, what's behind closed doors isn't my business. But don't freakin' bring it out in public unless you're gonna bring the eye bleach with it!" Blech.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 3:55 PMWhen did you sneak into my class? Other than the mouthing off about other teachers doing it a way different than how I teach, I could swear you've met my problem children. Thankfully they got fed up and quit when I wasn't telling them how amazing they were and how they were both such "naturals" and instead insisted on actually trying to teach them which means correction. There was much joy when they left, from their fellow students...lol!!
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 6:26 PMHubby is calling me a pussy for not answering, so here goes.
1) Someone who claims that she is certified by a certain instructor but is only General Skills Certified.
2) Someone who wants the girls in her troupe to sign a contract that says they can't dance with anyone else for 5 years after they leave her.
3) Someone who stands in front of the class and watches herself in the mirror and rarely walks around to give suggestions.
4) Someone who is using bellydance more for the financial gain rather than enhancing the art.
5) Someone who looks down at you because you are dancing in a style that isn't as "grounded" as hers.
6) Someone who doesn't encourage her girls to go out and research things on their own, and spoon feeds them what only she wants them to know.
7) Someone who is fake or rude to the show coordinator and the other troupes at an event.
8) Someone who expects her girls to pay her to practice for a show and then receives none of the payment after a show.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:54 PMSomeone who allows her children to be rude to the children of other dancers.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:08 PMBy hubby came up with a great one for a student that makes you cringe. She walks in and immediately demonstrates how great she is at dancing by dropping it like it's hot. lol -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:11 PMSo, instructors do all the things that have been mentioned? I like my teacher alot. I wrote speaking in generality because I still can't put in a zipper. :) It's amazing that people do all those things and other people give them $$$$$$ to do it. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:16 PMI boycotted a teacher, make that several teachers in the local area because they fill you full of crap...
'Oh BD is for everyone, it doesn't matter how big or small you are, it doesn't care if you have flab' blah blah frickety blah.
Then when it comes to performance- choose skinny, *pretty* (I use the term lightly) dancers who can't remember the choreography-can't remember which hand is which-looks like a dead fish when performing-dances like a stripper.....over your fat self who knows the choreo's backwards, who could do them in her sleep....because you're and I quote 'Not What The Public Want To See-They Want To See Skinny Girls In Cute Outfits'.
I hate those kind of teachers. So I ask teachers flat out if they are full of it BEFORE I hand over my money, and I will talk to their students to find out if they have any prejudices. Make sure that us BBBD's get a chance to perform alongside our skinny sisters! -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:18 PMGood for you! Great advice too.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 6:00 AM<'Not What The Public Want To See-They Want To See Skinny Girls In Cute Outfits'>
Wow..... It's one thing for someone to thinkn that - but someone actually SAID that to you??? And lived??? -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 9:02 AMThere was a Greek restaurant here who wanted to find a new dancer(old dancer was moving). Two people were recommended and went there to meet them. They flat out said that one was too big to dance. I was shocked! Needless to say, I've never been there. I don't care how good their baklava is! -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 11:51 AMOh yeah. Two teachers have said that to my face.
They lived, but I warn anyone who is going to go and learn with them. I think its a disgusting practice to lie to your students to suck them into paying for your car and your rent and your troupes activities on the promise that once you're *good enough* (ie never) you'll get to perform- when you really have no intention of letting that happen.
Rya- good girl! Boycott them- and tell everyone you know. People need to vote with their wallets for social change- its the only way people will get the idea. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 3:17 PMAmara, I've heard that one too, from more than one person. Sometimes that's what the promoter says when they call for dancers. Last time that happened, I was the dancer they called and the guy asked me how old I was and what I looked like. I told him I could send him a picture and I did. Then, when I told him I was over forty, he got really quite. Needless to say they didn't hire me.
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:07 PMWhat's wrong with an instructor showing new students her skills (they are probably wondering anyway), plus when the teacher demonstrates, it usually gets the students excited about what they're going to learn! I do domonstrations in all my new classes at the end to show the choreography at hand, with no intention of showing anybody up or "dropping it like it's hot". If anyone thinks I'm showing off, then they can go take from someone else and take their baggage with them. I personally like to see my teachers "Show Off" because I admire them!
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 7:32 AMIf she made me sign a contract stating I wouldn't study under anyone else. Fuck that, I study with whomever I please, and try to learn as much as possible from as many as possible.
Also, if she told me or anyone, that they, being 200 lbs, would need to lose 40 pounds before studying with her.
happened to someone I know, and I will never take classes from either instructor because of it. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 10:58 AMI've heard of that too- a dancer who claims to accept larger dancers to get them in the door but only skinny people onstage.
Boycott-wise, I agree with all of the above, including:
Teachers that encourage crash dieting or cultlike behavior with their students.
I think all that was probably already covered though. -
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Re: What would or has made you boycott an instructor?
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:16 AMI'm also not a big fan of the "Some of my teachers include Rachel Brice, etc." when really they took a 4 hour workshop. I don't think I would boycott the teacher, but come on. 4 hours doesn't compare to 8 weeks. IMO
hear hear! yesssssssssssss
I recently read a bio that said someone "studied" with me. I had no recollection who she was. Later I learned she took a free demo class from me. Yikes!
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