This is kind of related to dance, though it's not a problem I have in dancing as much as in music. I'm a cellist & I have THE WORST time memorizing music. I can memorize it but once anyone else is in the room, it all goes out the window and then I have to go back to the beginning of the movement or section because I have apparently only mastered SERIAL memory. Someone recommended I try to improve my random access memory (to use computer terminology) and that seems like a great idea, but how? Any ideas? This isn't as much of a problem in dance because I have the music to cue me, but when it's just me...
Come on brainiacs, you can surely think of something to help. :-)
Come on brainiacs, you can surely think of something to help. :-)
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Re: serial memory vs random access memory
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:14 PMOoh, I think I just came up with something. I'm practicing two bar sections from the end backwards.. so last two bars, then the two before that... This might be helpful. Any other ideas would be appreciated! -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:09 PMYour approach is pretty funny - I was having problems retaining info in my Kafka class (I have an extremely poor memory to begin with) and I found that going backwards or starting at the end really helped me retain (started at final paragraph, and moved progressively - or regressively? - to the beginning) ...
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:21 PMWhen I am home this weekend I will pull out my Neuropsychology textbooks and see what they have to say about it. I know I studied all kinds of stuf about memory but darned if I can remember it all at the moment!
I do know that one very effective technique is association. It can take all kinds of forms, from associating words you need to memorize with pictures, making a story out of them, etc.
As for music without words, though.....I know repetition is effective (both listening and playing over & over & over).
This looks like a good web page with tips about how to memorize music:
www.robertkelleyphd.com/memory.htm
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:13 AMI am a bassoonst, and I used to have a hard time memorizing music. A couple of tricks an old teacher taught me:
* Do what you're doing -- play the last 2 bars, the last 4, the last 6, gradually working your way back.
* Don't start rehearsing at the beginning of the piece, but at section breaks/movement changes and play to the end (of the section or the piece)
* After that, keep your music handy, then start at a random measure and play to the end (of the section/piece) and then loop to the beginning and play to the point where you began
* For getting tricky rhythms under your fingers, vary the rhythm (if it's a passage of 8th notes, play them as dotted-8ths & 16ths and vice versa). Then play it backwards. Then do forward rhythm variations some more.
* Practice in a different place. If you usually rehearse in one particular place in your house, go to a different room, go outside, play in the bathroom (great acoustics!), in the stairwell, anyplace to mix up the setting for your brain.
* Invent a story to go along with the piece, and imagine it in your head as you play. As you're going through the plot you'll be less likely to leave a bit out, because as you associate the piece with events, and you know what sequence of events is necessary for the story, it'll be easier to recall the "soundtrack." (Sounds cheesy, I know, but it worked wonders for me once!)
* And finally, and most importantly, don't beat yourself up over having trouble memorizing. If you get angry with yourself all the time, you're setting yourself up to be afraid of failing, which makes you paranoid, and makes it more difficult to let go and play.
I hope some of that helps! I know it can be a real pain to memorize a long piece. -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:19 AMOoh, Bashat, I do #4 all the time for fast stuff. I know it as "Galamian rhythms." Good stuff.
I've been watching myself in the mirror as I play from memory, which messes my brain up & I think will be a good tool, too.
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:22 AMHow's your music theory? Not that you'd have to have the piece analyzed to the nth degree, but I sometimes find it helpful to memorize a piece based on its motives/subjects, countersubjects, and harmonic progressions (at least, their general goals or arrivals...like "The first section begins and ends in CM I, the episode takes it to am...goes through the circle of fifths with such-n-such arpeggiated pattern" etc.)
Although, sometimes, it doesn't work so well for me. My brain got stuck on a motive and wanted to modulate to the wrong key when doing a Vivaldi sopranino recorder concerto. I was hoping a bystander would come up on stage and kick me to get me unstuck. -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:25 AMWell I have a couple o' masters degrees in music so I've certainly studied enough theory but it was always very difficult for me. I can analyze the music but it's not really how my brain works & I don't know if it would help me remember it. I can try, though, -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:36 AMYeah, mine functions more on the possibility of progressions, so improv works great, but memorization of larger works - not so much. I have a pipe organ student who has encyclopedic recall if he memorizes harmonic progression, so I guess it works for some.
I was really relieved when one of my former instructors who was big on the performance circuit said that he thought too much was put into the memorization of a piece. He would rather give or listen to a great performance done with music than a good one done without. So I haven't worked too hard on memorizing anything. Although I do mostly chamber stuff, not too many concerti anymore... -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:50 AMI totally agree & normally wouldn't bother doing it w/o the music. I'm performing a Bach suite with a dancer, though, and I feel like it might make me seem disconnected if I were looking at music. I dunno.
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Re: serial memory vs random access memory
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 8:49 AMI have the same problem so, alas, I can be no help. Good luck though.
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