Walking the Talk

topic posted Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:49 PM by 
I'm now 5 months into a relationship with someone who seriously rocks my world in almost every sense. However, much of my initial attraction was born from conversations we had regarding pushing the boundaries of our sexuality together. In these conversation we've been able to delve into some pretty intense fantasies and role playing, but the reality has been much different. *sigh*

Essentially, what he says he wants and what he offers have rarely matched up to what he actually asks for or gives. I am now officially frustrated (and a little disappointed). I keep trying to move in the direction of our conversations, i.e., fulfilling fantasies and testing boundaries, while he seems complacent and satisfied with a very vanilla sexual life. And yes, I have discussed this with him. But no, it's not really changed anything. He has his same 3 tricks and doesn't seem willing (in reality) to venture forth into anything else except in conversation.

Help.

-K
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  • Re: Walking the Talk

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 6:18 PM
    Sometimes when I'm asked to describe a sexual act, in words and in writing, I generally hesitate, reason being, I have to be able to actually perform it.

    Now, I'm no slouch when it comes down to brass tacks, but before I open my mouth and put my foot in it, I generally do the act and keep quiet and wait for the reaction, lol!

    So, words are cheap. It is time for him to open up to new things, or you have to make a decision on what you want to do.

    Sebastian
  • Re: Walking the Talk

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:13 PM
    i hope this doesn't come off too harsh but many times when one is courting another they will say they are into just about anything in order to make that person feel there is a bond. i don't think it's necessarily intentional (though some do it on purpose) i just think it is the nature of the beast. one says they are into something. the other thinks they might be so they go ahead and say they are to continue to create attraction and a bond. unfortunately when it gets down to the nitty gritty we sometimes find out that yes, they were all talk and no action. at that point you have a decision to make...
  • Re: Walking the Talk

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 8:25 PM
    If he's not getting around to doing the stuff you guys have discussed, did he talk about why not?

    Maybe he's a little nervous about fucking it up if it's something that is a little bit complicated and that he hasn't tried before.

    Some guys need a little more encouragement that others.

    And some guys just need it drummed (nicely) into their head a little more than others.
    I know I'm pretty impressionable, but it sometimes takes a while for my partner's ideas to kind of filter down to the right level in my brain so that I begin to really consider them as a potential reality.

    Maybe you could say you'd like to try something and check in with him about how he feels about it; if he's down for it, maybe even consider setting a date for it? Or would that be too unspontaneous?
  • "Just Say 'Next!'"

    Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:38 PM
    That's my sweetie's advice for situations like this.

    You say he rocks your world. Sounds to me as though he's rocking you to sleep.

    You don't have much invested in this. I'd be one thing if he was working on getting to being who he said he was. But he ain't. "I'm sorry, I was so attracted to you that I exaggerated my experience; but let's try doing it," would be one thing. But not trying? That's a loser, not a keeper.

    Cut your losses and move on. Find someone who will really give you what you really want.
    • Re: "Just Say 'Next!'"

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:58 AM
      Oh, I would give it more of a chance than that!

      To find somebody who is a good match in your fantasy lives is a pretty significant thing, worth investigating and developing.
      The guy should be able to at least identify what he would be comfortable trying in actuality, and what he might not be so comfortable with, and give the whys and why nots.

      There are just some things that a guy is going to have to overcome some initial inhibitions about - even if those same things become like second nature later. When he first tries them, he's going to be asking himself , "Is this *really* ok?" And then, after that envelope is pushed back, he has to figure out where the new boundaries are in terms of what his partners limits are.

      And there's a learning curve for a lot of things that, for safety's sake, should be undertaken slowly and with patience on both partner's parts. Maybe the guy feels like he's supposed to jump in with both feet and exhibit immediate facility when really what he needs is a more experimental, playful sort of classroom like learning atmosphere, along with those kinds of encouragements.
  • Re: Walking the Talk

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:21 AM
    Maybe he's too shy to actually carry through on his fantasies? It sounds like you've done everything possible to bring him out of his shell, so I wouldn't count on his attitude changing.

    I had a friend who always seemed like the horniest guy alive. He was always talking about sex and had a plethora of sexual fantasies that he had either fulfilled or was trying to fulfill. His wife confided in me once over the phone that they had the most boring sex life imaginable and that my friend rarely wanted to have sex. Some guys are more talk than action.
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      Re: Walking the Talk

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:46 AM
      'His wife confided in me once over the phone that they had the most boring sex life imaginable and that my friend rarely wanted to have sex. Some guys are more talk than action.'
      The flipside of that story*no, I am not that person, lol* is that a guy can have so many variations of sex that when a person wants vanilla sex; it puts them off. I went through that in the beginning with my wife, as I went from whatever thing I craved to a mellow tamed down version because my love for her was/is stronger than my desire to have whatever new kick I would get on. Add to that; there wasn't much left for me to fulfill that I craved.
      Had someone talked to her back then*if she were willing to answer* I would presume she would have said the same thing.
      It took awhile for me to adapt and as my blog stated earlier; I sometimes have a rough moment with that.
      However, I remember the love, compare it to the desire and I am *back in check*.
      'was trying to fulfill'
      This case above didn't apply. I was simply bored with sex and fighting my normal modes of sex.
      Where one faults, they should try wearing another's shoes.
      Nowadays, I have a new desire, as.....love conquers all difficulties.
      Betcha.....
      didn't see that honesty coming, lol.
      • Re: Walking the Talk

        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:07 PM
        In the beginning it was exciting because you communicated. The two of you talked about sex. try communicating again. You brains are your largst sex organs, use them and see where it leads.
        • Re: Walking the Talk

          Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:28 AM
          First I want to say there are a lot of people in general that have some ideas of things they want to try sexually but when it comes to the reality they turn away. People do that in all sorts of part so of their lives (ie; let's remodel the bathroom--then it never happens).

          I think it's really important to point out that sex often seems to be such a big deal in relationships and lots of people are so mismatched in that. There is everything from the various acts people enjoy to the frequency they occur. We're all too different to always match up with our partners in that department.

          My solution or suggestion to your problem here? Well, if it's that important to you to try some of the things this guy said he'd do then looks like you just need to initiate them, just like someone else pointed out. I didn't have oral sex with my ex husband until I brought it up 23 years into our relationship. Take a firm hand and lead! This may be your catch of a lifetime that just needs a little push.
  • Re: Walking the Talk

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:15 AM
    I know EXACTLY what you are talking about here K!
    I was involved in a a relationship recently that (thankfully) ended on a very bad note.
    But during the 8 1/2 months that the girl and I was dating and living together and even prior to that when we had a long distance relationdhip?
    She would ask me about the things I had done with previous partners and some of the fun I enjoyed...which were FFM and MFM Three-somes, Group Settings and when with a special Couple I am VERY good friends with? Dp too (Dp is Double Penetration where 2 Men transform the lovely Lady Vixen into the Ultimate Human Sandwich).
    For the longest time she would tell me..."Oh Yeah baby! I would totally love to do a Three-some with you and I and another Girl together; I would love to see you with another Woman baby while I watch; I would love to have you give me Anal; Let's have fun with another Couple in the same room; Let's do ALL the freaky things you can come up!" Blah Blah Blah...
    In all actuality? She was a total Prude, totally Conservative in the bedroom and had serious Insecurity issues too!! Even though I was ok with having and being devoted to Her and JUST her and never ONCE did I contemplate cheating on her whatsoever....
    I guess one of the (MANY) things that bothered me so much now that I look back on it all? It was the whole dishonesty thing....saying things that were totally not true and then also being VERY hypocritical about Sex-related issues
    • Re: Walking the Talk

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:50 AM
      Maybe some people take a much longer period of time to emotionally bond with another in order for them to feel comfortable exploring their fantasies with their partners, particularly the more "challenging" ones. Others will simply fly by night and do anything with anyone that happens along with no emotional bonding required. There are probably a few shades of grey between these two "types" of sensibilities.

      Oh yeah: Vanilla is really an alright and very satisfying flavor sometimes....

      as is Rocky Road, Mocha Almond Fudge; Chocolate Peanut Butter Cup, Neopolitan, Pistachio, etc at others.....

      and don't we all have our preferences?

      Don't we all try new things in our own ways in in our own time?

      ~V~
    • Re: Walking the Talk

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:51 PM
      I suppose my biggest issue with all of this is how *far* he would go in discussions coupled with telling me how I have "no idea" just how kinky he really is...often in response to something I would bring up and he would sort of dismiss it as not all that kinky. I thought to myself, "Yeah baby, now here's a man that knows a thing or two. I can't wait to learn!"

      I even told him on several occasions that one of my biggest fantasies was to give my partner full and complete control of the reigns of my own sexuality (with a clear safe word, of course) and his response was tell me I had no idea what I'm in for. Now I'm thinking he has no idea...at all. We only see each other maybe once a week and each time we're together we spend more time talking about what we want to do together (and with others) than actually doing much of anything. Thus far my favorite sexual experience with him wasn't even particularly kinky, but definitely fun and outta-tha-box. We basically just played...but kinda rough, each of us swapping dom/sub roles but with lots of wrestling to the ground and holding each other down and laughing a lot and finally fucking. I loved the silliness of doing that with him, and I loved teh eager anticipation of knowing we were gonna fuck but not knowing who was gonna *win* each round and what we might do to the *loser*.

      In any case, I'm just kinda bored now. I bring these thigns up to him and he still says, "Yeah! Let's do it!", but when the moment arrives he just sticks with the same ol, same ol. So I shake it up a bit by introducing new toys, or catching him by surprise or calling him while I'm with an unexpected female lover and while his verbal responses are always positive, his physical responses are pretty much always the same. We begin [this] way, try [that] for a little while and end with [the other]. Always. It also doesn't help that I tend to go down on him at least once but up to several more times every time we're together. but he's only gone down on me 3 times ever...though he says he loves pussy. Perhaps if I had another more regular partner to satisfy me then I wouldn't feel so frustrated with him as my primary, cuz we really DO have a number of other amazing connections and bonds that mean as much, perhaps more, to me as our sexual connection.

      -K
      • Re: Walking the Talk

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:00 PM
        Then yer gonna have to be both nice and rather more direct again with him:

        "Hey Loverboy, what's up with the disconnect between what you say you wanna do and what we are doing?"

        "I'm finding it increasingly frustrating because I really wanna be doing some of those things with you but we're not doing them...at all"

        Lean on him: he needs to be pushed, at the very least for an explanation.

        ~V~
      • Re: Walking the Talk

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:08 PM
        Ah... okay. The picture seems a little clearer now. It sounds to me as if he likes fantasies, but doesn't neccessarily desire, or know how, to make his fantasies a reality.

        More disturbing to me than the fantasy issue is the fact that he's only gone down on you a few times, whereas you've been quite generous (to the point that I'm really envious) in this area. He sounds either selfish, lazy or both.
        • Re: Walking the Talk

          Tue, May 13, 2008 - 6:41 AM
          some people are more comfortable in their head than in real life - and there is the bigger more confident and capable us in most of us that is in our head, who always knows the right ripost, wins all the prizes and never makes mistakes. Psychotics make castles in the sky, neurotics live in them and psychologists collect the rent!
          xxx
          Ian
      • Re: Walking the Talk

        Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:27 AM
        Well , your guy may just be a spud, but if you are getting together only once a week, maybe it's a time when he's just tuckered out.
        Like, if sex is the last thing on the list that day, after work, the kids, shopping, cooking, mowing the lawn, doing the taxes, etc, etc., maybe he's just not got the right energy to be explorative.
        I know my energy tends to be more forward directed and active from noon to six, say, and after that it's more diffused and random, and I'm sorta puttering around or reading a book or something.

        If he hasn't at least made some playful or tentative explorations around your proposed idea about power exchange, though, then that would seem a little odd. Not everything requires *that* much energy.

        Anyhoo, more generally speaking, here maybe is a good opportunity to pimp the idea of a "BDSM checklist". It's not strictly for enthusiasts, necessarily. It's a great way (in my estimation) to bring up a plethora of diverse conversational topics relating to pleasure and/or pain and all sorts of other stuff. It's fun to do, even if it doesn't turn out to serve a practical purpose.

        If interested, Google "bdsm checklist", probably at least 3 or 4 versions will pop up. Choose whichever one seems most complete, or the most interesting.

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