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I don't know if anyone else here happened to catch Dr. Phil on Friday. Now, I don't like that show but happened to find out the show was going to have something to do with swingers. I admit that I missed the first 20 minutes but apparently Dr. Phil talked to a couple that swings and does it consenusally and happily.
Then he brings on the emotional couple--which really had nothing to do with swingers. The couple had been married six years, I believe. Over the last few years the husband has been telling his wife how he wanted a threesome--he longed to see her having sex with another man. The wife, however, was disgusted and repulsed by the idea. The husband brought up the subject constantly as it is such a huge fantasy of his and consistantly the wife said no.
Then he brings it up one day when a male friend is over and the wife figures it will shut him up if she just does this. She went on to describe that it was a horrible experience. She felt bad, had to go take a bath and cry her heart out. She let her husband know that this hurt her terribly--yet he continues to nag her and talk about threesomes.
So along these lines, Friday I chatted with a guy about threesomes--something he's done often with other couples. He said that so many times he's felt like the woman had been coerced and he didn't like that feeling at all. I couldn't believe my ears--after seeing that Dr. Phil show and then hearing this..wow.
So does anyone have anything to comment on this? Any experiences of their own?
Then he brings on the emotional couple--which really had nothing to do with swingers. The couple had been married six years, I believe. Over the last few years the husband has been telling his wife how he wanted a threesome--he longed to see her having sex with another man. The wife, however, was disgusted and repulsed by the idea. The husband brought up the subject constantly as it is such a huge fantasy of his and consistantly the wife said no.
Then he brings it up one day when a male friend is over and the wife figures it will shut him up if she just does this. She went on to describe that it was a horrible experience. She felt bad, had to go take a bath and cry her heart out. She let her husband know that this hurt her terribly--yet he continues to nag her and talk about threesomes.
So along these lines, Friday I chatted with a guy about threesomes--something he's done often with other couples. He said that so many times he's felt like the woman had been coerced and he didn't like that feeling at all. I couldn't believe my ears--after seeing that Dr. Phil show and then hearing this..wow.
So does anyone have anything to comment on this? Any experiences of their own?
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 3:51 PMEh, huh. I've been part of several threesomes and nobody was ever coerced. I don't know anybody who was ever part of a threesome they felt they were coerced into participating in. I can't tell you stats, because I'm not even sure there's been ANY research on this topic, but that has certainly not been my personal experience. -
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 4:13 PMI have a fantasy of being coerced into a threesome... -
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 5:21 PMIs it really coercion if you want it to happen?
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Sun, January 27, 2008 - 4:48 PMI've been in a couple threesomes, but I promise...I was NOT coerced(did I spell that right?lol)!!! I think married swinging is the way to go if that's what you are into...but it is NEVER cool to feel forced into ANYTHING especially sex!!! No is NO!!! And the asker needs to quit askin once you're told NO!!! But I've enjoyed the hell outta experiences.
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 5:14 PMOK the threesomes we have been involved in, was always my wife who initiated it, there was diffidently no coercing part of it.
It was all a very great experiences. Brought our marriage even closer together.
So Kelly you haven't told your opinion, or if you had any experience with any threesomes. Inquiring minds want to know :-) -
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 5:31 PMI enjoy meeting a couple for what we all can enjoy out of a 3some. They can be very sensual and I like to bring them closer together also. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 7:37 AMI have been in a few threesomes myself. A few times with my ex-wife and another guy and another lady, many times with a girlfriend and a few of her lady friends, and on a pretty regular basis with a married couple I am friends with. None of them were bad and there was no after effects with attitudes. If someone does it just to make their partner happy and to shut them up then that expereince WILL not be a good one for them. You have to have the right attitude otherwise the experience will suck (no pun intended).
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Mon, January 28, 2008 - 8:26 AMOh gosh... Someone agreed to have sex and then didn't like the sex...boo-hoo...
I can tell you that if the three-way was between that woman, Jake Gyleenhaal, and myself she'd be singing like an opera diva...
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 2:47 PMI would never get involved in a situation unless everybody said they wanted to, and it felf like they wanted to, and they acted like they did, etc. What I was taught is " If its not an obvious "yes", its a clear "no"."
I was in a series of laboratory courses where exercises and homework were mostly two women and a man, and it was terrific - I had three lifetime best experiences. It seemed like the energy flowed back and forth and the two ladies acted like amplifiers of each other's turn-on. [One of the most important ground rules of the course was that no one was to do anything they didn't want to do]. There was always a hand or pair of hands to help with a pillow or squeeze some lube or refill a wine glass. Also having three people there kept everything very "clean" - everybody was always on their best behavior cause there was always a third party (witness) present. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 8:57 PMDr. Phil is like all the other day time talk show hosts... He's after ratings, while at the same time he is appeasing his sponsors who of course in turn wish to "appear" as if they support a moral agenda that will keep the largest portion of their market happy. So Dr. Phil can't have an episode about swingers being great people, or that their lifestyle may indeed be alright for some... However he can give "both sides", even if the one "side" basically has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
The threesome couple simply sounds like a catalyst to make all the right wingers who watch the show feel vindicated at the end, as well as the group who may have felt like they were missing out on a good thing...
So he made the swingers happy by airing an episode that gave them some airtime, the "wanna be's" happy because they felt that perhaps they are are actually smart for playing it safe, and the right wingers happy by showing the moral pitfalls of the lifestyle...
Well this ends my sociology lesson on Dr. Phil... but basically that is how all daytime talk shows walk the line and make everyone "happy" (Ie. sated), while never really given any real insight, or serious discussion into an issue. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 10:09 PMThis wasn't meant to be a discussion about Dr. Phil...it just gave me something to think about and poke and prod others for info, thoughts and ideas--which has worked. I hate Dr. Phil, he's annoying, but I had to see how that subject was presented.
So someone asked about MY experience.
My first threesome was me finding a cute guy and bringing him to my guy as a birthday present. I really enjoyed the attention that I received and especially liked making eye contact with my guy and seeing him smile at me. It was a good day. Later on the guy said he really wasn't interested in doing that again as he wasn't into the BDSM aspect as much as he thought he would be--but he said "I'd love to see YOU again!" Great for the ego, I tell ya!
Since that time we've played many times with another guy (husband is bi). As time has worn on, I'm not quite as interested to get involved in the actual sex and it's always an option open to me. It's not a real biggie to me either way. I'm currently in a mode where I just wanting sex with my guy alone since we really don't have much time and energy for that--let alone someone else. Only problem is that I don' t have a penis which he craves so we try to mix it up.
In our perfect world we are going to meet a bi guy who will become our shared lover. It's not an impossible goal. -
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 1:42 AMThreesomes, yes. I have been seduced by a couple of ladies on several occasions, and a couple on two other occasions with my ex. (4-ways).
I can see how a woman will "try" a 3-way to please her guy. I have heard a couple of ladies say that they tried it and it definitely WAS NOT for them. No one mentioned wanting to stop in the middle of the act or anything like that. I've done things beyond my comfort zone to please my woman and it has always been "No" means "No" from men or women. I worry about the woman who maybe drinks too much and, after giving in to her B friends wants, joins in on a 3-way and wakes up with regret. I've regretted things myself..... =-/ -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 6:53 AMoh..drinking too much WILL lessen the inhibitions, for sure, and make us do things we could later regret. That's how I found myself on the bed with two men (one my husband) another stopping by for a little penis play. While I didn't regret this experience at all since these were friends and it WAS a sex party and we DID use a condom, it still was out of character for me. I always say drinking makes me wanton--and very sluttish. That's why I try to just sip wine these days at parties instead of the 1/2 bottle of vodka I downed that time. Next time it may not be friends with whom I find myself entangled.
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:06 PMWell I diffidently my first time it was my wifes suggestion. Was with her best fried, and her husband (guess you would call that a 4-way) -
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:01 PMI would venture that I know you well enough to realize that Dr. Phil was not your main issue, but TV shows like his just make me want to rant a bit... *Laugh*
As for threesomes... well message me sometime and I shall go into more detail. I don't discuss my personal views on many issues in threads because I have family members who "patrol" Tribe and Myspace waiting to pounce on unsuspecting plebeians such as myself... Yeah I could confront them, but the effort simply isn't worth it, and I find it more satisfying to keep some secrecy to my life anyhow. They are sad individuals who need our pity.
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 8:25 PMThe trick to avoiding those pesky family members is to set up a separate account from which to discuss matters unpolitical.
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I've got this sudden urge to matriculate.
Wed, January 30, 2008 - 11:47 AMDamn. They never offered classes like that at any of my schools.
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Wed, January 30, 2008 - 8:50 PMThe very first time I was ever in a threesome, the other gal was definitely coerced though it took me a little while to figure it out. At one point she reached over and put her hand on my back, realized it was *my* back, said "Oh excuse me!" and pulled back. I knew right then that I was in the wrong place. When her boyfriend left briefly to go to the restroom, she practically *begged* me not to have intercourse with him... Hey, no problem! I just wanted out of there - unfortunately it was my bedroom and I was by no means confident enough to stand up and change the situation. Mind you, we were kids - 15 (me, and still a virgin), she 16 and he 18 - and nothing really went on.
The next threesome I got involved with went MUCH better, I assure you! *Grin* -
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 7:38 AMReading this made me think of tribe and the realization of where we are.... it seems we tribers are here on sexual themed tribes because we are comfortable or interested in well.... socially deviant forms of sexuality, for lack of a better term... and our opinions are accordingly in line. There are so many people in "more traditional" forms of relationships and sexual experiences and 3somes and the like are way out of their comfort zones.
I would bet in some redder states and smaller towns even bringing up such a thing might raise some eyebrows and maybe even draw some scorn. -
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 5:40 PMI wouldn't say 'deviant'. Alternative is a better word.
> it seems we tribers are here on sexual themed tribes because we are comfortable or interested in well.... socially deviant forms of sexuality, for lack of a better term...
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 8:06 AMYeah... alternative is more PC maybe but deviant sounds more fun to me...
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Fri, February 1, 2008 - 12:55 PMMeh, our interests ARE deviant. Deviant doesn't mean bad, and I have no idea when it was that folks started thinking that's what it meant. Deviant littlerally means different. We deviate from the practices of our mainstream culture. -
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 1:58 PMI like to deviate... -
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Sat, February 2, 2008 - 6:12 AMI like the one to one situation. If you are involved in to many things at the end you don't do anything right !!! -
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Sat, February 2, 2008 - 10:19 AMEvery threesome I've had has been either therapeutic or cathartic or deep on some level. I can remember all the threesomes I've had.
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Mon, February 4, 2008 - 7:36 AMHeh, maybe *you*
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Thu, January 31, 2008 - 5:53 PMi have had my fun with mmf threesomes. now that i have become more emotional about my guy, the thought of another guy touching me repulses me. now i cant say that if the situation were ripe that i would turn it down.
with ffm threesomes, im not very secure in my emotion with my guy to let everything go, we have had one, and i was ok with it. kind of funny how it turned out actually. but id have to let go of issues, and or set up stricked rules before hand. nothing major, but just things that would make me feel better. maybe in time ill be able to let go of my issues.
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 9:57 AM*Chuckling to self*, coerced..ha, there was some desire to be a part of it or they simply wouldn't participate. There is a bigger chance of feeling left out I would think. I've had a few three ways of both configurations in my life time and for the most part liked them all, some I would have spent the rest of my life with. But alas, even I who despise *jealousy* and all the maturations of it, fell to it when my GF went out of town with one of our friends, a lady. I was so sticken I never spoke to her again and was married to another infour months. Impulsive I guess...ahhh what could have been. lol Don't allow any of the participents t feel left out....ever! You are a radically cool woman Kelly. I like. -
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Sun, February 3, 2008 - 7:48 AM*Chuckling to self*, coerced..ha, there was some desire to be a part of it or they simply wouldn't participate.
Right, because women (or people in general) never do something they'd rather not just because they're afraid of displeasing their loved one, or they're too freaked out that they'll lose the relationship, or whatever. Don't get me wrong--I've had lots of awesome threesomes (MMF, FFM, FFF), and my assumption is that most times, everyone's there for fun. But anytime I hear "Oh, you wouldn't have done it if you didn't want to, you're just lying," all my feminist, date-rape sensors go up. Should women be empowered to always know what they want, say it clearly, and say "no" when their boundaries are crossed? Of course. Do they always? Sadly, no. It's a rather short conceptual hop from "she wouldn't have been in that three-way if she didn't want to" to "she wouldn't worn that skirt if she didn't want me to assault her." -
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Sun, February 3, 2008 - 12:31 PMMaybe, but the cavern is very wide and deep. Besides I'm not clear on your statement, are you saying I may be incorrect on y assumptions? Grated, I may be, my experience has shown me that people that don't want to be in, or try, a threesome are there because of curiousity, sexual desire, pleasure, fun and so forth. I'm not so sure that these notions apply to a *short skirt, she must want to*, not at all. Now if she weras some leather and is holding some handcuffs in her hand, it may be another story..*smiling*.
Sweet thoughts are my mantra today.
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Re: When it comes to threesomes
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 1:42 AMWhile I did not view the referenced broadcast, I have had some experience with threesomes.
Strangely enough, my first experience was with two other women. I was a relative novice at it and didn't know what to do... so I basically did what they told me to do. Both women helped undress me, then lay me down on the bed. Both pairs of hands began caressing and touching me all over. They kept telling me what they were going to do to me next and kept asking how it felt to have different parts of my body played with at the same time. To tell you the truth, I was a little nervous... but never coerced… and I was so wet by that time that it didn't even matter anymore. Everything they did to me, they did together and they kept asking if I like it. After a while, one of them acted as my teacher and told me what to do with the other woman. Then, we switched around. God, it was so hot.
Later, in subsequent fff and ffm, encounters, it was I who did the “instructing” and I derived a great deal of pleasure from it. In fact, the kinkier those encounters grew, the more I seemed to enjoy it. I suppose in some small way you could attribute my later interest in BDSM to many of those experiences.
Threesomes with couples in a committed relationship can be a real turn-on -- with the right people and under the right circumstances.
I had one threesome experience where the husband insisted on watching his bi-curious wife. That she was uncomfortable made me uncomfortable and the whole thing ended up to be a one giant disappointment for both of us.
There was another where the husband insisted on watching. His wife wasn't thrilled about the idea but agreed to it anyway. Well, when it eventually turned out that she became more interested in being with me than with him, he became jealous and regretted ever having "watched" in the first place.
On the plus side, I had a experience last winter where a bi-curious wife and I actually mapped out her entire fantasy -- the clothes she pictured each of would wear, the bar setting she imagined where (as complete strangers) I would run into her and her husband, what we would say to one another and how I would "make a move on her" in front of everyone, the kind of hotel room accommodations we would arrange, the bath and full-body massage I would give her, the choice of wine, the scented candles, the seductive lingerie she picked out for me to wear, the dance I performed for her, the toys, the oils, the touching, her husband's later participation, and everything else. Seeing how it made her feel to actually live out that fantasy made it one of the hottest experiences I ever had.
Although I would not come to learn the truth about it until some time after the encounter, I also participated in a threesome with a mother and daughter and, at another point in time, with a brother and sister (which I did know about up front)… but I’ll save those accounts for another time.