lol...

in all the visions and all the communion with spirit that created this body of work the way it was always told to me was that bioregional animism was my child. ive watched it grow up and indeed its a village that raises a child. and like i said just like any child you dont own it, but you protect the child and nurture the child, and even though you do not own your child, the child is still yours.

I have also ALWAYS been very careful not to confuse my animism and how i practice with what ive tried to accomplish with bioregional animism which is a way for people to establish their own relationships that are unique to them and their bioregion. I see that as my child inspiring others to have their own children. Hes a BRAt though... if you have not noticed...

hmmmmmm.....that's a strange way to walk into the room.......

It's like a cold winter solstice wind just blew in the door.......

LMFAO!

"You have some very valuable ideas LLB, but you are a bit too into self promotion for my taste. I especially do not appreciate how you constantly get down on people for trying to make some cash selling books or promoting healing services but I see that it is OK for you to do it with a shamanic practice? "

yeah i make loads of money exploiting indigenous peoples as well as peoples desire to have intimate connections with spirit and the land... i think i might even be able to retire at an early age... bilking people for all they are worth is really my main motive... i also sell snake oil and toad venom stones... ( well the last one is true...heheh)...

and i get down on lots of folks that write books and have healing practices is they are taking away my business when it comes to exploiting indigenous spirituality and such i dont really want any competition!
my shamanic practice consist of working with friends and family and thats it... ive never made a damn dime. not that there is anything wrong with making a dime mind you... i would love to make a dime even a penny every once and a while would be nice... because its hard to continue the work when people dont know how to lend assistance to keep the work going... but its why people wish to make a dime doing this work, writing books and having "healing" practices that ive questioned... their motives and integrity, what they are teaching isnt as important as why? there are lots of folks out there that make a lot of money deluding people... and i do not have a problem being a harsh critic of that thanks... mostly because ive seen the damage that some of those actually quite powerful people have done...aint pretty...



theres a lot of people on this tribe ive encouraged to write books... theres a lot of people on this tribe who have healing practices.... ask them how ive really discouraged them and disempowered them and criticized them for doing so...

im self promotional eh? lol you and B crack me up...
why dont you tell me what my motives are, why im here what i get out of what i do, tell me about my lack of integrity and self centeredness... tell me about my desire to be important and to make loads of money... why dont you tell me about that because you seem to have me already figured out... talk to me about my hipocracy...

you know what my shamanic practice has consisted of working my ass off at a dead end job and giving all the money i make away so that others can be well, keeping nothing for my self and eating out of dumpsters, living on the sidewalk with an open heart doing everything i could to help people... my freinds used to call me the top ramen shaman and gave me a rattle made out of a tums jar filled with top ramen on a cedar stick! lol....
i worked with developmentally disabled sex offeners, being attacked by them on a regular daily basis so that peoples children wouldnt get raped, then i worked in an involuntary psycheward trying to help people in the mids of culturally inflicted psychosis... just to get kicked in the nuts and have piss thrown in my face for helping, my commitment to helping others has pretty much kept me on the poverty level my entire life. all the while still doing healing work with freinds and family... for nothing... i never get reinbursed even for the medicine i give... sometimes there is some reciprocity but mostly part of the healing that needs to happen for people is that they need to learn how to reciprocate and offer respect and gratitude as well... not a common trait in our society...

oh and my "shamanic practice" lol... it just closed down... because of the same thing... i payed for rent on a space for 6 months hoping to at least break even on rent... nope... two clients both where basically free or at my own personal cost because they couldnt afford the help they needed.
my hope with my practice was to be able to make some income in that area to support the work i want to do in building a sustianable animist ecovillage... Because of the fact that i give a lot away i have to becareful, because i want to see this work continue and there have been visions ive been told to follow and things ive been shown to do with this work, and im sorry but if i dont take credit for my own work... some one else will... and then i will not be able to do the work i need to do and follow the visions ive been given.
so if you see me as self promotional because i wish to take credit for my own work to prevent another from doing so who may not have the same intentions... well gee im sorry...

I just want to clarify in very simple terms to Cyclura, and everyone else on this tribe, I have no patience for people who come in here with mud on their shoes. We keep a clean house around here, we all care about each other and respect each other quite a bit. We come from different bioregions, different backgrounds, different people, and yet we all dance around the same campfire here.

And that's not to say that there's no room for shit-tossing. Lord knows I've butted heads with LLB MANY times in the 2 1/2 years I've known him, and there have been other very serious arguments that have ocurred around here, many friends were lost, some forever, not all.

My point is that even though I have no patience for newbies with mud on their shoes, I HAVE EVEN LESS PATIENCE FOR PEOPLE WHO AT VERY LEAST DON'T STAND UP AND BACK UP THE THINGS THEY SAY!!!!!!

YOU WANT TO COME INTO MY HOUSE AND SLING MUD? THEN STAND BY YOUR WORDS.

Come in here, throw shit around, and then disappear leaving nothing but the smell of your farts behind.......

So, I'm not encouraging or inviting anyone to start trouble. But in any society there is room for conflict. But this here's a bunch of warriors, Male and Female, who take shit from no one and stand tall by their values, through thick and thin.

Anyways.....just wanted to make that point...now back to our regular programming.....

:)

I appreciate that maybe you thought you should come to my defense, but if you read all the posts on this thread, you should have been able to see that we had reached a peaceful resolution. For you to come in and stir things up again only causes more of a rift to form, with me and you seen as being on the same side. I said what I wanted to say already, I stand by what I said.. and I'm done arguing about this.