Building Your Body From the Ground Up

topic posted Thu, July 2, 2009 - 5:31 PM by  Wanderlust
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I was reading the BRA blog on the article about Building Your Body From the Ground Up and found myself wondering if we regenerate every 7 years or so...do we retain anything of the different bio-regions that we inhabit? Wondering if at some point, scientifically speaking, does our DNA reflect the fact that we have inhabited different bio-regions?
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  • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

    Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:02 PM
    well i do believe in "we are what we eat", meaning our cells have to regenerate themselves using what we put in our bodies to do so. but to answer your question, i say no. i can't really back that up all scientifically. but i think after awhile it falls away. like you said, after an average of 7 years, we regenerate and slowly what we "retained" organically dwindles out of our system so that we are renewed in a sence.

    otherwise, if we COULD detect something of our former bioregions, couldn't we then find traces of Virginia in me from the Cherokee? find traces of Cornwall from when my ancestors farmed on the shores of southwest England? and for that matter, could we not find traces of Africa in me as it would be found in you as well! good topic, man!! but i don't think you could trace that, because i don't personally think it's there. after about a quarter of a life, it's long gone outta the system....i would THINK!
    • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

      Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:19 PM
      'and for that matter, could we not find traces of Africa in me as it would be found in you as well! good topic, man!! but i don't think you could trace that, because i don't personally think it's there.''


      there are neuro chemical ways to trace your dna markers, but that is a subject, perhaps for another forum. :)

      in the very end- the whole world walks thru you.
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        Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

        Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:46 PM
        "in the very end- the whole world walks thru you. "

        i think thats true... i also think that molecules store information, and have memories.. and i think that DNA is intelligent and has a memory and is stored and reacted to information.

        here is an interesting bit of info i learned....
        sickle cell anemia is the by product of years of biological adaption to a specific location in africa where there are a lot of wet lands... in these wet lands there is a lot of standing water thus a lot of mosquitoes. these little buggers carry a bacteria that causes malaria ( mal aire? interesting never made that connection before any way...) malaria can kill you at birth... and so the body of these people adapted... or lets say a specific mutation of genes was naturally selected because they could survive until they could procreate and pass on that gene because the malaria didnt kill them because sickle cell anemia will not allow malaria to kill you... but you will die from it but usually after procreative age... now we have people no longer in africa and no longer in need of this defense against malaria dieing young from sickle cell anemia... if thats not a memory of place i dont know what is...
  • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

    Fri, July 3, 2009 - 6:44 AM
    " . . . The changes in the understanding of consciousness and of the human psyche in health and disease that naturally follow from the research of holotropic states fall into several categories. This research has shown the necessity to expand the traditional model of the psyche, limited to postnatal biography and the Freudian individual unconscious by two vast areas – perinatal (which has a close connection with the memories of biological birth) and transpersonal (mediating experiences of identification with other people, animals, and the botanical realm and with human and animal ancestors, as well as experiences of the historical and archetypal collective unconscious, as described by C. G. Jung). Traditional psychiatry sees the beginnings of “psychogenic” disorders – those that do not have any demonstrable biological causes – in infancy and childhood. The work with holotropic states shows clearly that these disorders have additional deep roots in the perinatal and transpersonal realms of the unconscious. This finding might seem in and of itself very pessimistic, but it is outweighed by the discovery of new effective therapeutic mechanisms which operate on these deep levels of the unconscious. . .
    . . . New observations show that consciousness is not an epiphenomenon of matter – a product of complex neurophysiological processes in the brain – but a fundamental primary attribute of existence, as it is described in the great spiritual philosophies of the East. As suggested by the Swiss psychiatrist C. G. Jung, the psyche is not enclosed in the human skull and brain, but permeates all of existence (as anima mundi). The individual human psyche is an integral part of this cosmic matrix and can under certain circumstances experientially identify with its various aspects." -Stanislav Grof www.realitysandwich.com/accept..._speech
    • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

      Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:05 AM
      Hmmmmm....ok, well first off, I just gotta say I'm a wee bit skeptical about this "whole body regenerates in 7 years" thing....I'm just not so sure about it. I know our largest organ, the skin, is constantly renewing itself, and that the liver is also capable of regenerating. But I've never heard this for other organs. My intuitive understanding is that for the most part they grow to maturity and that's it. Sure they have mechanisms for healing and repairing areas, but I don't know that they're just constantly regenerating. I refer to the liver again: you can take out part of the liver, and the liver will mostly grow back and you'll be fine. But you can't grow back a piece of a kidney, or a lung.....so again, I'm skeptical on the original premise.

      But what is fueling your organism constantly and building beneficial and detrimental deposits in your body is definitely what you eat, what you drink, what you breath, and even the light that's hitting you, the angle, duration, etc.....So everything in your bioregion leaves a pretty good mark in your body and your essence. Stands to reason that the longer you are in an area, the more like that area you will become in biochemical terms (leaving aside all the metaphysical implications for now...)

      And as for what we carry from past generations, well, it seems to me that goes way beyond just the genetic anomalies like sickle-cell that LLB pointed out. I had this vision, insight of sorts one night, where I saw how every single one of the tiny miniscule cells in our body is subject to the actions of every single one of our ancestors into infinity. Just imagine, to make an extreme example, if some Homo Erectus living in a cave in the middle east sustains an injury to the shoulder that leaves him walking a little funny for the rest of his life. Just a litte funny, nothing life risking. So his son is born, and sees how Daddy walks, and by natural primate behavior, imitates the slight lean of his fathers shoulder, thereby tensing all those muscles and energy pathways and so on.....and imagine this being repeated in tiny subtle degrees over ten, a hundred, a thousand generations, each generation imitating their mothers and fathers subconsciously repeating not just their behavioral patterns, but also their physical behavioral patterns. So 500,000 years later a whole slew of people are carrying a tiny degree of fucked-up shoulder from ancestors long past, in the process blocking energy pathways and in turn creating real physical and psycho-social disease.....

      This is, to me anyways, partially why yoga is so helpful. You learn to unlearn all the fucked up physical, spiritual and emotional baggage that your family and ancestors have carried since.....who knows when.....

      Anyways, I may be way off topic, but I just felt it important to share that....

      :)
      • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

        Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:16 AM
        it was my understanding that the cells are actually regenerating themselves after an average of seven years. and in some cultures, people believe we are reborn EVERY year as a whole new individual. kinda like the rise and death of the god mythos, i suppose.

        as for the parental mimicking, i've never heard of a psychological case like this. i mean, my dad walked with his feet pointed outward from each other (like a duck, i remember)....but we never walked like this growing up. instead, we just made fun of him! i can see WHY a child would wish to repeat the physical stature of its parents, and especially to the parent that shares its gender- i've just never heard of it happening for generation after generation before.
        • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

          Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:38 AM
          Again, I don't know about the seven year thing, at least in biological terms. I'd have to see some kinda something to back that up, but it very well could be possible.

          As for the mimicking, oh man, it is so blatantly evident. Maybe the example you gave, as the one I gave, are a bit extreme, best used to illustrate than the real deal. But I'll tell you what, when you watch little kids growing up, and you see them walk like their parents and move like their parents.....of course we mimick the movements of our parents, it's where we learn everything. Just watch a son and father or daughter and mother, or crossed father and daughter or mother and son, watch them together, closely, and you'll see that for the most part they move very similar, express themselves in similar ways, have the same concept of personal space, etc....and certainly generations share psycopathologies, and one of the ways those are transmitted (IMO) is by mimicking of body language.
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            Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

            Fri, July 3, 2009 - 2:42 PM
            i posted a whole article on this on the blog remember?>
            " Our cells are literally flushed out, and rebuilt with new cells.
            Depending on what source you read (from Dr. Deepak Chopra, MD to Gray’s Anatomy), our body replace its tissues and cells every 1 to 7 years.
            - Muscles get replaced every 6 months to 3 years
            - The pancreas replaces every 5-12 months
            - Our bones replace every 8 months to 4 years
            - Red blood cells replace every 90-120 days
            - The intestinal lining replaces every 5-30 days
            Realize, we have been doing this regeneration every day since the day we were first conceived."
            - By Scott Ohlgren

            www.bioregionalanimism.com/2007....html
            its an established fact from what ive read...
            i think i first read about it in a college biology class honestly...
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              Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

              Fri, July 3, 2009 - 2:43 PM
              i beleive that this process may actually slow down too as one gets older... but i cant recall...
              • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

                Mon, July 6, 2009 - 10:17 AM
                >i posted a whole article on this on the blog remember?>

                Yeah I was reading it again and my question was.....do we retain anything of the different bio-regions that we inhabit? Wondering if at some point, scientifically speaking, does our DNA reflect the fact that we have inhabited different bio-regions?

                I think Travis said it best that in the end the earth runs through us all, no?

                Do you have any thoughts on whether our basic DNA reflects the fact that we have inhabited different bio-regions?
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                  Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

                  Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:27 AM
                  molecules have memory... theres been a lot of research on that.
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                    Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

                    Mon, July 6, 2009 - 12:18 PM
                    You know we had a sermon at the UU church this Sunday talking about "Evolutionary Buddhism" and the speaker began to talk about the memory of DNA and Mater, and Molecules. It was fascinating, and re-affirmed what I already intuitively knew.
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                      Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

                      Mon, July 6, 2009 - 12:34 PM
                      and we cannot forget about how every particle is also at the same time a wave... the energy body has its own dynamics....
                      the past present and future are one point and one can shift ones awareness and entrain ones self with any one any time... we are one... we are related...
                      • Re: Building Your Body From the Ground Up

                        Wed, July 8, 2009 - 2:39 AM
                        You have mitosis which is the replication of your bodies cells,( nerve cells are the exception only cells that don't regenerate), and another cellular process is meiosis which is the replication of your reproductive cells.

                        The liver is only internal organ which can grow back, but only certain amounts of it, really depends on blood flow.

                        The whole body on a cellular level regenerates itself by replication(bar the nervous tissue), different cells regenerate at different speeds, skin is very fast, that's why 70% of the dust in your house is skin flakes. The heart may take 18 months to regenerate etc...

                        Now when you eat, different bio-chemical nutrients (and undesirables) are absorbed through your small intestine into your blood stream then through a cell membrane and possibly into your RNA and then on the outside of your DNA, called epigenetics. Fairly new theory rings true to me though, seems to prove we are what our Great grand parents, grand parents and parents ate.

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