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Venting Nickels suggests secession
By Sharon Pian Chan and Ashley Bach
Seattle Times staff reporters
Frustrated by the state and federal gridlock on solving Seattle's transportation problems, Mayor Greg Nickels suggested secession at a Thursday luncheon.
"Our region should declare its independence," Nickels said.
The Puget Sound regional economy makes up 67 percent of the state's economic activity, he said. "If we were a country, [our economy] would be just a little smaller than Thailand. We would be larger than Colombia, Venezuela. We are held back because our state and federal government still believe our economies are driven by wheat farms and timber logging."
Nickels spoke as part of a CityClub round table at Town Hall with Bellevue Mayor Grant Degginger and Redmond Mayor John Marchione.
Nickels suggested the region start by putting the Puget Sound Regional Council "on steroids."
The 32-member board, Nickels said, should shrink and take greater control of how to spend state transportation funds.
Nickels spokesman Marty McOmber later said the mayor's comments at lunch — such as, "I am serious when I say we ought to talk about independence" — were meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The mayor was venting his frustration after the state opposed transportation projects and gun-control legislation he wanted.
"We have rural legislators making decisions on things like the viaduct and whether we can keep our city safe," Nickels said.
The three mayors did not disagree on much in a discussion that ranged from homelessness and Highway 520 to improved regional cooperation. Degginger and Marchione both said they would not support a 20-cent fee on disposable grocery bags, as Nickels has proposed in Seattle.
Nickels said he disagreed with King County Metro's plan to distribute 40 percent of new transit service to the Eastside, while Degginger said the policy was necessary to improve service to the underserved suburbs.
A new Highway 520 Bridge is an example of an issue that needs execution, not more discussion, Degginger said.
The biggest challenge ahead is "to show some leadership," he said. "... We need to implement decisions, rather than talk about them over and over again."
All the mayors advocated for better transit service, including buses. Moderator James Vesely, editorial-page editor of The Seattle Times, asked them if they knew what bus route they would take to get to work in the morning.
Each knew the number of his route, which drew applause, though Nickels admitted he does not take the bus.
Venting Nickels suggests secession
By Sharon Pian Chan and Ashley Bach
Seattle Times staff reporters
Frustrated by the state and federal gridlock on solving Seattle's transportation problems, Mayor Greg Nickels suggested secession at a Thursday luncheon.
"Our region should declare its independence," Nickels said.
The Puget Sound regional economy makes up 67 percent of the state's economic activity, he said. "If we were a country, [our economy] would be just a little smaller than Thailand. We would be larger than Colombia, Venezuela. We are held back because our state and federal government still believe our economies are driven by wheat farms and timber logging."
Nickels spoke as part of a CityClub round table at Town Hall with Bellevue Mayor Grant Degginger and Redmond Mayor John Marchione.
Nickels suggested the region start by putting the Puget Sound Regional Council "on steroids."
The 32-member board, Nickels said, should shrink and take greater control of how to spend state transportation funds.
Nickels spokesman Marty McOmber later said the mayor's comments at lunch — such as, "I am serious when I say we ought to talk about independence" — were meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The mayor was venting his frustration after the state opposed transportation projects and gun-control legislation he wanted.
"We have rural legislators making decisions on things like the viaduct and whether we can keep our city safe," Nickels said.
The three mayors did not disagree on much in a discussion that ranged from homelessness and Highway 520 to improved regional cooperation. Degginger and Marchione both said they would not support a 20-cent fee on disposable grocery bags, as Nickels has proposed in Seattle.
Nickels said he disagreed with King County Metro's plan to distribute 40 percent of new transit service to the Eastside, while Degginger said the policy was necessary to improve service to the underserved suburbs.
A new Highway 520 Bridge is an example of an issue that needs execution, not more discussion, Degginger said.
The biggest challenge ahead is "to show some leadership," he said. "... We need to implement decisions, rather than talk about them over and over again."
All the mayors advocated for better transit service, including buses. Moderator James Vesely, editorial-page editor of The Seattle Times, asked them if they knew what bus route they would take to get to work in the morning.
Each knew the number of his route, which drew applause, though Nickels admitted he does not take the bus.
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Re: Nickels suggests secession
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:45 PMwow we're getting a lot closer to this than i thought! glad to know that nickels is a cascadian. nice how they try to downplay it--ohoh, he was only joking -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 11:22 AMhe had to cover hsi ass some how... so that homeland security didnt carry him away in the middle of the night to a prison camp... -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:29 PMsuccession is only natural as our individual abilities become amplified by a greater connectivity.
centralization creates a head that is too big for the body to hold up!!!!!!! -
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Re: Nickels suggests secession
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:45 AMha ha ha, secession is only a matter of time the north american political economic structure will disintegrate into smaller bits, history proves this time and time again , empires and their demise -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:15 PMIt is crucial that they fall apart peacefully... each of our responsibilities... if we can make a difference...
I suggest each human starts their own country, and uses a set of standards to communicate.
Today things are backwards, with the people who should have the least effects on you with the most... -
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Re: Nickels suggests secession
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 12:30 PMits interesting.. in the book ecotopia they had to put nukes under major amerrican cities to ensure that the secession would work.
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Re: Nickels suggests secession
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:10 AMoh god nukes under the cities and The Forben Project computer to run it all
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Re: Nickels suggests secession
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:23 PMGREAT IDEA!!!
Pacific Northwest is clearly so much more evolved than corn-fed midwestern red states... clearly it's a different country with different priorities than Cheney-ville...
I grew up in Seattle, I'm a treehugger, and I'm proud!! -
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Re: Nickels suggests secession
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:28 PMIt would definitely seem that the PNW is pretty evolved... but ive seen good folks doing good work in bioregionalism all over the USA... south west, northern cali, ohio, wisconsin, great lakes, all over the place! -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 3:50 PMThere is something about the Northwest though - I can taste in the air and feel it in my bones. The platue tribes sometimes refer to the inland northwest as a place of dreams. Some major movements in Native American traditions arose from dreams in these parts - ghost dance actually had its real early roots in these parts - if I recal correctly . . . I know my own dreams have been insane and intence at times since I moved here. Origionally what was the Oregan Teritory was invisioned by jefferson to be an atonymouse zone/state with trade agreements with the Union - then jackson rose to power and manifest destiny became all the rage. . . . There is an interesting history to the Northwest
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