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      <title>cloth pads...response to a survey from reddys</title>
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      <description>&lt;div&gt;hi everyone...it's been quiet here.  I got a short survey letter from Ashley Reed of Reddys Reusabe menstrual pads asking for inout on how using cloth pads has changed my relationship to my cuycle.  here is my response thus far...will post her questions later for any to answer.
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&lt;br/&gt;here goes.....Judith
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;hi Ashley...I'd love to read your paper in any form when it's ready,
&lt;br/&gt;no pun immediately intended. I'd also like to read the proceedings
&lt;br/&gt;of this conference if they are available. I'm very busy at present
&lt;br/&gt;(about to start an intensive science course of study in rpeparation
&lt;br/&gt;for naturopathic medical school in 2008)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I try to stay well-informed in the field
&lt;br/&gt;of natural health promotion, especially as to alternatives in
&lt;br/&gt;reproductive health. I moderate a few discussions on the Inbternet
&lt;br/&gt;related to these tothese topics, and will forward, under separate e-
&lt;br/&gt;mail cover, some of the interesting conversations we have had,
&lt;br/&gt;especailly about adolescent girls and introducing them to
&lt;br/&gt;reusables. (my guess is that children who were
&lt;br/&gt;raised my mothers who use washable diapers for their children and
&lt;br/&gt;washable pads for their menstruation comfortably will have a much
&lt;br/&gt;more natural,if you will, transition to the use of cloth pads
&lt;br/&gt;themselves...my own daughter
&lt;br/&gt;is 12 and a half, on the "later" end of the sprectrum in terms of
&lt;br/&gt;secondary sexual development, and I've been thinking of ways to make
&lt;br/&gt;it easy for her
&lt;br/&gt;to just grab a cloth pad when she needs one, the way I do.)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;see if the following thoughts are of any help to you in formulating a
&lt;br/&gt;presentation. I'd be really happy to receive a new lunar calendar,
&lt;br/&gt;or any
&lt;br/&gt;other "perks" that may be included...a brief acknowledgement in your
&lt;br/&gt;paper if you use any of my contribution would be fine, actually (i'm
&lt;br/&gt;a trainedsocial scientist and like being a collaborator in this way)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;it's been so many years since I used any disposable menstrual
&lt;br/&gt;products,
&lt;br/&gt;except in "emergency" situations (e.g., period starts early at a
&lt;br/&gt;county fair and I have no supplies, thus get a pad from first aid
&lt;br/&gt;booth until I can get back to my car and find a suitable rag)that
&lt;br/&gt;it's hard to say whether any changes such as how my flow feels or
&lt;br/&gt;how much I enjoy it are due to using cloth pads. I honestly can't
&lt;br/&gt;imagine "enjoying" my moontime without some form of confortable,
&lt;br/&gt;washable pad.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I'm 50 and still having regular, apparently ovulatory cycles, though
&lt;br/&gt;they have shortened a bit in the last year or two. my cycles only
&lt;br/&gt;became anything even close to predictable and regular after having a
&lt;br/&gt;baby naturally at
&lt;br/&gt;age
&lt;br/&gt;38. (not the usual pattern...even with extended, on-demand, and
&lt;br/&gt;unsupplemented breastfeeding and no separation from my baby, I
&lt;br/&gt;started
&lt;br/&gt;having regular periods at 8 weeks postpartum! apparently conceiving
&lt;br/&gt;and
&lt;br/&gt;birthing and nursing my baby naturally "showed" my body how to act
&lt;br/&gt;like
&lt;br/&gt;a
&lt;br/&gt;fertile woman...that's the only explanation I can make.)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;using cloth pads, as I had done for many years in the past, just
&lt;br/&gt;seemed themost logical extension of the low-environmental-impact,
&lt;br/&gt;high-attention-to-personal-and-plaentary-health ways I cared for
&lt;br/&gt;myself and my baby. when I
&lt;br/&gt;was in my late teens and early twenties, I used natural sponges as
&lt;br/&gt;tampon
&lt;br/&gt;substitutes, for the same environmental and personal reasons that I
&lt;br/&gt;now
&lt;br/&gt;use
&lt;br/&gt;cloth pads. the "toxic shock" stories had not yet broken, and I
&lt;br/&gt;liked
&lt;br/&gt;the
&lt;br/&gt;closeness to my cycle that rinsing and caring for the sponges gave
&lt;br/&gt;me,
&lt;br/&gt;but
&lt;br/&gt;eventually I became concerned that sponges, too, might absorb more
&lt;br/&gt;fluid
&lt;br/&gt;than was necessary, could abrade the lning of my vagina or cervix,
&lt;br/&gt;etc.
&lt;br/&gt;I
&lt;br/&gt;also used a diaphragm, of the birth-control type, to collect
&lt;br/&gt;menstrual
&lt;br/&gt;flow
&lt;br/&gt;for a while, and also liked the contact with my menstrual flow and
&lt;br/&gt;low
&lt;br/&gt;environmental impact it involved...and I can't say I ever had
&lt;br/&gt;problems
&lt;br/&gt;with
&lt;br/&gt;this, but honestly with all the growing atention paid to latex
&lt;br/&gt;allergy,
&lt;br/&gt;I
&lt;br/&gt;felt it safest to go back to external cloth pads isntead of any of
&lt;br/&gt;these.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Seeing that cloth diapers were not such a big deal in terms of
&lt;br/&gt;hassle made it REALLY easy to transition to the exclusive use of
&lt;br/&gt;washable cloth menstrual pads. I was washing plenty of cotton
&lt;br/&gt;anyway...a folded piece of
&lt;br/&gt;flannel a few times a day,m a few days a month really isn't much
&lt;br/&gt;compared
&lt;br/&gt;with two or three years of several diapers a day on average (not to
&lt;br/&gt;mention
&lt;br/&gt;the twenty to thirty wet diapers a "leaky" newborn can give you for
&lt;br/&gt;several
&lt;br/&gt;months!!!)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I feel good about not adding to the cradle-to-grave parade of toxic
&lt;br/&gt;pollution thatdisposable products necessarily entail. I've worked for
&lt;br/&gt;environmental information agencies, and know that the production of
&lt;br/&gt;disposable paper-based, or even cotton-based, products involved
&lt;br/&gt;numerous
&lt;br/&gt;questionable environmental practices, and that their eventual
&lt;br/&gt;disposal
&lt;br/&gt;is
&lt;br/&gt;worse, and that along the way, it is our bodies that are exposed to
&lt;br/&gt;the
&lt;br/&gt;bleaches, finishes, pesticide residues, and other potentially
&lt;br/&gt;hazardous
&lt;br/&gt;aspects of these products. I know women who say that their
&lt;br/&gt;endometriosis
&lt;br/&gt;improved greatly after switching away from disposable menstrual
&lt;br/&gt;products,
&lt;br/&gt;which makes total sense to me. Additionally, I have talked to many
&lt;br/&gt;plumbers who note all the flushed tampons, panty liners, pads, baby
&lt;br/&gt;wipes,etc that are part of their daily life as the cleaners of
&lt;br/&gt;clogged
&lt;br/&gt;sewage lines. every person who chooses to cut down on the amount of
&lt;br/&gt;treated
&lt;br/&gt;paper goods she or he throws into our water suppply is making for a
&lt;br/&gt;somewhat easier time not just for all species on the planet, but for
&lt;br/&gt;the
&lt;br/&gt;workers among them who clean up after our daily necessities of
&lt;br/&gt;elimination.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I'm a person who believes in worker safety, low-cost preventive
&lt;br/&gt;ehalth
&lt;br/&gt;for
&lt;br/&gt;all, and the preservation of speciaes in the best health possible.
&lt;br/&gt;as
&lt;br/&gt;I
&lt;br/&gt;near the last of my menstrual eyars, I can't imagine any other way
&lt;br/&gt;to
&lt;br/&gt;honor
&lt;br/&gt;my cycle than by using simple, comfortable, washable menstrual
&lt;br/&gt;pads.
&lt;br/&gt;I'm
&lt;br/&gt;not highoy inclined toward formal ritual as spiritual practice; I
&lt;br/&gt;don;t
&lt;br/&gt;plan on having a "Croning" ceremony for myself or a "Mooning"
&lt;br/&gt;ceremony
&lt;br/&gt;for
&lt;br/&gt;my daughter. SO, the best way we can honor the spiritual side of our
&lt;br/&gt;cyclic fertlity, in our home, is to choose to use cloth pads that are
&lt;br/&gt;compatible with our intellectual and spiritual beliefs about caring
&lt;br/&gt;for
&lt;br/&gt;the
&lt;br/&gt;ewarth and for ourown ehalth, and respecting ourselves as females
&lt;br/&gt;rather
&lt;br/&gt;than being angry at this beautiful expression of our cyclic
&lt;br/&gt;fertility.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;thanks for reading and again, I hope this is useful to you...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Judith Gips
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;PO Box 14231
&lt;br/&gt;Berkeley CA 94712
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:45:48 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2007-05-04T21:45:48Z</dc:date>
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      <title>intersting sociological book on the menstrual industry...</title>
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      <description>&lt;div&gt;just breezed through this at the public library and think it's worth looking at...
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;"Capitalizing on the Curse: The Business of menstruation" by Elizabeth Arveda Kissling.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;chapters include "marketing menstruation", "pills, profits, PMS, and Pmdd", "manipulation menstruation for fun and profit"  (a lot here on chemical "menstrual supression!", "tampon safety debates and product alternatives". also suggestions for action and reflection, "how to rbeak a curse." 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;the chapter on "the menstrual counterculture" was a little disappointing to me, as I hoped there would be more on the reclaiming-outr bleeding celebrations that Tamara, jeannine, olara owen, and many others have pioneered...probably too much for one small-ish scholarly book, and not an anthology.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;recommended reading, a lot of good information and generally body-supportive outlook, including lots of stuff on products, diagnoses and procedures that this Luddite-ish gal who tears up old flannel sheets for menstrual rags has never heard of.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;enjoy!
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Judith&lt;/div&gt;
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:31:25 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2007-07-11T22:31:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Questioning Circumcision: A jewish perspective</title>
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      <description>&lt;div&gt;I picked up a copy of Ronald Goldman's book "Questioning
&lt;br/&gt;Circumcision" today at the NO CIRC booth at Pride Day street fair in
&lt;br/&gt;downtown SF.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;he's a psychologist who chairs the Circumcision Respurce Center in
&lt;br/&gt;Boston. the book is relatively short (134 pages in a paperback
&lt;br/&gt;including an index and some great addpeices, including alternative
&lt;br/&gt;rites for baby blessing for boys AND girls) but quite thorough and
&lt;br/&gt;very readable. chapters include origins and background of jewish
&lt;br/&gt;ritual circumcision, asumed benefits and understated risks, ,
&lt;br/&gt;unrecognized (or underrecognized) consequences, , many types of
&lt;br/&gt;personal experience, and s chapter onconflicts and questions. many
&lt;br/&gt;interviews and quotes appear in the bok, including those from several
&lt;br/&gt;thoughtful rabis who have serious midgivings about the tradition of
&lt;br/&gt;ritual circumcision. another appendix includes transcipts from
&lt;br/&gt;Tikkun Jewish Renewal conference in New York in 1994, where several
&lt;br/&gt;conference participants joined a discussion following a presentation
&lt;br/&gt;about circumcision and reasons against it by the book's author.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;this book as a valuable addition to any health activist'slibrary,
&lt;br/&gt;especailly one woh is working with his/her own jewish roots or who
&lt;br/&gt;wants to communicate well and compassionately with those who ARE
&lt;br/&gt;jewish and feel conflicted about "the covenant" as they understand
&lt;br/&gt;it.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;in my own experience, there is a real need for something FROm someone
&lt;br/&gt;who is proud of his or her jewish heritage who can speak hnestly and
&lt;br/&gt;clearly about why not to circumcise. Dr. Goldman fills this niche
&lt;br/&gt;wonderfully, and I'm grateful for his book wonder if an update is in
&lt;br/&gt;the works? pubication date was 1998..)
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;to contact them directly: Circumcision Resource Center
&lt;br/&gt;Box 232
&lt;br/&gt;Boston MA 02133
&lt;br/&gt;(617)523 0088
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:29:36 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>an intro from judith...mooning and croning</title>
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      <description>&lt;div&gt;this is a post I originally put into the GBirthkeepe.com forum called The Dancing Triple Goddess, last February, just after jeannine's death , well, two months after.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;hope it'll both serve as introduction and get some interesting discussion going.  tell your friends...men welcome too as long as they are Cool with this kind of energy!
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;love Judith
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I'm 50 now, dancing those last years of the fertility dance while raising my daughter who is a slender 11 year old. started honoring the moontimes three years ago when I thought these were the fnal eyars, wound up with a stack of neatly folded paper towels stained with what I thought was the last of my menstrual fluid. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;well, my life has been a set of surprises when it comes to fertile sexuality and I'm still having the predictably regular cycles that really only statted being even close to predictable after I birthed my little treasure at age 38, after 17 eyars of trying or praying or hoping....weird thing is, this was at 8 weeks postpartum, with nursing all around the clock, baby-carrying, cosleeping, no suplemental food or water or fingersucking or ANYTHING. so much for the "lactationl amenorrhea" business. I was still bursing and still in milk until Lia was 5, and still could squeeze out a little milk for anothr year or so (probably a year and a half?)after that. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;my estimate based on everythng I've observed and my own intuition of these things is thatthe real "pause" is still years away. my small-ish, agile eleven eyar old hasn't even a hint of breast buds or pubic hair yet and probably won't for a few years...I too was 13 bfore anything even started to change and 14 before I had any moonflow, and I suspect, based on her size and shape and how much she's like me physically, I'm looking at the same. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;so I don't know where it's going. that, of course, is mostly in the hands of a oving goddess who gives each of us a different relationship with ehr own fertility and moontimes. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I take herbs allies into me, to ease some of the minor discomforts...premenstrual moodiness and achiness and prone-ness to headaches...enjoy my moontime and the simple rags I fold into my underwear (I have to laugh a bit walking through the pharmacy and seeing box after box of tampons, disposable pads, all that mess I don;t spend a dime on creating or perpetuating... find that rather than retreating into all=womanspace around then, I feel best with the right kind of male energy around me for balance, especially at moontime (I'm there now.) 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I'd always ientified with people five to 15 years older than me (early Boomers for this late Boomer and someways Late Bloomer?), for the first time in my life, I'm ready to love a younger man. there's one in my life now, the same friend who came with me to see Jeannine last August, who shares my bed often but hasn't been sexual with me (or anyone else as far as I can see) for a month or two. which isn't always easy... 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;he's got his issues with retreat from sexuality just now so again, only those deities and energies, male and female and both or neither, relly know where it will lead. I've long wanted to be some kind of elser but I'm not moving "gacefully" or otherwise into croning just yet. fantasize one last-chance baby. look at how my life runs in twelve-year cycles and my loved one is twelve years younger than I. crave loving touch, not just sex, but worshipful fingertip prayer. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;as I write, it is exactly twelve years since I became pregnant with my beautiful daughter. she plays hard, thinks a lot, observes keenly,moves gracefully, happy being a child, sharp adolescent mind in her lithe, rather androgynous 60-pound body. she needs me more as mother than as crone/elder for now, and it seems the beings unseen are in accord. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I stand just close enough to catch her if she falls, as a Wiccan woman I met in Santa Cruz suggested was fit for these times in my mothering journey. laugh as I change my old flannel pads. hope her transition to mooning will be joyous too, and that I can stand beside her. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Judith&lt;/div&gt;
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