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First off, I want to make it clear to one girl reading this that this is not directed at her! It is a philosophical question I've been mulling over since the party, and I'm going to use my personal experience as examples in order to initiate the discussion.
Last time that I went to BiSect, I felt like there was one thing missing: girlkissin'. So I went determined to increase the amount of smooching going on, singlehandedly if need be. (I'd tossed around the idea of coming dressed as the "Kissing Fairy", but I didn't have the chance to get a costume together. I may try it for the next BiSect, though...)
I know that often in all-girl environments, and also among bisexual women, there is the "lesbian sheep" problem; while girls are comfortable with admiring each other from across a crowded room, or even having an intense conversation, we are so well-socialized not to take the initiative in a more physical manner that it can be hard to make any sort of sensual approach toward someone. (I once spent a year and a half "not-dating" a girl simply because neither of us could get the ovaries up to initiate that first kiss!)
It was important to me to embark on my smoochin' mission in as laid-back a fashion as possible, however. While being enthusiastic enough about the general kissing experience to make each woman I spoke to realize that, yes, I did find her pretty and desirable, I wanted to be just casual enough that whoever I was approaching would realize that I wasn't necessarily asking for their hand in marriage, or even anything more, EVER, than that one kiss. I also wanted to make it clear that I would not be upset or hurt if they said no.
The reactions I got were interesting. At least one person told me it broke the ice for them and allowed them to move on and kiss other girls. Yay! Mission accomplished! Some women seemed really enthusiastic. (Perhaps someday I'll get to kiss them some more. *g* ) Some seemed a bit flustered by my boldness.
One thing I realized over the course of the night, however, is that while I view kissing as something fun that doesn't necessarily need to lead to anything else, other people might view it a little more seriously. I was also, frankly, a little surprised because no one said no to me. On the one hand, it may mean that I'm just that devastatingly attractive. *grin* On the other, it may be a sign that women don't feel like it's okay to say no to other women, even if they don't want to say yes.
So, I'm curious. What goes through your mind when a girl asks if she can kiss you? And do you feel like you can turn her down? How hard do you find it to approach a girl who you'd like to kiss, and how does it differ from trying to approach a boy you're interested in? How do you view kisisng in general? Is it casual for you, or is it something you only do with people you'd like to get serious about? Are you hurt if a woman who kisses you at a party also goes on to kiss someone else?
Last time that I went to BiSect, I felt like there was one thing missing: girlkissin'. So I went determined to increase the amount of smooching going on, singlehandedly if need be. (I'd tossed around the idea of coming dressed as the "Kissing Fairy", but I didn't have the chance to get a costume together. I may try it for the next BiSect, though...)
I know that often in all-girl environments, and also among bisexual women, there is the "lesbian sheep" problem; while girls are comfortable with admiring each other from across a crowded room, or even having an intense conversation, we are so well-socialized not to take the initiative in a more physical manner that it can be hard to make any sort of sensual approach toward someone. (I once spent a year and a half "not-dating" a girl simply because neither of us could get the ovaries up to initiate that first kiss!)
It was important to me to embark on my smoochin' mission in as laid-back a fashion as possible, however. While being enthusiastic enough about the general kissing experience to make each woman I spoke to realize that, yes, I did find her pretty and desirable, I wanted to be just casual enough that whoever I was approaching would realize that I wasn't necessarily asking for their hand in marriage, or even anything more, EVER, than that one kiss. I also wanted to make it clear that I would not be upset or hurt if they said no.
The reactions I got were interesting. At least one person told me it broke the ice for them and allowed them to move on and kiss other girls. Yay! Mission accomplished! Some women seemed really enthusiastic. (Perhaps someday I'll get to kiss them some more. *g* ) Some seemed a bit flustered by my boldness.
One thing I realized over the course of the night, however, is that while I view kissing as something fun that doesn't necessarily need to lead to anything else, other people might view it a little more seriously. I was also, frankly, a little surprised because no one said no to me. On the one hand, it may mean that I'm just that devastatingly attractive. *grin* On the other, it may be a sign that women don't feel like it's okay to say no to other women, even if they don't want to say yes.
So, I'm curious. What goes through your mind when a girl asks if she can kiss you? And do you feel like you can turn her down? How hard do you find it to approach a girl who you'd like to kiss, and how does it differ from trying to approach a boy you're interested in? How do you view kisisng in general? Is it casual for you, or is it something you only do with people you'd like to get serious about? Are you hurt if a woman who kisses you at a party also goes on to kiss someone else?
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Re: Girlkissin'
Mon, July 24, 2006 - 3:16 PMHaving history in the raver scene, I have a pretty liberal attitude about kissing girls at parties. I don't expect it to mean much, nor do I mind saying no. On the other hand, outside of the raver scene where that isn't the common attitude, if it was someone that wasn't a friend anyway... I'm not sure how I would feel.
One complaint I that I've often heard from a lot of bi-lonely girls in the raver / burner scene where casual kissing is common is that while a girl to make out with might be easy to find, but most of them are just hetero-flexable and not interested in anything more serious.
I'm definately inclined to think that being a kissing trouble-starter is a great thing for all the shy bi-lonely girls at BIsect. I think that perhaps one way to make it clear that it's just for fun, (unless specifically stated otherwise) would be something like your kissing fairy idea. Kris also had her "kiss me twice" button that I think served that purpose really well. I don't think anyone was surprised that Kris went off and kissed another girl since they were just following the directions on the button too. ;-) -
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Re: Girlkissin'
Mon, July 24, 2006 - 3:45 PMyeah, i think its about the presentation -- having a button or something of the sort works REALLY well to encourage kissing.
I've generally had the same background & outlook of Alissa, but i've frequently had things misinterpreted and tend to misinterpret them myself because of social restrictions. BLURGH!
i was actually one of the first girls (i think) to go up and kiss Kris and it was very casual, because she had a button! i think i may have interpreted other invitations differently if there had been a button involved. Y'know? *grin* maybe we could manufacture buttons to give out to girls who are open to making out at the next bisect, Nikki?
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Re: Girlkissin'
Mon, July 24, 2006 - 3:46 PMplus, i'll note i WAS a kissing bandit at last year's LA decom.
i could always be your sidekick -- i like the kissing faerie idea, too. -
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Re: Girlkissin'
Mon, July 24, 2006 - 6:33 PMI think having multiple kissing fairies would be a GREAT idea! The next question is - what would be the token we would give girls to grant them the Power of the Kiss? -
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Re: Girlkissin'
Mon, July 24, 2006 - 6:45 PMi like the button idea. now, to find a button maker. Or a necklace? something cheap, though!
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Re: Girlkissin'
Tue, July 25, 2006 - 5:26 PMI like a necklace. It's wearable, and fun!
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nancybuttons.com
Thu, July 27, 2006 - 12:13 PMJust so you know, Kris got her button at nancybuttons.com. They have a lot of bisexual buttons there. They also have an "ASK ME- I'm shy" button that I thought was cute, and made sense to bring up in the context of this conversation.
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Re: Girlkissin'
Tue, July 25, 2006 - 1:32 AMI love all of these ideas!
I also think it might be fun to have a "kiss at least three girls before you leave" faux rule--that way shy girls could perhaps get the courage to ask. (Obviously if someone didn't want to kiss anyone, that would be fine too...but I think most of us were just looking for excuses!)
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Re: Girlkissin'
Tue, July 25, 2006 - 2:20 AMSo far no girl has ever asked to kiss me who I wasn't dying to kiss. If a stranger asked me I'm not sure what I'd do. On the one hand I am a teensy bit germ phobic. On the other, I find kissing to be an extremely intimate activity and it would feel funny for me to do it with a stranger. On the third hand I wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a girl who asked. I would love to be at a party where girls were kissing all around me and I would find it easier to tell a girl no if I knew there were lots of other girls wanting to kiss her. I feel the same way about kissing boys and girls. I don't usually do it on the first date and it often leads to sex. if a woman who kisses me at a party also goes on to kiss someone else, as long as I am aware it'll happen it will probably excite me. For the most part, I prefer to kiss people I will at some point go to bed with.
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Re: Girlkissin' - killing two birds with one stone
Wed, July 26, 2006 - 6:11 PMHiya - April here. I can respond to 2 threads here, the kissing topic and the party review. First, I thought the party was well-organized and fun! Good job, Alissa. :) Nice touch with the cards/pens/hearts at the front door, the yummy drinks, and of course the hot belly dancer. Of course the only complaint was the heat. About 25 gals showed up from my group (Girls' Night Out) and while they all had fun, they were definitely whining about how hot it was. Now usually at night-time gigs we are all over each other - kissing, groping, flashing, etc - but it was too hot for that. Well, I guess Annie and I did flash a little, LOL. Wait until I tell them you all cooled off in the shower at the end, hahaha!! Anyway, I'm sure the next party will be much cooler and we'll really let loose. Love the kissing bandit idea. :)
Warmly,
April
P.S. Btw, you all are too cute!
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Re: Girlkissin'
Thu, October 5, 2006 - 10:41 PMOh wow so i know this topic was posted like a hundred years ago.... but i just had to chime in because kissing is one of my favorite sujects - not to mention probably my most favorite activity - yes i'm weird - sometimes i like it even better than sex. Now the odd thing is is that I find it both a very casual thing and ALSO something very intimate. On the intimate side - .. i feel like nothing gets more intimate than klssing - i mean you're face to face with another person - exploring that person as they simultaneously explore you.. Every kiss is a little drama unfolding - if you're doing it right you're having an entire conversation with your partner without words.
On the casual side, sometimes I'll kiss my friends just for the hell of it - because it's fun - like dancing. So to answer your question - if a girl asks to kiss me i usually say yes. But obviously HOW i kiss her varies completely depending on who she is to me. To answer you other question normally it is kind of intimidating to approach a girl for the first time - guys are easier because they're less picky - and of course because it's easier to find straight guys than gay girls. It's really too bad though - guys are fun in bed.. but.. really when it comes to kissing - women RULE the school. There's nothing better than a woman's sugary soft lips. *grin*