Separation of church and state. Good idea. Thanks, Thomas Jefferson.
Now, corporations may do as they please. But, we don't have to shop at 'em when they alienate atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, agnostics, pagans, Jews, Muslums, etc. Did y'all hear, Wal-Mart greeters used to say "Happy Holidays", but this year will be allowed to say, "Merry Christmas"? I hope I heard wrong. But if not,
Target!
Logan
Now, corporations may do as they please. But, we don't have to shop at 'em when they alienate atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, agnostics, pagans, Jews, Muslums, etc. Did y'all hear, Wal-Mart greeters used to say "Happy Holidays", but this year will be allowed to say, "Merry Christmas"? I hope I heard wrong. But if not,
Target!
Logan
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Tue, November 21, 2006 - 12:50 PMEgad! What is this world coming (or going back) to?! How will folks ever recover from this viciousness of those Wal-Mart greeters? -
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Wed, November 22, 2006 - 7:58 AMAlthough it is nice to have greeters, still it bothers me that they are there. They should be knitting, playing cards and enjoying their Golden Years.
I know a lot of retirees are bored but still it just irks me that someone will sit there and have such a boring job.
My background is Japanese and I remember a whole lot of unnecessary jobs to keep everyone employed, there were 4 people servicing each checkout in the grocery store, elevator girls, doormen everywhere and a host of safety guards at construction sites, now that is all done away with.
I hope Walmart does not encourage this type of behavior in the retail world. -
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Fri, November 24, 2006 - 11:01 AMOnce globalization has reduced the average American to a pauper, giant corporations such as Wal-mart will be able to afford to have many employees doing such things.
Hmm, the working class people who live well now, on union jobs, such as Ford workers, why, they will be mowing grass full time, and their wives will be maids for the only other class in America. The rich.
betcha that's where we're headed
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Fri, November 24, 2006 - 12:29 PMHere's a thought...perhaps each of us should aspire to be above average.
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Fri, January 19, 2007 - 10:26 AMI dont think we'vew really strayed to far away from that, servant master relationship ever.
Only thing is, that now "we" dont even realize that there has alway been a ruling class. And we who work period are slave to this ruling class.
Corperation. Monarchy. Government.
not that its intention is "bad" per se, the above, just currupted over the generations of following certain blah blah blahs you know......
My point is this.....get ready for change....one world order.
its here. Dont be fooled......
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Wed, November 29, 2006 - 4:37 PM"a whole lot of unnecessary jobs to keep everyone employed, there were 4 people servicing each checkout in the grocery store, elevator girls, doormen everywhere and a host of safety guards at construction sites"
I witnessed that sort of thing in China several years ago...hundreds of guys patching/paving a road in Beijing with hand trowels, the poor girls in Moon Cake kiosks in hotels, standing for hours, silently offering their goods to a largely uninterested public. I guess they could, instead, sit at home and collect welfare, if they have such a thing there.
"Although it is nice to have greeters, still it bothers me that they are there. They should be knitting, playing cards and enjoying their Golden Years.
I know a lot of retirees are bored but still it just irks me that someone will sit there and have such a boring job. "
What you may not have considered is that many folks do that kind of job because they haven't saved enough for retirement and may need the additional income. Plus, it's not taxing physically (something an older, arthritic or otherwise partially disabled person would prefer) and they probably see a lot of people that they know during their shift. Loneliness is very common in people as they age, with their peers dying all around them and fewer places and opportunities to socialize.
It might be worth asking (if you ever find yourself in Wal-Mart again) the next greeter you see why they would do such a boring job. My guess is that entertainment is not their primary motivation. -
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 10:33 AMActually it might be, some of them are bored as hell. That's sad I hope I don't get that way when I am older, alot of old people still have a strong mind, but they are unsuitable for most workforces because they balk or aren't as fast or as strong as the younger ones. There is no easy solution maybe Walmart is really helping these old people, but I think it's their practice of world domination that is reducing the American workforce to a bunch of dumb complaining no-thinkers. -
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 12:52 PMI'm not sure how you can blame Wal-mart for "reducing the American workforce to a bunch of dumb complaining no-thinkers," but I suspect that the answer won't bet found by boycotting Wal-mart. Most companies would give their first-born to be in the position to be accused of the "practice of world domination.," so they are by no means unique in their mission.
Wal-mart is not perfect and isn't always the ideal corporate citizen, but they also do a lot of good things that will never be mentioned in this tribe. It's OK to be an anti-capitalist/social progressive in a free society and one is entitled to look upon free-market success stories with disdain and suspect exploitation as the salient part of the formula. But in that free society no one is forced to work for or buy from anyone and the lifespan of a business is determined by market forces. If Wal-mart is exploiting/treating it's workers unfairly or fails to act reasonably in commerce, eventually no one will work for/sell to/buy from them, unless they have a true monopoly.
I, for one, am not as concerned about the Wal-marts of the world as I am about the governments, movements and groups who seek the power to stifle, control or otherwise eliminate the free enterprise which enables business and free people to flourish.
A rising tide raises all ships. Compare the "poor" in America with the destitute in other countries and you'll see the evidence of that. -
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 4:21 AMWhile that site makes for interesting reading, I'd be interested in seeing the facts in their proper context. How does Wal-mart compare to the other box stores in the areas of wages and benefits? What is the breakdown of full-time vs. part-time employees? How long does the average employee work there? Why did they work there in the first place and why did they leave? These are important things to consider when you're given such "facts".
While being paid $3.45 or $1.23 (or roughly 27.6 or 9.84 Yuan) per day may seem criminally little, folks in China make about that much anyway. I got an awesome massage there for a mere 20 Yuan, back in 2000.
A corporation of Wal-mart's size is going to make mistakes...we all do. The question is whether they make amends and adjustments where appropriate. I'm sure you believe that they are hell-bent on exploiting people, wrecking the environment, destroying our economy and taking over the world. I just don't believe it.
I know some people who have made Wal-mart their career and far more who've worked there part-time/temporarily before moving on to a better job. If it's so bad, why would someone work there for a long time? Either you like it or you have no salable skills sufficient to move on. If it's the latter, be thankful they took a chance on you. -
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Mon, December 18, 2006 - 10:19 AMTrue, then again you can barely buy a burger here for $3.45. Working an hour for a burger?? I think not.
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 5:46 AM>Although it is nice to have greeters, still it bothers me that they
>are there. They should be knitting, playing cards and enjoying
>their Golden Years.
Believe it or not, there are some people who like to be out and about and around other people. Knitting and playing cards can be boring. Talking to people of all ages and being out in the world can be a lot more fun...and you can get paid for doing it.
WW
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Thu, December 28, 2006 - 5:44 AM>but this year will be allowed to say, "Merry Christmas"? I
Awwwwwwwww, come on now. This PC stuff is getting so ridiculous. Let them say what they like. How does it hurt you to be greeted that way?
Look up "Goddess loving pagan" in the dictionary and you'll see my picture there. It has never bothered me to be wished Merry Christmas or Happy Kwanzaa or Happy Hanukah. It's the wish that counts.
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Thu, December 28, 2006 - 11:37 AMThank you!! My sediments egg-zackly!
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Re: Wal-Mart and the Bill of Rights
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 11:43 AMme too, me too, me too!!! if someone's a christian, doesn't it make sense that they would say "merry christmas"? i am not, by the way (christian, that is), but i have never understood why i should be offended by someone sending happy wishes my way. don't we have enough real issues to focus on? come on, people!
it's so nice to hear someone else speak these thoughts. thanks, guys. . . -
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 8:59 AMIf I ever go back to a Wally World all I want to here is 'Do you need a basket?'
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