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Being grumpy makes you a better critical thinker and a better communicator...?
For some reason I thought of you, Fifi (in your anti-woo vigilance.) ;-) (And the researcher mentioned in the article is Australian.)
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8339647.stm
From Skepchick Quickies (no, no, not that kind of quickie. Get your mind out of the gutter. More room there for mine.)
For some reason I thought of you, Fifi (in your anti-woo vigilance.) ;-) (And the researcher mentioned in the article is Australian.)
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8339647.stm
From Skepchick Quickies (no, no, not that kind of quickie. Get your mind out of the gutter. More room there for mine.)
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Re: The upside of being grumpy
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:32 PMHeh, good to know being cranky at least serves a purpose. Though I'm certainly not cranky all the time! Interesting study, thanks for posting it and, er, thanks for thinking of me...I think...Kai! :-) Btw, I'm much more tolerant of woo in my everyday life - I just got sick of seeing people trying to con people in the science tribes here. But, yeah, I like a good round of critical thinking with like-minded people...often quite positive things come from it :-)
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Re: The upside of being grumpy
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 6:10 PMI love that article. Haha. And I have known that stuff for a long time. Actually part of our culture, undilute optimism, constant smiles, exaggerate friendliness is considered as something rather shallow in Germany. We love the deep digging, dark, gloomy stuff. ; ) And anything uncritical is considered as just that- in other words, a little stupid. -
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Re: The upside of being grumpy
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 6:12 PM"undiluted..." (the d-key let me down this morning)
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Re: The upside of being grumpy
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 10:06 PMYeah, just look at Beethoven's facial expression.
The comments sections of the article is amusing too. -
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Re: The upside of being grumpy
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 10:29 PMRight. Passion does not smile sweetly nor behaves in a passive aggressive way. -
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Re: The upside of being grumpy
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 12:15 AMI love this comment on that page, this is so true!
"Being grumpy or depressed goes hand in hand with thinking. When you're continually happy you can just skim along on the surface of life and not examine anything too deeply. Which is cause and which is effect, I don't know"
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Chicken or egg?
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:22 PMSo: are people better thinkers because they are grumpy, or is grumpiness simply a corollary of a lucid mind (and the state of the world)?
Perhaps it's the realization that it's all a lot more complicated and intractable that nurtures their grumpiness, or their despair at the air-head's incessant quik-n-eezy solutions.
And what of the delightful pleasure of pure thought? I can't imagine Bethe, the first to figure out how stars work, thinking "ah, Humbug!". -
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Re: Chicken or egg?
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 6:25 AMmichael - I wondered about that myself but from reading the article about the study it seems that it isn't so much that grumpy people are better thinkers but that we all tend to think more clearly/realistically when we're grumpy (no matter our basic outlook). The article is also pretty clear that being optimistic is the source of other very needed qualities of thought, including creativity. Grumpy is good for editing processes but it's not really that good for the initial creative stages of a project it seems (and my experience bears this out but I may just agree because I have a confirmation bias acting up). Pessimism is no more realistic than optimism really, and it's a bit hard to tell how they're really defining each state/mood/attitude. I mean, there are plenty of things about the world that are unpleasant but it's also filled with beauty, love and all kinds of pleasant things too. I'd suggest that we see the world and situations most clearly when we're not actually putting them in an emotional light (being grumpy or optimistic) that casts either a negative or positive light on them. Things are what they are but our human brains like/need to discern/judge them as good or bad and it takes practice to be able to get beyond that even for a little while (not that emotions don't play a critical role in the decision making process and aren't useful, they're just innately subjective in the light they cast on something).
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