drugs are a short cut

topic posted Thu, June 29, 2006 - 10:54 AM by  offlinered
i think drugs are a short cut to what you can find in life by just spending time contemplating.

my martial arts sifu says that what ever he teaches we try to understand but what we discover on our own, we own.

i feel the same about drugs: the drugs teach us and is a short cut. if we discover it on our own, how much more relevant that would be.
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  • Re: drugs are a short cut

    Thu, June 29, 2006 - 12:44 PM
    yay, Red. You are so right on!! And sometimes the epiphanies from the night before evaporate in the light of day if we were under the influence when we had them. If we take our own steps towards understanding, deliberately and consciously, it is more like a fruition than a short cut.
  • Re: drugs are a short cut

    Thu, July 13, 2006 - 12:54 AM
    I'm not sure about this. Part of me thinks drugs are a no cut -- not even short. Like figuring out the meaning of life, and forgetting it. That's a no cut. I think that's what happens a lot when drugs are used recreationally. The mind/spirit are protected from seeing or remembering too much about what happens while under the influence. On the other hand, I'm not entirely convinced that sacred use of drugs is a shortcut. I feel like there might be categories of drug use. I think there might be (possibly and for some people) a way of using drugs that is genuinely useful. I'm not advocating drug use, and I'm not saying anyone who feels susceptible to drug abuse should decide they are engaging in "sacred" drug use, when they really are just getting messed up. But I think there may be a reason for all these substances being in the world. I'm sure the reason isn't so that college freshman can wonder if they really exist...
  • Re: drugs are a short cut

    Tue, July 18, 2006 - 4:59 AM
    i use other things than drugs to mind alter: bdsm, sex and music being my faves! i don't know if they count as "short cuts" too, but drugs are just our drive-thru-mentality-as-a-culture's idea of a good time (like allopathic medicine's idea to treat the symptom and not the cause of the disease). the fact that abusers, of any form of mind altering substance including sex or music, etc., often can't remember the event, just proves abuse, not the goodness or badness of the substance, even drugs.

    my cents-worth of an opinion....
    • Re: drugs are a short cut

      Tue, July 18, 2006 - 11:02 AM
      I agree with you here. There are religions that do believe in ritualistic drug use, however those drugs are used infrequently. And drugs do only treat the symptoms and not the cause. Because there is always the underlying reason why people abuse drugs. But this is refering to drug abuse and people who heavily use, even in a recreational situations. But, mind you, I am stating for those who are heavy users.

      But I do believe there is a spiritual aspect to certain drugs, and they're legal in those circumstances (peyote for Navajoes, along those lines). But the use of those drugs is so infrequent that you don't run into other problems that are indicative of heavy use; like building up an immunity to the drugs effect so that you need to take more and more to let the drug have the same effect.

      And this is my two shiny copper pieces opinion.

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