“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” - Ron Paul
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Wed, January 2, 2008 - 10:57 PMDidn't say it. Was a staffer who wrote the article and was fired because of it.
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Wed, January 2, 2008 - 11:14 PMThe staffer was not fired, and it was written with Ron Paul's consent, he put his name on it. It's no different than any political speech nowadays that is written by professional speechwriters. -
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Wed, January 2, 2008 - 11:17 PMActually, he didn't write it... the guy wasn't a paid staffer, and he has since denied it. Nothing RP has written before or since has that feel or tone.
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 1:07 PMI haven't seen a credible source for these statements. Most of what we believe we know is based on nothing more than faith anyway.
This sparks some philosophical ideas of mine regarding ideas and beliefs themselves.
A person's beliefs are not as important as their actions. It takes action to harm another - belief alone can not do so.
The people who are trying to make this world worse set aside their fundamental differences and focus on the actions which are consistent with the beliefs they DO share.
Those of use who would make the world a better place, we too must set aside our differences in order to focus on the actions which are consisten with our beliefs.
For me, personally, Paul's belief on abortion is a great example. (but please, if you want to discuss the abotion issue, start a thread for it and odn't muddy up the race discussion with abortion talk)
Dr. Paul and I differ in our PERSONAL belief about abortion, but we agree in the fundamental role of government regarding abortion. The federal government has no constitutional authority to rule, regulate or legislate regarding abortion, and it's therefore left to the state and local governments to decide. The issue is beyond their legal jurisdiction, and should therefore be hands off. So although there is a candidate out there who agrees with my personal on abortion, if they're out to write laws, subsidize programs, regulate, or otherwise take any action regarding abortion, then we do not agree on the role the government should be taking.
Regarding the race issue: Based on the words that I KNOW Dr. Paul to speak, I could not see him having expressed such things. He understands that our rights are guaranteed to us not because we are part of a group. We - as individuals - have our rights by nature. They are not bestowed upon us by the government. The rights of NO group f people can be denied if the rights of the individual are upheld. As such, the individual is the greatest minority. This stance is the most humanitarian I've heard, and furthest from a racial idealogy than I can think.
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Ron Paul on race.
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 1:11 PMHere's a Ron Paul quote on race that IS sourced.
Taken from "What Really Divides Us?"
by Rep Ron. Paul, December24, 2002
www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individual who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their intense focus on race is inherently racist, because it views individuals only as members of racial groups."
"The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees – while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism." -
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Sun, January 13, 2008 - 9:33 PMHere's how he felt (or at the very least published in his newletter only 10 years earlier:
...[t]ake, for instance, a special issue of the Ron Paul Political Report, published in June 1992, dedicated to explaining the Los Angeles riots of that year. "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began," read one typical passage. According to the newsletter, the looting was a natural byproduct of government indulging the black community with "'civil rights,' quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda." It also denounced "the media" for believing that "America's number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks." To be fair, the newsletter did praise Asian merchants in Los Angeles, but only because they had the gumption to resist political correctness and fight back. Koreans were "the only people to act like real Americans," it explained, "mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our rotten liberal culture, which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back and think of England."
From The New Republic's website www.tnr.com/politics/story.html -
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 8:55 AMIt's been made clear that Ron Paul took no part in that publication.
CNN's Wolf Blitzer gave him an opportunity to speak directly on this just last week:
www.dailypaul.com/node/24262
Nelson Linder; The President of the Austin Branch of the NAACP has known Paul for 20 years, and has now gone public in his defense. He hits the nail on the head when he says that these attacks are simply because Paul is a threat to the establishment.
www.dailypaul.com/node/25562
As long as Ron Paul remains a threat to the establishment, the smears and attackes will continue.
I can understand the motivation of those who are committed and dedicated to the establishment. What I don't understand is the motivation of those who are just as much a victim of the establishment as any other average American.
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 12:28 PMCant everyone see this is simply an attempt by the elite to slow down Ron Paul's momentum in the primaries? And the whole movement has fallen for it. Pretty sad if you ask me. -
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 7:35 PMNot sure which "movement" has fallen for it, but as to his not having anything to do with the newsletter-
didn't he start it, continue to publish it as a congressman, and allow his name to be used for the entire duration?
Whether or not he wrote it, it doesn't give me a lot of faith in his executive ability if he let is slide..
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Mon, January 14, 2008 - 10:40 PMRon Paul is a dream come true when it comes to a politicians standing for things others have never stood for, and being honest. I am in NO way even close to being a racist. But with the pros outweighing the cons with this guy, I could really care if he was a racist. Isn't every other politicians in this country just a nazi in a different uniform anyways? -
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:59 AMEvery other politician in this country is a nazi?
Alright, cool. Let's go blow up some train
I'm not saying Ron Paul is necessarily a racist (and I absolutely do care if a politician is a racist- it's ignorant and destructive thinking any way you slice it), but I will say that he either
a: catered to racism (and conspiracy theories and rabid anti-communist rhetoric and and and and) with an eye towards fundraising or selling newsletters, or
b: doesn't exactly run a very tight ship, certainly not in any way that would make me even slightly comfortable with him, say, running the executive branch of our country.
I agree with him on many issues socially, and actually love his inclusion in the race; but I can't get behind strict libertarian doctrine (for instance, I think that having a fire department is a good idea) or his past. I don't think that that makes me an elite. Maybe I'm wrong... -
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Re: Ron Paul on race.
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 12:32 PMHey Ernest,
Regarding the newsletter:
It's important to note that this was going out during the time that Paul was no longer a government official, and had returned to his medical practice. He's taken responsibility for allowing it to be printed while it did not have his oversight.
Regarding Libertarianism:
You refer to Fire Departments, which are already under local jurisdiction - not federal. Libertarianism is not inconsistent with this.
It's similar to education. Local and state governments provide education - not the federal government. But we have the federal Department of Education making decisions on behalf of every local and state government, which is unconstitutional, completely unnecessary, and a huge waste of tax-payer dollars.
We would not lose public education by dismantling the DOE. We would lose federal government control over public education.
Most of what the federal government does is not authorized by the constitution, and often is done at the cost of our liberty. This is why the constitution frames such a small, limited federal government - because the founders understood that society is governed more efficiently on a smaller, local scale, and that the larger, more centralized the federal government, the less free are the people.
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