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If Burning Man is over (which I don't think it is) what is the Next Big Thing that'll capture the heart of the counter culture in SF and elsewhere?
That just triggered another thought in my head... is the counter culture in the bay area what really died? And the changes to Burning Man are just a symptom of that death?
That just triggered another thought in my head... is the counter culture in the bay area what really died? And the changes to Burning Man are just a symptom of that death?
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Wed, June 10, 2009 - 10:01 PMThe fat lady hasnt sung yet.. and it isnt dead.. but I do think its evolving... it has to..
not sure of the specifics but it has something to do with energy and inertia it started to change the minute it was born.. -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 6:48 AMIf you're assuming something is next, does that mean something came before Burning Man?
What was it? -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:52 PMDuck huntin'
always hazbeen always wilby -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:15 PMDude, why you always gotta duck the issue? -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:21 PMYou quack me up!
I went to flipside (in Austin) this year. I found it to be so much better than burningman, as they had taken much of what makes burningman great, and made efforts to minimize the not-so-pleasant parts. -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:45 PMNo Trustafarians Allowed, huh?
Great Idea!
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 6:25 PMWeazie said:
>> I went to flipside (in Austin) this year. I found it to be so much better than burningman
So how was it better? How is it different? Do they allow vending? Is there a lot of art? Fewer rules? -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 4:02 PM* Flipside is much smaller (2500 person cap); much higher participant-to-spectator ratio. (And nearly creepy-guy free!)
* Only thing is vended is ice. (Coffee vending at BM has always been a peeve of mine.)
* There is some art, but not as much, as the land wouldn't really allow for anything truly large scale (like Big Rig Jig) or crazy (like Crude Awakening)
* Theme camps are there (but fewer truly interactive ones)
* Land is more hospitable: no skin-destroying desert (just Texas hill country); creek for swimming; public showers (cold water never ran out, but the hot water sometimes did -- still: HOT showers??!?)
* Although hot, not quite as hot during the day, and certainly not as cold at night.
* No dust storms (it usually does a "Texas-sized rain" once during the festival, but it (and the aftereffects) quickly pass).
* Rules are about the same (park your car, no guns/fireworks, no pets, etc.)
* Tickets are cheaper ($80 for 5 days)
* If there was any law enforcement out there, I didn't see 'em. -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 3:00 PMHmmm... I'd want more art. I want to do 3D photography.
Is there a culminating mass event like the burn of the man? -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 7:54 PMThere is a culminating mass at the end. An huge effigy is built and burned.
This year, however, there was no burn due to the weather (hot and mostly dry). So it instead of burning the effigy, it was "rapidly disassembled."
True, not the most inspiring of endings, but for those of us who consider the actual burning of the actual man to be overrated, it was fine (and actually kinda funny). -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 9:50 PM"RApidly disassembled" could be fun if it involved a wrecking ball.... -
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 9:50 PM"Wrecked Man"
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 8:41 AMDude, you need to try Interfuse too. A lot of the hard rocking midwest burners hit both venues as a warm-up for BRC.
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Re: What was the former Burning Man.
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 2:23 PMI think perhaps the Cacophony societies zone trips were "before" but maybe you are right, maybe there is no next and we are experiencing the one and only incarnation of this type of thing.
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 4:43 PMLarry's Annual Fundraiser will be moved to Las Vegas with two performances nightly? -
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 10:15 PMCirque de Larry! Be sure to stay till the end to see the topless "rave" dancers.
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 5:32 PMI'm walking barefoot to X-Day www.subgenius.com/newdevivals.html
They have MUCH better rules than the uptight fucks at Burningdork. www.subgenius.com/bigfist/f...Donts.html
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 12:58 PMBurning Man will most deffinately evolve. All things do, especially communities.
I predict that there will be Burning Man prodigies - not immitations, but smaller events that will spring up in the spirit of an evolving tribe, small regional evnets and campout festivals will begin to happen as a result of the ecomonmic hardhips that we are enduring. Burners will want the connection, but won't be able to travel.
Last year I posted about how difficult it is for teachers to go to Black Rock City in Labor Day Week becasue it happens durring the first week or two of the new school year. This is a critical time for establishing an important bond and flow in a new class - which is a community expereince, and has many of the same psychological dynamics that play out at the Burn (on the psyclogical level of community building and bonding, along with the radical self relaince that shcools demand on students through the traditional educational modalities,) So I for one would really appreciate something cropping up earlier in the summer that was a little less financially drining - and a little closer to home.
Most Burners are already part of a 'camp' which is a small cellular community within the larger one - so there's a strat for keeping BM alive, and even giving birth to samller more local incarantion.
Sure it wouldn't be the same! Yet it has potential to be something in a similar spirit with a new incarnation.
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 4:25 PM<< If Burning Man is over (which I don't think it is) >>
I don't think it is either, but this is a fascinating question. I think, what with the economic "downturn" (polite euphemism for "Second Great Depression"), they'll be a lot more local activity. I go to a lot of events here in LA and there's no end of new folks. What could happen is the Burn itself might contract for a year or three.
<< is the counter culture in the bay area what really died? And the changes to Burning Man are just a symptom of that death? >>
Likely so. In any event, Burning Man has been *far* from being an SF event for quite a while now.
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Re: What is the next Burning Man.
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 12:19 PMAre you suggesting that the changes to BMan are specifically related to the changes in counter culture of SF? I would think that with 40-50K people attending, the ebbs and flows of the festival from year to year would be a bit beyond the direct influence of a single city on the globe.. Might be interesting to see the stats of where attendees come from throughout the world... -
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Re: Shhhh
Mon, August 10, 2009 - 9:22 AMAll I know for sure is, 2012 will be The Apocalypse.
And what's with all this Schools-Starting-Before-Labor-Day crap anyway?
Is it just a plot by the establishment to stop teachers from being 'corrupted' by BM and then returning to 'corrupt' their students?
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