What is the next Burning Man.

topic posted Wed, June 3, 2009 - 1:26 PM by  1durphul
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If Burning Man is over (which I don't think it is) what is the Next Big Thing that'll capture the heart of the counter culture in SF and elsewhere?

That just triggered another thought in my head... is the counter culture in the bay area what really died? And the changes to Burning Man are just a symptom of that death?
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  • Re: What is the next Burning Man.

    Wed, June 10, 2009 - 10:01 PM
    The fat lady hasnt sung yet.. and it isnt dead.. but I do think its evolving... it has to..

    not sure of the specifics but it has something to do with energy and inertia it started to change the minute it was born..
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      Re: What was the former Burning Man.

      Thu, June 11, 2009 - 6:48 AM
      If you're assuming something is next, does that mean something came before Burning Man?

      What was it?
      • Re: What was the former Burning Man.

        Thu, June 11, 2009 - 1:52 PM
        Duck huntin'

        always hazbeen always wilby
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          Re: What was the former Burning Man.

          Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:15 PM
          Dude, why you always gotta duck the issue?
          • Re: What was the former Burning Man.

            Thu, June 11, 2009 - 2:21 PM
            You quack me up!


            I went to flipside (in Austin) this year. I found it to be so much better than burningman, as they had taken much of what makes burningman great, and made efforts to minimize the not-so-pleasant parts.
            • Re: What was the former Burning Man.

              Fri, June 12, 2009 - 6:25 PM
              Weazie said:

              >> I went to flipside (in Austin) this year. I found it to be so much better than burningman

              So how was it better? How is it different? Do they allow vending? Is there a lot of art? Fewer rules?
              • Re: What was the former Burning Man.

                Wed, June 17, 2009 - 4:02 PM
                * Flipside is much smaller (2500 person cap); much higher participant-to-spectator ratio. (And nearly creepy-guy free!)
                * Only thing is vended is ice. (Coffee vending at BM has always been a peeve of mine.)
                * There is some art, but not as much, as the land wouldn't really allow for anything truly large scale (like Big Rig Jig) or crazy (like Crude Awakening)
                * Theme camps are there (but fewer truly interactive ones)
                * Land is more hospitable: no skin-destroying desert (just Texas hill country); creek for swimming; public showers (cold water never ran out, but the hot water sometimes did -- still: HOT showers??!?)
                * Although hot, not quite as hot during the day, and certainly not as cold at night.
                * No dust storms (it usually does a "Texas-sized rain" once during the festival, but it (and the aftereffects) quickly pass).
                * Rules are about the same (park your car, no guns/fireworks, no pets, etc.)
                * Tickets are cheaper ($80 for 5 days)
                * If there was any law enforcement out there, I didn't see 'em.
  • Re: What is the next Burning Man.

    Sat, July 25, 2009 - 12:58 PM
    Burning Man will most deffinately evolve. All things do, especially communities.
    I predict that there will be Burning Man prodigies - not immitations, but smaller events that will spring up in the spirit of an evolving tribe, small regional evnets and campout festivals will begin to happen as a result of the ecomonmic hardhips that we are enduring. Burners will want the connection, but won't be able to travel.
    Last year I posted about how difficult it is for teachers to go to Black Rock City in Labor Day Week becasue it happens durring the first week or two of the new school year. This is a critical time for establishing an important bond and flow in a new class - which is a community expereince, and has many of the same psychological dynamics that play out at the Burn (on the psyclogical level of community building and bonding, along with the radical self relaince that shcools demand on students through the traditional educational modalities,) So I for one would really appreciate something cropping up earlier in the summer that was a little less financially drining - and a little closer to home.

    Most Burners are already part of a 'camp' which is a small cellular community within the larger one - so there's a strat for keeping BM alive, and even giving birth to samller more local incarantion.

    Sure it wouldn't be the same! Yet it has potential to be something in a similar spirit with a new incarnation.
  • Re: What is the next Burning Man.

    Sun, July 26, 2009 - 4:25 PM
    << If Burning Man is over (which I don't think it is) >>

    I don't think it is either, but this is a fascinating question. I think, what with the economic "downturn" (polite euphemism for "Second Great Depression"), they'll be a lot more local activity. I go to a lot of events here in LA and there's no end of new folks. What could happen is the Burn itself might contract for a year or three.

    << is the counter culture in the bay area what really died? And the changes to Burning Man are just a symptom of that death? >>

    Likely so. In any event, Burning Man has been *far* from being an SF event for quite a while now.
  • Re: What is the next Burning Man.

    Mon, July 27, 2009 - 12:19 PM
    Are you suggesting that the changes to BMan are specifically related to the changes in counter culture of SF? I would think that with 40-50K people attending, the ebbs and flows of the festival from year to year would be a bit beyond the direct influence of a single city on the globe.. Might be interesting to see the stats of where attendees come from throughout the world...
    • Shhhh

      Fri, July 31, 2009 - 12:42 AM
      shimminy sh shh shiminy
      • Re: Shhhh

        Mon, August 10, 2009 - 9:22 AM
        All I know for sure is, 2012 will be The Apocalypse.

        And what's with all this Schools-Starting-Before-Labor-Day crap anyway?

        Is it just a plot by the establishment to stop teachers from being 'corrupted' by BM and then returning to 'corrupt' their students?