A few tips for tent comforts

topic posted Thu, August 23, 2007 - 1:56 PM by  Genie
* KOOL TIE (see my photo - that blue thing on my neck) I got mine at REI for @10.00. I worked before and after BM, and it saved my sanity by keeping me from overheating.
* Plastic drawer bins: Best stackable solution. Easy to see, access and sort. Place under a table to minimize dust. All items in drawers were zipped.
* King-sized sheet to cover bed and pillows and protect from dust. Don't sleep under it, just cover when you aren't in bed.
* Folding table.
* Cheap dressing mirror.
* Collapsible clothing rack.
* Large funnel: Made from a plastic milk jug and protected from dust. This will come in handy when filling containers and camelbacks. It was used by friends and myself since my water was carried in...
* 5-gallon buckets with lids: I could stack heavy items on the full containers (actually filled to 4 gallons each) when traveling in van. This is how I brought my water that I donated for the camp dishwashing and how I washed my hair and body in the tent. When the container is empty, it makes a great hamper and/or covered trash can. They stack within themselves. For hair washing, I just dunked my head in and swirled my hair in 3 inches of water. A camp mate liked the idea and borrowed my bucket for her hair washing.
* Pump garden sprayer: Great cooling mist outside. Great for showering/rinsing in tent.
* Bathtub: I found a large plastic bin that I filled with dry goods to travel, then emptied in tent. On days when I needed to bathe and there was a dust storm outside - no problem! Stand or sit in bin and use garden sprayer.
* Extra dozen rebar: someone will not have enough.
* Foil: Cover your car windows on the inside with foil. This will keep it cool inside. After the huge "Wednesday dust-devil" that whipped through our camp last year, my tent was too dusty to sleep in - I slept in the van and was grateful for blacked-out windows.
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Genie
SF Bay Area
  • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

    Thu, August 23, 2007 - 8:20 PM
    Four words: Queen Size Air Matress!
    My dad's coming to town the day after I get back, and I give up the bedroom for him, so I'm just going to pitch the tent again in the backyard and sleep there for another week.
    • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

      Thu, August 23, 2007 - 10:08 PM
      Yes! And 2 wool blankets underneath! I found that my air mattress absorbed the ground chill at night.... The blankets came in handy when a friend had his sleeping bag "borrowed".... he nearly froze his a** off.
      • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

        Sun, September 30, 2007 - 3:42 PM
        I can't stand air mattresses. I went to the Ashby Flea Market in Berkeley and bought 4 comforters for $40. Used two as a mattress, to as blankets. Brought two pillows from my bed at home. I was comfortable and warm.

        Now at home the comforters are being enjoyed by my pooch as bedding.
        • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

          Sun, September 30, 2007 - 3:52 PM
          The cabela's foalding airbed frame is a must for us (our "roughing it" days seem to be fading a bit)
          The link is super long..if it doesn't work go to the cabela's website and look up "folding airbed frame"
          and oooohhhhh....after years of using air mattresses on the ground and inevitably having somebody's hip bones hit the ground...or waking up feeling a bit achy, this thing is wonderful. It has the added bonus of being at a "regular" bed height, which mentally seems to make a big difference. We geeked out and got the two sleeping bags that zip together.
          :)

          www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en...tal-pod.jsp
          • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

            Sun, September 30, 2007 - 4:36 PM
            Ohhhhh. I like. Was it firm? I may order one of these for next year.
            • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

              Sun, September 30, 2007 - 7:12 PM
              You can blow up the mattress with a lot of air to make it firm. We always sleep well on it and a friend of ours who has serious back issues (even after surgery) used it for a week without any problems (typically two days on an airmattress on the floor and he can't move around easily for the next week or two)
              :)
              Friends and family have all slept on it without ay problems.
              If you are not going to use a sleeping bag on it, I do recommend putting something warm underneath you. With any air mattress, when camping, we always has the problem of staying warm untill we began to use the additonal comforter under us.
  • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

    Fri, February 15, 2008 - 9:58 AM
    Another thing to add is a spray bottle of Fabreeze to settle the dust before bedding down at night. Actually any spray mister will work.

    When sleeping in a tent on playa I utilize either a "Thermarest" brand self-inflatable backpacking pad or just a foam rubber mattress overlaid by a moving blanket. Very comfy either way.

    If you can add some extra fabric of any kind between the tent body and the tent's rainfly it'll stay way cooler. Again, moving blankets work well for this purpose.

    Pitch your tent to the west of a high profile vehicle or shade structure. This will give you another hour or three of protection from the sun allowing you to sleep in later.
  • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

    Sat, February 16, 2008 - 6:28 PM
    ** I have to add another vote for an air mattress or pad of some kind. **

    I used to think this was some kind of princess-y cop out. Then I started reading backpacking, camping and hiking materials and they all mention the importance of some kind of ground pad or inflatable matress. It's not just about the extra padding, it's about heat conservation. You need something between your bag and the ground so you don't lose all your body heat to the cold ground. And an extra blanket is just not going to do it.

    My Testimonial:
    It really, truly does make a world of difference in your comfort, and therefore your state of mind and your enjoyment. I used one for the first time at our regional last year. This was in high desert and it was unusually cold that year. It rained, snowed, or rained and snow every day. We woke up to slush piled on our tent and our water froze overnight. The majority of people were miserable and uncomfortable, it was a harsh year by everyone's standards. I'm the kind of person that is painfully cold when it drops below 60. Seriously. I'm totally incapable of making or maintaining my own body heat. But I actually had a great time at the eventIn part due to the fact that I was warmer when I slept and actually did get some sleep. It made such a difference in my outlook.

    You can get discounted pads on places like www.overstock.com and www.sierratradingpost.com . Target sells a Coleman queen size inflatable mattress with built-in battery powered inflator and carrying bag for $30. You may even be able to find a used one at a thrift store or ebay.
    • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

      Sat, February 16, 2008 - 6:42 PM
      to add to the tent info:
      here's an earlier post on some things to consider when choosing a tent for the playa:
      eplaya.burningman.com/viewtopic.php

      and here's an earlier post with info on the 2 tents I owned (the smaller one was stolen last year. #@$% assholes):
      eplaya.burningman.com/viewtopic.php

      I've been reading about people using a kind of mylar bubble insulation between their tent and fly to keep it cooler and bypass the over-tent shade structure. I haven't tried this yet, but I think it's worth looking into. IMO you absolutely need some kind of additional shade element combined with your tent when on the playa.
      • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

        Sun, February 17, 2008 - 11:36 AM
        i totally agree, another thing we found is that having your bed and food in separate tents or at least areas is totally awesome.

        and precooking food and freezing, then using that to keep cooler cool is amazing. having pre-cooked homemade stew or bean chili is amazing and crowd pleaser, with little effort, and it works with bacon too!!!!
  • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

    Sat, February 16, 2008 - 7:06 PM
    just wanted to give some more Yes votes to some of the things Genie recommended:

    * KOOL TIE

    ...I'm hoping to make some things based on the kool tie for my next playa trip. Also wetting your hat or clothes can help keep you cool. Anyone know if it's ok to use your shower grey water (not food grey water) for hat and clothes wet downs?

    * King-sized sheet to cover bed and pillows and protect from dust. Don't sleep under it, just cover when you aren't in bed.

    ...I don't do the sheet thing, but I do make sure to cover the bedding.
    First, I always put the pillows *inside* the sleeping bag when I get up. Even if the tent gets buried in dust, you won't have to put your face in it.
    Second, I make sure the blankets and bag are flat (not bunched up or twisted around, letting dust inside) and then folding the bedding together in half, pulling the bottom end up to the pillow end. That keeps the dust on the underside of the bedding, leaving the top part that's exposed to my hands and face cleaner.

    * Plastic drawer bins: Best stackable solution. Easy to see, access and sort. Place under a table to minimize dust. All items in drawers were zipped.

    ...While those soft duffle bags are great for airplane trips, they're not very helpful for playa camping. Though the plastic bins or drawers may seem like they take up more room, they are so much more useful than luggage bags. First, they're better at keeping dust out. Second, they keep your stuff easily accessible and organized: no rummaging through an every-milling load of stuff and no endless searching in the dark. Third, you can use the top of the bin or drawer as a table or nightstand.

    * Foil: Cover your car windows on the inside with foil.

    ...I just use one of those foil windshield visor, the kind meant for when you park your car in the summer. I've heard some people cut them up and use them for the other windows too. It's a good idea to have something blocking the sun from your car. One, it will prevent the things you have locked in there (like an ipod) from becoming damaged from the intense heat. Two, it will make prevent your car from turning into an oven (unless you plan to cook on the dashboard, in which case you want to use it as an oven). Three, it will make it more comfortable when you get in it to drive home.

    In addition:
    - Consider a small, portable camp stove.
    Even a single burner just big enough for a tea kettle or soup pot can make a big difference. Every time I've done playa camping or regional camping (just as cold) I've been reminded how a hot beverage or soup makes cold evenings or cold mornings 10x more manageable and enjoyable. When you've been eating dry foods for 3 or 4 days a hot bowl of soup is the most amazing thing you've ever had. A cup of hot chocolate or hot coffee in the morning makes everything seem less annoying. ;) The other reason I was able to enjoy myself at last year's regional despite the rain and snow was due to the stove. It was the first time I'd ever used one and now I consider it essential. Being able to offer a neighbor coffee in the morning will also make you many friends. :)

    - for those starting out from scratch, here's some thoughts on what gear you'll need:
    tribes.tribe.net/burningma...db5af5eb75
    • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

      Sat, February 16, 2008 - 11:37 PM
      If you can park your tent on the lee side of a larger structure close up and with the door facing said larger structure it'll make a world of difference with the dust. When last I went in 06, I set my tent up next to a friends big desert storm tent, then I tied the edge of a canvas tarp to his tent and used it as a fly over my tent. In spite of a broken door zipper (I was only able to close the screen door), My shit was completely dust free the whole time.

      Also, if you have one laying around, I highly recommend massage tables for sleeping on. It's nice to be up a little bit higher, and the space under the table is great for storage. Speaking of space, I use an 8x12 foot tent for myself. The girlfriend is coming this year, and we'll share a 10x20 foot tent. BMan ain't backpacking. You want lots of shit.

      And finally, if your tent isn't too tightly sealed, and you don't run it for too long, that stove that's so handy for boiling water for hot drinks and cup noodles puts out enough heat to warm the inside of a tent rather nicely. I used my single burner propane stove as a heater on several nights. I never ran it for more than 15 to 20 minutes at a time, and due to the lack of a proper door, I had very good ventilation. Make sure you don't give yourself carbon monixide poisoning or you'll be sad.

      I would not personally use my gray water for anything on the playa. That's even more disgusting than chasing the water truck. But then, I borderline on obsessive compulsive when it comes to dirt. I wear a 3 liter camelback and carry another two liters of water in bottles, so I have plenty of water on hand for damping my clothes and washing my face and hands when needed. I'm sure others have easier ways of dealing with stuff, but that's what works for me.
    • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

      Sun, February 17, 2008 - 8:10 PM
      >Anyone know if it's ok to use your shower grey water (not food grey water) for hat and clothes wet downs?

      That's kinda gross.

      I'd say-- instead, dip a cup of water out of your ice chest (and there'll be water in there if you're using ice!). Then wet down hat/clothes with that water. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT dip your skanky-sweat hat/bandanna/cool-tie/clothes INTO THE ICE CHEST if you share that ice chest with anyone else. This will make you Unpopular.

      If it's just your ice chest, go for it if you want.
      • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

        Sun, February 17, 2008 - 9:57 PM
        apparently some of you take some really grody showers. ;)
        whenever I've washed on the playa the "grey water" is just water rinsed from your skin, so it's not greasy, particularly dirty or actually grey or something. I was thinking the only problem I could see with using your own grey to dip your pants or shirt in was that your skin might get irritated from any dust in the water. or that it might make the clothes more dusty once the water evaporates.
        • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

          Mon, February 18, 2008 - 5:42 PM
          I get dirty on the playa. When I shower, there's the obligatory dust, sweat, soap, and residues from whatever I may have come into contact with. When putting shit together, I've commonly gotten grease on myself. So my gray water is very gray.

          But if you've found a method for keeping all that pesky dirt offa yourself, I'm all ears. Like I said, I really hate getting dirty.
          • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

            Mon, February 18, 2008 - 6:48 PM
            Nick
            oh! I should've clarified that I tend to wet-wipe or spot sponge bath most of the time and only take a shower once during the week. so it's not like I've got days' worth of grime to shower off, I'm mostly showering just to feel better. Hence, the not a lot of goop in my grey water. :) If I were using showers as my primary cleaning I'd probably have grungy grey water.

            I've just been kicking around ways to reuse some of the water at BM, trying to find ways to evap it while serving another purpose or use it for something else rather than use fresh water for some non-food/drink purposes. I heard some crazy folks at or near heebies in 06 had a way to treat and reuse their grey water. blew my mind.
            • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

              Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:13 PM
              I do wet wipes and sponge baths also, but I still get in a real shower every day. Being dirty makes me very grumpy. I suppose if it came offa your body and it's not dirty enough to make you vomit, you could always use it for damping your clothes.

              With the whole global warming and shit, I figure if I do my part and use lots of water, maybe the whole world won't get flooded afterall.
              • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

                Wed, February 20, 2008 - 7:46 PM
                *L* at Nick. now we need new bumper stickers: "prevent global flooding: take a shower" ;)

                "not dirty enough to make you vomit"
                lol! I'm now wondering if I've ever been dirty enough to make myself vomit. I think I've smelled bad enough to ick myself out, but I don't think I've hit the dirty vomit mark. hee

                it is possible that my shower situation is the result of one of the following:
                (a) I'm like a cat and kinda self-cleaning
                (b) I tolerate the heat well so I'm not getting as overheated or therefore as sweaty as many
                (c) I'm just a dirty girl and too lazy to notice
                ...only friends are going to be able to answer that one. ;)


                I also like Sas's idea. that could be super cool. maybe I'd get like some super power too. like Spiderman or Xmen. ;)

                yeah, I've successfully tangented the thread now.
                • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

                  Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:51 AM
                  "not dirty enough to make you vomit"

                  Actual dialog.
                  Day 4
                  BM 2004:

                  Rob: Hey Alex... is that us I smell... or the garbage?

                  Alex: (after smelling his pits) Well.... if it smells like meat, I guess it's us... but if smells like fish... it's probably the garbage.

                  Rob: Hey Alex, let's tie up the garbage and let's get us some showers.

  • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

    Sat, February 23, 2008 - 2:14 PM
    Oooh! Back on topic. In 05 my tent mate brought a bus tub. She used it for everything from washing dishes to putting water in for sponge baths. I used it for a spongebath one day when it was too dusty out for a shower and it was really handy. Put it on a table and it's great for washing your hair.
    • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

      Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:00 PM
      Cross posted from 2008 virgins.


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      I realize this will only be my second year but I may have learned my lesson before I even got to the Playa last year. I watched many movies that were posted all over the place. Some very good advice was keeping your personal items and indeed anything you can in large plastic storage bins.

      I just watched a video today where a burner sat at the entrance to his tent and was depressed that all his stuff was just coated with dust after a windstorm.

      It's a bit of a pain in the ass but every time I left my tent I made sure all of my things were put away and my bins were properly closed. I stuffed my pillow, sheet and blanket in the middle of my sleeping bag zipped it up and folded the open end underneath.

      Those open mesh air vents are great but they allow dust into your tent. I wouldn't close them off, they are too valuable as ventilation.

      There is still dust inside your tent but at least its not an eighth of an inch thick AND on your pillow! (and sheet and everything else)

      Just my point of view.

      Happy Burning!!!
      • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

        Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:10 PM
        I said this last year I will repeat it again, as soon as you arrive on the playa , take everything you have and roll it in the dust, and just get that out of the way, so you wont be worried about everything getting dusty later.
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          Re: A few tips for tent comforts

          Tue, February 26, 2008 - 7:40 AM
          LOL Right on! This is the best suggestion yet!
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            Re: A few tips for tent comforts

            Tue, February 26, 2008 - 8:25 AM
            thats a great tip -- love it

            Burners i heart you all!

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            • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

              Tue, February 26, 2008 - 9:22 AM
              my long standing tradition, drop a piece of food like a dorito or peanut on the playa, rub it lightly on jeans or tutu to rub the playa in a little, and eat it.

              easier to eat it than find a garbage bag for the moop.....then -- i know i am home.
              • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

                Tue, February 26, 2008 - 10:26 AM
                I don't know... I seem to attract dust easily enough as is, don't need to go rolling myself and mah food innit. ;) I always like the Pigpen (Peanuts) effect that happens after a few days... when you smack someone's clothes and a cloud of dust surrounds them. hee.

                I mean, don't go being all OCD about it or anything. but having one place (tent) that's dust minimal is a nice break IMO. :) especially when your skin has been exposed to all day and feels irritated or stung or all dried out.
                • Re: A few tips for tent comforts

                  Tue, February 26, 2008 - 2:35 PM

                  Trying to hold back the dust on the playa is like trying to hold back the water from the sea.

                  Remember the mantra:

                  Become one with the dust.

                  That said, I always put my pillow and sleeping clothes inside my sleeping bag, then roll it all up. During the day it's super comfortable to sit on my inflatable and use my rolled up sleeping bag as a back rest.
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                    Re: A few tips for tent comforts

                    Tue, March 18, 2008 - 2:10 PM
                    Everything, everything, *!everything!* in zip locks or plastic containers. I'm not big on dust in my tent. I don't care what anyone says about becoming one with the dust. Don't believe the hype! hehe It is SOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOO much nicer sleeping in a clean tent where dust isn't entering every orifice of your body. I mean, dust is fun and all when you're rolling around on the playa with your partner but when I'm trying to sleep, the last thing I want is gritty nastiness in my sheets. Call me crazy, or anal, but my tent is the one place I try my absolute hardest to keep as dust free as possible. It's nice to have a relatively clean home out there, one that you can take refuge from in dust storms.

                    I made the mistake my first year bringing the shittiest tent on the face of the earth. It had a rain fly the size of a baby blanket and mesh for days. The rain fly parachuted up during every crazy windstorm and I swear to god that thing was going to take off and land 50 feet away. All I could do was lay on my dusty, nasty, slightly wet comforter as I watched dust whip around in my tent like a scene out of the sahara desert. I vowed to never make that mistake twice.

                    That being said, this is what I can't live without for that week
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                    *Windows zipped nearly all the time.
                    *Extra sheet for covering the mesh at top of tent. I connect the sheet to the tent with very large safety pins in multiple places around the outside walls of the tent. I haven't had the tent rip w/ this method even in large dust storms. The key is A LOT of safety pins. It probably could be zip tied as well. It keeps dust to a minimum without spending a million dollars on a 3 or 4-season tent.
                    *Bins for storage...everything in bins or zip locks, especially socks & underwear for the whole week. I also make sure to put a full set of clothes & shoes in zip locks and don't open the entire time on the playa. Makes for a *clean* and pleasant ride home from after showering and sleeping in Reno.
                    *tarp/sheet covering the bed when leaving camp
                    *Area rug! Ahhhh it's nice to step onto a rug in the tent. I got this advice from someone's "can't-live-without-it-at-Burning-Man" list on Tribe and I'm forever grateful to this woman. It creates the feeling of home and also helps keep the dust down tremendously. It also creates an extra layer between you and the ground which helps keep you warmer on your air mattress.
                    *flip-open reading light...even better than a camping lantern for the tent. It's small and easily can be turned on for late night porta-pottie jaunts without waking up your significant other.