Under Age Drinking
Dear Bars on the Playa,
Well, it is always something. Please take note. This year we have
been informed that local law enforcement would like to see us address
the issue of under age drinking. Though we, the organization, are
not offering alcohol to anyone and are not responsible for your bars,
there are possible consequences for you and us if we did not address
this issue. So, I am sending out this letter to make sure you are
fully informed.
We do not believe that there are any rampant problems with underage
drinking at our event that would merit investigation. Consequently,
we expect that law enforcement will act the same this year as they
have in the past. However, you should be aware of Nevada laws on
under age drinking. Here are some useful facts:
- It is a misdemeanor to serve alcoholic beverages to anyone under 21
years old in Nevada. The law still applies if the alcohol is gifted
as opposed to sold. Theme camps are considered public space and
subject to enforcement of this law. (NRS 202.055)
In 2001 the Nevada State Supreme Court limited the application of NRS
202.055 to only servers who had actual or constructive knowledge that
the person seeking the alcohol was under 21. This means that you
must card someone who looks underage. Conversely, if someone looks of
age you are not required to card him or her.
- It is a misdemeanor for a minor to consume or possess an alcoholic
beverage in a public space (e.g., theme camps, open playa, center
camp, etc. (NRS 202.020)
- It is a misdemeanor to a minor to pass him or herself off as being
of age. (NRS 202.040)
- Misdemeanors carry the following penalties: Up to 6 months in
county jail, and/or a fine up to $1,000. Alternatively, community
service may be sentenced in lieu of, or in conjunction with jail time
and fines. (NRS 176.087)
- If a minor loiters in a place where alcoholic beverages are
consumed (besides a food establishment) then the minor could receive
a fine up to $500. (NRS 202.030) Also, if the person in charge of
the "tavern" allows the minor to loiter then he or she could be fined
up to $500 also. (NRS 202.060)
- Enforcement of the laws is either done by carding the person
outright, or through undercover sting operations.
None of this is new and not terribly different from most other state
laws. It could be worse in other states! No need for alarm. This
letter is merely for information.
Our recommendations -
1. Use good common sense when serving alcohol.
2. Understand your prerogative to serve someone and carefully
consider your options with people who look less than 21.
3. Have an extra person from your camp present while serving alcohol
to act as a witnesses, just in case.
4. Don't get minors drunk. That just isn't cool.
It is worth noting that federal and local law enforcement priorities
differ on this issue. If you find yourself in an unfortunate
encounter please get a badge number and note what agency you are
dealing with. It might come in handy.
Thanks for your time,
Harley
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Harley K. DuBois
Black Rock City LLC
Community Services and Playa Safety
415 865-3800, ext 103
Dear Bars on the Playa,
Well, it is always something. Please take note. This year we have
been informed that local law enforcement would like to see us address
the issue of under age drinking. Though we, the organization, are
not offering alcohol to anyone and are not responsible for your bars,
there are possible consequences for you and us if we did not address
this issue. So, I am sending out this letter to make sure you are
fully informed.
We do not believe that there are any rampant problems with underage
drinking at our event that would merit investigation. Consequently,
we expect that law enforcement will act the same this year as they
have in the past. However, you should be aware of Nevada laws on
under age drinking. Here are some useful facts:
- It is a misdemeanor to serve alcoholic beverages to anyone under 21
years old in Nevada. The law still applies if the alcohol is gifted
as opposed to sold. Theme camps are considered public space and
subject to enforcement of this law. (NRS 202.055)
In 2001 the Nevada State Supreme Court limited the application of NRS
202.055 to only servers who had actual or constructive knowledge that
the person seeking the alcohol was under 21. This means that you
must card someone who looks underage. Conversely, if someone looks of
age you are not required to card him or her.
- It is a misdemeanor for a minor to consume or possess an alcoholic
beverage in a public space (e.g., theme camps, open playa, center
camp, etc. (NRS 202.020)
- It is a misdemeanor to a minor to pass him or herself off as being
of age. (NRS 202.040)
- Misdemeanors carry the following penalties: Up to 6 months in
county jail, and/or a fine up to $1,000. Alternatively, community
service may be sentenced in lieu of, or in conjunction with jail time
and fines. (NRS 176.087)
- If a minor loiters in a place where alcoholic beverages are
consumed (besides a food establishment) then the minor could receive
a fine up to $500. (NRS 202.030) Also, if the person in charge of
the "tavern" allows the minor to loiter then he or she could be fined
up to $500 also. (NRS 202.060)
- Enforcement of the laws is either done by carding the person
outright, or through undercover sting operations.
None of this is new and not terribly different from most other state
laws. It could be worse in other states! No need for alarm. This
letter is merely for information.
Our recommendations -
1. Use good common sense when serving alcohol.
2. Understand your prerogative to serve someone and carefully
consider your options with people who look less than 21.
3. Have an extra person from your camp present while serving alcohol
to act as a witnesses, just in case.
4. Don't get minors drunk. That just isn't cool.
It is worth noting that federal and local law enforcement priorities
differ on this issue. If you find yourself in an unfortunate
encounter please get a badge number and note what agency you are
dealing with. It might come in handy.
Thanks for your time,
Harley
--
Harley K. DuBois
Black Rock City LLC
Community Services and Playa Safety
415 865-3800, ext 103
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 9:10 AMbump -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:24 AMbump -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 2:39 PMAt Burning Man 2007 we wrote two questions on our bar, and asked them of all the new people that came in:
1) Are you 21 years of age or older?
2) Are you legal to drink in the state of Nevada.
If people got confused or whatever, we just pointed at the two questions, and stated we were "required to ask everyone before we could serve them"; without getting into the details of "why".
Of all the people I have asked their age of, only one person refused to answer. And mostly I think she was too out of it to understand the question. I have had a few people answer "do you have anything non-alcoholic?". I would get them water or juice and send them on their way.
Never had any major problems.
Martini Steve
Apokiliptika - Western Sector - Chemical Weapons Division
Art for the last day of the rest of your life -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Mon, March 3, 2008 - 6:14 PMI had to refuse a girl in my mobile bar cause she had no ID on her, she seemed to understand.
Probably a good idea if you look young and are planning on drinking to carry it with you! -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Wed, March 5, 2008 - 4:40 PMI've refused service as well with no repercussions or negativity.
However, I do recommend that if you're going to carry your ID or Driver's License on your person while at Burning Man you keep a photocopy of it in your vehicle or tent in case you lose the original. Check with PlayaInfo if you lose an ID. They are more than happy to reunite you with your default identity.
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:18 PMhmm.....do you think people would accept seeing the photocopy instead? i would rather not carry my ID around everywhere with me if i didn't have to, i just know i would lose it. but i know that i'm going to have to use it because even though I am 24, I still look 19.... -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 1:30 PMI would think most of the bars would accept a photocopy. I'd think most people underage wouldn't go to the trouble to fake a photocopy of their DL to take to BM. I'd feel a bit uncomfortable taking my ID with me as well...I'd definitely do it though if I needed to but the thought of losing it would sketch me out as well. -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 1:50 PMI would accept it as proof. I have my ID with me, in my car, not on my person, while I'm at Burning Man. I find I don't need to carry it at the event as I have a staff laminate, a radio and I'm 45. I never get carded anymore. :( -
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 3:10 PMi would make you sing a song as well
ahhh the good old days -- getting carded
v
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Re: Under Age Drinking----Dear Bars on the Playa,
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 3:20 PMwould be much easier it is to forge .....just sayin.
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