Can one of you electrically inclined burners give me a little help with a simple electrical system?
I have purchased two of these: www.plasmaled.com/high_power_module.htm
And want to power them with this: tinyurl.com/355fxa
Controlled by a switch: tinyurl.com/2ezp56
Can anyone tell me how to connect the 12v battery to the switch, and then to the lights (and what gauge wire - the lights come wired into 26, but would 24 or 22 do)? Since the lights only pull 1 watt, I figure it would be okay to power them off the same battery, and the switch load should amply cover the draw - or am I mistaken? Do I need some kind of "buffer" between the battery and the lights (although the LED page says they come pre-wired into a resistor)?
Thanks!
I have purchased two of these: www.plasmaled.com/high_power_module.htm
And want to power them with this: tinyurl.com/355fxa
Controlled by a switch: tinyurl.com/2ezp56
Can anyone tell me how to connect the 12v battery to the switch, and then to the lights (and what gauge wire - the lights come wired into 26, but would 24 or 22 do)? Since the lights only pull 1 watt, I figure it would be okay to power them off the same battery, and the switch load should amply cover the draw - or am I mistaken? Do I need some kind of "buffer" between the battery and the lights (although the LED page says they come pre-wired into a resistor)?
Thanks!
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Sun, August 5, 2007 - 10:48 AMThis should be fine. A one-watt module at 12 volts is 83 mA. We'll just round up and call it 100 mA (that's 1/10 of an amp) This is how much current the LED will draw.
The battery is rated at 12 Amp-Hours. In theory it will drive 1 amp for 12 hours, or in the case of one 1-W LED module, 100 mA for 120 hours. So you should have plenty of juice for one 1W module. At the other extreme, if you bought two 3-watt modules, you're looking at six times the current draw, which reduces battery life to 1/6 of that, or 20 hours off one charge.
For the wiring: note that lower number means fatter wire, so 24 and 22 gauge wire are *bigger* than 26 gauge wire, so you should be fine. I would not go smaller (bigger number) than 26 gauge wire.
As for how to hook it up. Let's start simple. If you were hooking up one LED module without a switch, you would connect the LED assembly's positive (+) wire to the battery's positive (+) terminal, and the LED assembly's negative (-) terminal to the battery's (-) terminal. So from the LED module you basically have one wire going to battery + and one wire going to battery -. That's it.
To add the switch, simply insert the switch to one of those wires. It doesn't matter which one, but most people would put the switch on the positive wire, unless they're into old English sports cars (that's an inside joke, a lame one at that, for people into old English sports cars).
So you have:
battery negative terminal -> LED negative terminal, and
LED positive terminal -> switch -> battery positive terminal.
For two LED modules, simply connect the two modules in parallel with each other (tie the two LED module positive terminals together, and then the two LED module negative terminals together).
Here's the only possible catch. You will note that there are two possible "directions" you can hook the switch up. (One terminal is going to be closer to battery +, but which one? you have two choices). For an ordinary switch it does not matter. But you have chosen a lighted switch, and it might matter, depending on whether the switch uses a light bulb or an LED for a light source. The good news is that nothing bad will happen if you hook it up the wrong way (this is true of the big LED too, by the way). The switch will still function, but if it has an LED, the LED will only light up if the switch is connected the "right" way. Personally, I would opt for a non-lighted switch if I could.
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Mon, August 6, 2007 - 6:19 PMI noticed that the battery you're getting is not deep-cycle. I don't know much about it, but our camp has always used deep cycle batteries because (I believe) you can run them down pretty far and still recharge them. Regular batteries you can only run down like 20% before you have to recharge them or they can't be recharged, I think. Maybe someone here has a better idea about the benefits of deep-cycle batteries.
I could be completely wrong. Feel free to give me a good hard smack on the ass and tell me to move along if so :) -
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Mon, August 6, 2007 - 10:05 PMA normal 12 volt battery will be degraded if it is discharged below 12 volts. A "deep cycle" will alse be degraded, but not as much. When discharged below 12 volts, the plates inside the cells will form deposits that reduce the AH of the cells and will eventually short them out. Deep Cycle cells have greater plate spacing to avoid early failure. Gell cells do not like deep cycles and can be worn out pretty fast if unmanaged. They are also damaged by overcharging. Batterys can last for years, but only if discharge is stopped at 12 volts and charging is stopped at 14.2
(13.8 for float service) The exact voltages vary by manufacture and cell chemistry. These voltages are often printed on newer batteries. -
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Sat, August 11, 2007 - 8:29 PMYou people rule. Thanks for all the input!
I'm only running two watts worth of LEDs, so I don't anticipate discharging the battery much, even if I left them on all night. I'll have it on a solar charger during the day to recover as much as possible, so hopefully the percentage of discharge will be pretty low.
But the battery I got is an AGM SLA, and I've discovered you can't just use an automotive 12v charger for them. Grrrr. It looks like I would need to buy one of these chargers:
www.ragebattery.com/power-so...1707.html
www.batteryspace.com/index.asp
They run off AC, and I'm wondering if an inverter is necessary. Methinks yes. What do you say, o electical geeks?
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Sat, August 11, 2007 - 9:06 PMI suggest you go by your friendly Radio Shack with your battery and have them hook you up with a cigerette lighter power plug, some spade connectors to attach to the AGM battery and charge as you drive to the playa off your cars alternator. Many car battery chargers have a 2 amp setting which is the same as the trickle chargers your linking.
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 4:51 PMAn AGM battery is sensitive to overcharging, so older car battery chargers will damage it over time. A lot of the newer ones know about AGM and are voltage regulated so they will be safe. You do not want the charger to go much over 14 volts. the exact value will be printed on the battery. If you have a solar panel, you will need a charge regulator, but this is just for solar systems and may not be a radio shack thing. A 2 amp unit should be about $20.
cgi.ebay.com/Solar-Panel...cmdZViewItem
or build one:
ludens.cl/Electron/solarreg/Solarr~1.htm
(it will be cheaper to buy one, but the information is interesting)
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Re: 12v battery + LEDs - electrical setup help?
Tue, August 7, 2007 - 7:54 PMLot's of links to 12 volt info over on the SOLAR DEATH RAY 3000 profile:
people.tribe.net/5969572e-...be3d08f572