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If you are interested in donating time and skills to the web and print graphics required to promote this event please join this thread!
I am pretty good with web construction, but would love to have as many artists as possible working to create a fluid seamless design for this event. I would also love to get suggestions for site layout and general requirements! All artists are welcome, including non-digital!
Many thanks,
Christina
If you are interested in donating time and skills to the web and print graphics required to promote this event please join this thread!
I am pretty good with web construction, but would love to have as many artists as possible working to create a fluid seamless design for this event. I would also love to get suggestions for site layout and general requirements! All artists are welcome, including non-digital!
Many thanks,
Christina
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 2:22 AMYes indeedy. All major Adobe wares are at my command. I'm best with Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, InDesign.
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 8:48 AMI'm on for any graphics that need doing, but I don't want to *hog* the graphics thing, someone else might like to do ticket or flyer or web designs.
I'd love to have a little of something from anyone out there who likes to do that kind of work.
I'd like to say to you web/production folks, y'know y'all have the most not-understood-the-importance-of job in the world of art. Not just visual production folks either, I'm also talking about all the sound technicians and editors and all the other production folks, everyone focuses on what they perceive to be "the art", and they don't know about the tons of time and effort that goes into getting "the art" out there in a beautiful, clean form for people to enjoy.
They also don't know that there's art in that in and of itself, but I've dealt with graphics and music world enough to know!
So hats (if I wore a hat) off to y'all that will do the hardest part of the work with the leastest attention and praise!
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 9:04 AMmebbe animation? -
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 11:05 AMAnimation would be great! What I am thinking is that we could figure out how many people want to help and what they enjoy the most and basically take submissions for specific projects, ie tickets, flyers, web site design and then a few of us could work as a team to get the project done and still have artistic continuity...
any thoughts?
by the way, I can do anything from Flash to over site of print production, but I much prefer the idea of team work in all aspects. I think designs come out way better with more eyes on them before they go into production.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 5:16 AMI am a programmer and can do back-end scripting stuff if we need it. I can also administer a web server, but we probably won't need to. -
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Sat, April 5, 2008 - 10:54 AMwonderful...
It seems that currently it is being divided with illustration and animation one team, then back in a page generation as another. When we have more I will totally forward you what comes in and get your opinions. If you have time please help to think about site layout, and number of pages. And then after the group agrees we can take it to Merritt and see how best to proceeed.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 4:14 PMI used to have a virtual server that I could do whatever I wanted with, but I didn't use it enough to keep it around. If we get webspace for this, it'll probably be on a server with everything already setup. They're like $20/mo. or less and can do anything we need it to do, so it's not really a cost prohibitive thing. Domain registration will cost a little extra. I can also help set up the domain...I know the DNS system pretty well.
It's been a long time since I've been in the web world, so I'm not all up to date on web specific technology. I do know Java, C, C++, Perl, and Tcl/tk pretty well, but haven't worked with Javascript, PHP, Flash, Coldfusion, or anything like that. I'm not a web developer. I do know a bit of HTML (or XHTML) and CSS, but not an expert in that arena either.
If the server is Linux or Unix based, that's my world. I'm a programmer, and I work on Linux all day. If we need to setup a wiki, bulletin board, or something like that, I can get one installed. If I have enough free time, I can also create a basic one from scratch. It just depends on what we need, what's available, and how much time I can spare. -
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 4:32 PMI am a web coder, I do PHP and html really well, so it sounds like I will be doing page generation for this, but I am really interested in having a photo gallery and a bullitin board. I think it would be awesome if we created an area for people to share their experinces at the event and to be able to keep in contact with each other and the promotionial side of the event. That way next year it would be even easier to promote and we could concievably organize other parties off of this one...
those are my personal thoughts, so please do not assume that anyone outside of myself has posed or agreed with these ideas, but you are back end like me so I figure we should think about architecture and stuff now.. The people interested in doing the animation know and work with each other and I am sure it wont be any deal at all to plunk in the files when they are ready...
but we really don't have a theme yet, and have been kicking around the idea of staying Suessian, not to the level of copy right issues, but similar is style and design...
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 4:34 PMhosting:
godaddy.com
Linux $3 per month
Domian $2 for the year...
that is the best I have found that has relable up time and easy FTP.
please ignore all the horrible spelling, typing way to fast on way too much caffine...
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 3:00 PMI've started on some bits and pieces.
Anybody with something they want to see animated, PM me here or mail me at
lokifreign@gmail.com
Anyone with AI / PSD skills could send me layered files for animation... the more you've done on your end the more I can do on this end. That said, I can convert any kind of workable image file into an animated sequence. Right now I'm focusing entirely on web delivery, but hi-def is still a cool and significant option.... -
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 7:35 AMWow, cool work y'all are doing!
Things are jelling up on the sites and all, I've been having a family member in crisis this week so I haven't been as free to comment as I'd like, but I wanted to give y'all the heads up that things will probably heat up here over the weekend, trying to make final decisions so as to have the information that we need to get a basic page up and make tickets available.
I have space available on a site, it would be an internal space and not a www.....etc address, but it would be free, and pretty much everyone's going to follow a link from somewhere, if y'all want to use that.
We'd love to have something to sell tickets from in place at least by the weekend of April 20th, so as to give us a full six weeks to meet our 250 minimum. We could upgrade or fancify the web presence more as we go, so the page to sell tickets doesn't have to be the final coolness.
I am about the idea of animation and I know how to do that stuff OFF the computer, I could send scanned images of simple sequences if nobody better at the computer stuff wants to do that. I dig me some little moving things! :)
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:43 AMneat about the drawn animation scanned to digital...
very cool!
I am really pro brown paper tickets, they even allow phone orders and I think that is really neat...
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:59 AMThat's what I'm looking into...I have personal Paypal stuff set up, but for this I'd really like to NOT use any private individual's bank account, not only for the trust/accountability factor but also because that individual then might have some explaining to do come tax time.
But setting up a corporation, even nonprofit, costs money (about $250 the last I checked)..and takes some time and going to the Secretary of State's office and filling out a lot of forms.
There just HAS to be some way to deal with this as a private fundraising effort, I'm looking and I'm sure it's out there but I just haven't found the answers yet.
Any of you answer finding wizards are welcome to look too!
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 1:12 PMDBA Doing Business As...
What do you think of opening up a DBA account that is seperate from your personal and will allow accountability, if we do DBA we can file Non-Profit later if we want or just stay DBA and Inc or LLC later.
I think that is the easiest quickest way to avoid major issues.
Non-profit is a bitch load of paper work, I looked into it for Yard Art Party and after realizing the need for a board and having to have incorporated first I personally abandon the idea, if others have had a better time with it please POST! Seriously it would be great to be non-profit and reoccurring, but that is a lot to deal with in such a short time.
Also you could allow certain people access to the account if needed, but personally I like the idea of one person holding the purse strings, just makes it easier to know when and where money is going.
as far as tax time goes, good question, if we aren't non-profit then taxes will have to be filled. If that is the case then the best we can hope to do is break even so that there is no liability. But may-be that should be taken into account from the beginning and a certain amount set aside to cover that as another expense.
Also Sale's Tax?
What about this...
I wonder how that is dealt with through online ticket sales groups. If they sell the ticket, then wouldn't they be responsible for collecting tax if needed? This is part of why I like the idea of using a service with a fee, then they actually sold the ticket and we are putting on the event. -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 1:41 AMOn the sale through Brown Paper Tickets...
not all hot on them any more, they charge around $15 to process a ticket and that is a lot if the ticket itself is only $22, so now I am back loving Pay Pal and wondering about just tacking on sales tax, but then would we need some sort of tax id via the state in order to be able to give them their share.
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 3:59 AMNo; you're right; it's key. Hard / tedious stuff always seems to end up being tragically important...
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 6:08 AMIn Georgia you don't have to get a sales tax account if it is a one time sale.
You still do have to file a form ST3 ( www.etax.dor.ga.gov/salestax...indx.aspx )
There is a box at the top for 'one time sale'. This will let you calculate and remit the tax without creating a georgia
sales tax account.
The taxes are by county and most are at 7% now, this includes the state, education, special local option and county part.
If you open a sales tax account in georgia you will have to file every month whether you have any sales or not or get slapped with a fine/penalty. This is the most burdonsome part of having a sales tax ID and the part I hate most.
Another thing to consider is where your business nexus resides, you may be liable for sales tax on the point of delivery if tickets are mailed. If they are all will call then sales tax is due at the place where the buyer takes possession (gate).
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 7:30 AMwow thanks for the education, and may-be we could not, mail a ticket, I am not sure how keeping up with lists at the gate of an event goes, but it doesn't sound like it could be that hard with a once your in your in policy, however, that car thing...
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 7:40 AMYeah I agree that creating a nonprofit corporation is too much for the moment, and thanks Unga Bunga for the tax information, we can wind up paying taxes if we have to, but...
I just really think there's some sort of legal definition of a limited event or fundraiser, like say if we were raising money for hurricane victims, or our friend that needed a kidney, or doing what we're doing, which is a limited scenario to benefit arts and community (cultural fundraising). Problem with looking this kind of crap up is that if you don't know exactly what you're asking for, the legal term, it can be hard. So far no luck in my searching, but I'm not giving up yet, I might even (sigh) have to get on the phone to the Secretary of State's office today and see what they think.
I like email tickets a LOT. It's so much more responsive and the cost of mailing tickets is nearly a dollar, plus all that envelope stuffing and addressing, where email's free and makes it easy to fix problems like "I didn't get my ticket!!!"...
Wooo to hell with paying $15 per ticket to BPT folks, that's highway robbery!
XXXOOO,
Me
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 10:17 AMI won't be able to get any answers from my CPA friend till after tax season, I think I'll build a faq over time for this kind of event. -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 4:11 PMLOL I have the same problem, good CPA advice, except for at this time of year!!
It's good having a CPA in the family...:)
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Me
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 2:08 PMWill call only tickets can be kind of a pain, but they are not unmanageable. Mailed physical tickets are more work and cost up front, but less at the gate.
The usual issue with will-call only tickets (or emailed codes), is that people sell or give them to friends and the last minute, but don't give them the actual number in time or get the ticket reassigned. So you get a person showing up at the gate who knows they bought a ticket from someone named Captain Flammable or BangBang or some other playa name, they don't know their real name or the ticket code, oops.
It isn't that big of a deal. For a smaller, just starting event that is looking to save cash, I'd go with emailed tickets.
Everyone is probably also going to be very before the event too and it could very well be easier to deal with problems at the event instead of before the event, such as stuffing envelopes, dealing with the few people whose tickets were lost by the post, etc.
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 4:17 PMWhat we found at other events where we used e-tickets was two good tricks...
Put your directions to the event right at the top, along with the code. That way folks will tend to have the directions if nothing else. And yeah, yell yell yell that the e-ticket IS your invite, and that you'll be turned away if you don't have it.
Then have a record at the gate yourself, that at least records the email it was sent to, along with the code. Would be great if we had internet access at the gate so we could let people log in and verify...
I *think* what we're doing is legally called an unincorporated association, or else a service club. Not clear on it yet, though.
XXXOOO,
Me
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 5:26 PMAt Alchemy, Troy was able to get web on his phone and recieve updates from the paypal or a signup script so he could get last minute signups I think.
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 10:38 AMI am thinking that we could set up an easy database structure to record the info from purchases and then have a printed copy at the gate with pass codes being something that we actually assign as a unique id. and what about sales at the gate.
how would that work?
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 2:59 PMGate sales can lead to a nightmare of surprises.
Usually, if allowed, most anyone will think they'd rather pay at the gate than invest up front.
I've seen deals where we expected about a couple hundred and more than eight hundred showed up at the gate.
Plus then you've got the money to deal with at the gate, where it can oh so easily disappear as money likes to do, and also where it's not doing any good for the festival at that point.
Still, I like making some kind of special reservations for for people who really can't manage to pay until they get there, but not encouraging it in any way. Some people actually don't have bank accounts, is all.
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 6:43 PMYou know we could offer a special link specifically for people with out bank accounts and ask them still to get a gate ID, that way, no gate id no sale, and we can still say no sales at the gate, and there is accountability as far a cash that should be collected and delivered to the main person, I am thinking that we should set up some sort of 1 hour watch person, but I have never done one of these and am totally open to ideas.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 4:57 PMNo sales at the gate: Agreed.
Allowing people to pay cash at the gate for tickets they already ordered: Great idea. How can we discourage people from doing that unless they have no other choice? The only way I can think of is to charge more for the service, which I hate to do, but I don't see a better option. We'll have to have someone trustworthy with a locked cash box, but those details can be worked out later.
Should we use a passcode system? Codes can be easily distributed, and if they are generated in a good way, we shouldn't have a problem with someone guessing codes and using them. I can write a program to generate codes pretty easily, but in a hard-to-guess and verifiable way.
I don't think we're going to have time to create a web-system with user profiles for distributing this stuff. I could be surprised, there are some talented freakin' burners. We will need to work out these details soon. A web team should be assembled very soon to start tackling these problems.
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Re: call to artists and web designers
Sun, April 13, 2008 - 5:21 PMHere's a cost breakdown for a website using dreamhost as an example:
1 Year = 119.40 (I'll take care of this)
This gives us 500 GB storage and 5 TB monthly bandwidth. This will be plenty. We'll also have MySQL (as many DBs as we need), unlimited e-mail addresses, PHP 4/5, CGI, Ruby on rails, SSI, as well as some other features. Microsoft .NET and FrontPage extensions do not seem to be supported (which is fine with me). Things that run on the client side, like Javascript, Java applets, and flash, are supported because from the server, it's just a file transfer and the browser does the rest. I vote that we don't do anything too fancy...I don't think a fully-flash site serves the purpose very well.
If we have any personal information being exchanged on the web, even if it's just e-mail addresses, we should do it through HTTPS. That requires us to have a unique IP address (3.95/mo) and an SSL certificate (99.95/yr). This encrypts data and allows the browser to verify it's talking to the webserver that the SSL certificate is issued to, which prevents someone else from pretending to be us and phishing for personal data.
If we can get a web team started, I'll get the site up and ready for them. What do you all think?
Footnote: Any work done on this site belongs to this burn. If you are not ready to gift your efforts to the website, don't upload anything. I vote that we comment everything saying that it belongs to the burn (whatever we name it). If that burn ever completely dissolves, then we reserve the right to place a GPL (www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html) on the content (or at least any useful scripts) and distribute it freely (NOT including personal data, which would have to be destroyed in this case).
Footnote #2: Should this whole effort fall on it's face, I reserve the right to keep the webspace (not necessarily the domain) if I paid for it. As long as there is a burn, the website belongs to it and I will see to that. I just don't want to see a year's worth of webspace go to waste, that's all.
