Do you go to the burn? Do you camp, or do you just pass out at the nearest burn barrel? Are you part of a Theme Camp or Village?
Do you have a way to shower? How do you go to the bathroom? A rented toilet, an RV, anyplace at all?
How do you cook (if you do)? The heck with "radical self-sufficiency" — are you dependent on others where food is concerned? Do you live on things you can carry in your pockets?
Who cares about eating or showers! Are you just there to set fire to stuff?
Inquiring minds just have to know (and will call it art).
Do you have a way to shower? How do you go to the bathroom? A rented toilet, an RV, anyplace at all?
How do you cook (if you do)? The heck with "radical self-sufficiency" — are you dependent on others where food is concerned? Do you live on things you can carry in your pockets?
Who cares about eating or showers! Are you just there to set fire to stuff?
Inquiring minds just have to know (and will call it art).
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Re: Burning Man camping
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 1:58 PMmy friend tuk devised an ingenoius plan when it comes to eating on the playa - bacon. tons of it. it does put him at others' mercy, but he always comes out on top. in 2005 he brought upwards of 80lbs, with nothing else to eat. he traded for veggies, drugs, rides, sex, massage, and pretty much anything else one could want out there. we can't all be that guy, but if you need bacon at the burn, i have a feeling i can hook it up all friggin' week. oh ya - fuck showers. -
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 5:17 AMLast yr we had a pretty sweet kitchen...alas...this yr thats not happening, so i think Im sending a message to camp mates on radical self reliance. So I am going to pre-prep almost all my food's and seal a meal them, then freeze. We went overboard on how much food we brought. I beleive the only thing meat wise that shall be pre-pared playa side will be the Wedding dinner, I believe Titwi was thinkin' Ribs. but again, I think I will par boil in vinigar and brwn sugar then freeze, so very little time on BBQ. I do beleive SED kitchen natzi will be in charge of this undertaking...and Monday 06 nights surprise dinner w/ scotch went extremely well !!! eh? Dok? -
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 1:52 AMHiya Shelly!
What's the haps? I figured from the sounds of things at the end of the '06 burn, that Village Apokiliptika would be staffing a common cafeteria. What's up? I only hear from Apokiliptican ex-pats since Rex and his "staff" all emigrated from Tribe shortly after the burn.
Bad Dog still signs on (he's a member of the Campfire Cafe, but I haven't seen him inna while), and I have noticed Jelly's avatar a couple of times — but that's it. I will see RevRot this weekend for more gossip.
Parboiling in advance is certainly the way to go if you're grilling ribs!!
Yeppers, Monday's dinner was fun. SED done good.
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 9:48 AMTook my motorhome last year but didn't use the kitchen to much as we had a killer camp kitchen with 2 large propane stoves and a propane grill. Mostly I subsisted on sandwiches, Quesadillas, fruit and snacks. Also had some really nice steaks and some of those indian Boil in a bag thingees from Trader Joes. Also did a big pot of my Chili (Recipe in the intro thread) and on Sunday after the burn I treated my 80 person camp plus many passers-by to breakfast burritos. I was frying 32 eggs at a time on the griddle and it was a howling success.
Good tips for the playa:
Pack all your food and then remove 1/3 of it and put it back.
Same with everything else you think you need...
Dr. Bronners liquid soap, a washcloth, and a bucket can do wonders.
Bring lot's of lotion as it is incredibly hard on your dermal layer.
for a nice shower what I did was take an old H20 type fire extinguisher and put a kitchen faucet sprayer on the end of the hose. Fill it with warm water(or leave in sun all day), pressurize to 120PSI with a 12volt air compressor and Voila! Hot pressurized shower!
Also, bike seats can be painfull so bring some extra padding to change the sore spots... If you are really interested in tips, go to the burning virgins tribe..
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 11:40 AMHi BD!
*grin* I understand completely about preferring to cook outside vs. in the RV. I find that meals for more than 6-8 folks have reached the limit of burner and oven capacity, space to work, etc. where preparing and serving complete meals are concerned.
Besides, well, it's outside.
The old water fire extinguishers work well for as long as we'll be able to get parts/repairs.
I have learned to keep a spare 12-volt compressor available for when they seize or fail to attain much pressure at the end-of-life for their ring-free compressors.
For when you absolutely, positively must blow things up.
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 5:17 PMYes... a burner I am. I camp independently, shower with a sun shower, deficate in the porta-potties, and cook camp-type meals all week (and some fancy meals too). I like to get free meals from very gracious neighbors when possible, thank you spancake camp.
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 12:09 PM'Sup Trix?
Sounds comfy. Ya gotta love those friendly neighbors, too (I know I would).
What? It takes more than a Bic lighter (and a pot to poi in) to make an artist? "Hell Night" in Chicago doesn't do it for you?
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Thu, February 1, 2007 - 9:53 AMGreen Man is the new theme and was likely chosen, in part, because the masses have been moving towards.... well... a less environmentally friendly occupation of the black rock desert. I've only attended twice but noticed more and more fire-type gadgets/art than my first year.
I'm that guy who pokes at the camp fire pointlessly and endlessly but this fire comes with noxious fumes.. not the wonderful smell of burning wood.
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 6:49 PMI have many different camping experiences at Burning Man. I flew in my first year, worked with the Temple crew, had sushi, showers and a little pass to the cafe. Saturday of the event that year, I had just told my friend, Danny, "Oh, man, I could use some ice cream and a swimming pool right now!", when what did I hear? Splashing and laughing, and there it was- a heavily-chlorinated do-boy swimming pool, and some dude passing out ice cream cones. The next year was much the same for me, and by 2003, I was feeling a ittle bit spoiled and looking for something different. I didn't want to be catered to my every whim, and set out that year with just four other folks (two of them virgins). There was more of a sense of ownership in that scenario, even though the year before I had arrived ten days before the event to work on the Temple and set up camp. It was just more personal. We had our share of challenges, and one member of the group wasn't feeling the radical self-reliance, but it was really a blast, and refreshing to not feel the pressure to be part of a large group all of the time.
Keeping that in mind, the next year I caught a ride off of the rid-share list, and camped by myself. I do think that we bring out much too much of much too much, and would go so far as to recommend that you pack and then remove TWO thirds of everything. You will still have enough to pass on at Exodus!
So, I had a two-man back-packing tent, a cot, and a cooler that year. People were stunned. Strangers would stop and tell me that my camp was so Zen. As for food, I think I had dreid figs, almonds, wasabi peas, and aloe vera juice (which I bring always, always, as it helps to keep your insides from drying out the way your outsides do in the desert). And it was still too much food. No shower that year, just some wipes, water, and Dr. Bronners. That year completely rocked, and I made some amazing connections, mostly I think because I wasn't locked into a group. The sense of freedom was incredible, and there was absolutely no drama within the camp. I mean, I really get along, er, with myself.
Now I have joined the rag-tag gang of scally-wags and scoundrels that is DPW. I camp elsewhere, eat at Commissary before and after the event, stop off at the ghetto when I want to meet up with somebody, and work like a dog. It is great. -
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 7:11 PMHi Helena!
Ice cream and a swimming pool — the very pinnacle of radical self-indulgence at Big Rock City.
Spoiled, indeed! *grin*
It is, indeed, great!
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 3:51 PMWe camp in Hushville. We began with three, and now we have a core group of four with some additions, and a Wyoming annex. Given everyone's varied schedules, we've never done well with group meals. Some years I bake teriyaki chicken and freeze it, and there's always couscous and canned chicken and tuna packets, turkey jerky, granola bars and cheese crackers. Breakfast tends to be the big meal given we have wonderful folks in Hushville who do a vegan pancake spread. I pick and freeze raspberries to share each morning! And sometimes vegetarian sausages too. We have a butane stove, although a propane grill has crossed our minds. Our annex brings wonderful frozen meals, and we get to share those now and then. They also make better coffee!
Our other problem is that mylarry and I are allergic to tomatoes and potatoes (nightshades), and I'm not supposed to eat soy, and sodium benzoate makes me sick as a dog. So the camp rule is everyone for themselves, and we share when we can. The rangers get to eat in the commissary now and then, so they don't miss elaborate meals. We always have too much food, but it gets used up other times. Our newbs this year worry they aren't contributing, but I'm doing my best to get them to relax and look after themselves.
All that, and I hate washing dishes on the playa. Newbies don't always get how to do that, disposable may not be the greenest thing, but mylarry ended up in the med tent on Burn Night due to bad dishwashing by newbs.
I hate smelly coolers, so no one gets to put anything in my personal coolers anymore. You want cold food? Bring a cooler, buy ice. The community cooler is for beverages to share ONLY! I've yet to see a newbie bring fresh produce or deli meat and actually eat it before it stank the cooler up. Even hard boiled eggs test my limits.
Shower? A garden sprayer, some wipes, maybe some Bonner and a lack of modesty. I tie my hair up all week and wash it in Reno. Potties? A lugaloo for emergencies at night, but Hushville has always been fairly close to the portos.
We tent under carports with shade stretched between. The common area has a carpet, chairs, a cot, the community cooler, and a coffee table. And art. -
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Wed, January 31, 2007 - 9:38 PMcamped with new amsterdam last year my fav meal i cook every burn is on sun afternoon i make a mean chilli all canned bits starting with a huge can of tomatoes and ending with 1/3 of jack daniels and a handful of m.mushrooms puts everyone into an awesome mood for an evening more mellow than the rest of the week.. -
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Thu, February 1, 2007 - 6:55 PMWe always have a well stocked kitchen with a gas grill at BMan, although we usually don't start to seriously eat real meals until 3 or 4 days after arrival.
Some of the meals of past years have been breakfast scrambles rolled burrito style, grilled salmon marinated in an asian style sauce, garlic chicken burgers, babyback ribs, and my personal favorite that I came up with on a whim-playa pizza. -
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Mon, February 5, 2007 - 9:14 AMHiya BB!
You're doing it okay! The only advantage to serving meals earlier in the week is the relative ease of incorporating fresh ingredients, but can-centered chilis are also wonderful on Sunday or Monday.
Again. ya gotta love it all (if it doesn't make anyone sick)!
Seeya there,
Johnny
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Mon, February 5, 2007 - 9:05 AMHiya AM!
Boy, I can sure understand the challenges to msking a camp kitchen work ay Burning Man.
Just pulling together the breakfast meals is a big accomplishment (and your camp's vegan pancake sounds wonderful). You have seized on a key skill to recognize among your mates — your Wyoming annex ability to make and serve my own breakfast beverage of choice — coffee. Your contribution of raspberries to those breakfasts is inspired.
Throwing in the spectre of allergies and occasionally poor/nonexistent attention to public health concerns by dishwashing newbies helps highlight the import of much-smaller centres of camp cooking — and the benefit of doing the nuts-and-berries (and Snickers bars, *grin*) approach to lots of other meals.
Eww. Doing dishes. Cooler management. I can relate.
Showers. Mmm.
The community area (and the art). Mmm.
Johnny
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Tue, February 6, 2007 - 3:03 PMWell, if you're on playa, you'll have to drop by. Indeed, we're easy to find on the edge if Hushville, Anti M's Home for Wayward Art has been listed in the wherewhatwhen the last two years and will return. Come adopt some art!
Food allergies are worst when some random wonderful food happens your way, and you can't have it. Bwuh!
And if you bring ice ream or cream puffs on dry ice, the cream part will absorb the gasses and you have frozen carbonated treats. Weird! -
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Tue, February 6, 2007 - 8:25 PMhi atomic!
I used to cook all out on the playa...I'd dry ice everything that needed to keep in a sealed cooler....could pull sushi off on friday and still have frozen fish....I cook cakes and breads in my dutch oven with charcoal...but in the last two years doing DPW I dont thnk I've made more than a pot of coffee in 8 weeks on playa last year or the one before that.....it helps playing poker with the kitchen staff... -
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Wed, February 7, 2007 - 2:04 PMWassup, Fuego!!
It sounds like you've found a good spot with DPW and your poker buddies among the kitchen staff!
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Wed, February 7, 2007 - 2:20 PMwell I start on 'land survey' and map all the streets out. cool job as you spend two weeks on playa before anyone else is out there...just bagging it on the ground and haveing our meals delivered from town...then our crew switches to 'spires' we put in about 300 last year....but every year it seems to grow...then I work exodus and clean up...about 8 weeks on the desert total...
they feed us pretty well amoung other things...
but it has made me very lazy for the event...by the time it starts we have been out in the desert for awaile...everything you brought is exausted before the event starts...to the point of begging you friends to just bring socks! for the crew. -
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Wed, February 7, 2007 - 2:53 PMAmazing!
For many of us, the mechanations of DPW are mostly transparent. But appreciated, for sure!
I promise to bring some new "crew socks" for you this year.
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Thu, February 8, 2007 - 8:52 PMThis year we hope to create a new theme camp known as La Hacienda, it is a New Mexico camp. As far as cooking goes, we only really ate breakfast. Eggs, potatoes, green chili, and some bacon, you are set all day. Then of course we assign different people to cook dinner/supper, every night. Some people show up, some don't. This works really well, especially when there are a lot of people involved. Showers are overrated yet it is nice to get wet during the day!!! A little propane burner stove works just great, no charcoal to clean up and no ashes or soot blowing around either. Can hardly wait for the burn this year, nothing like Bloody Marys and green chili on the playa!! See ya!!
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Fri, February 9, 2007 - 3:57 PMHi! I was part of a theme camp last year (my first burn); several of the wonderful people there took turns cooking all kinds of things I didn't expect to eat out in the desert, but next year I'll probably stick to a couple dozen packets of Indian food. www.satnamoverseas.com/kohino...eat.htm They are so awesome; enough for a meal, but you don't need to heat them, or even use a bowl...just tear one open and grab a spoon. Even better, unlike canned food the packets fold down flat when they'r empty and barely take up any space in the garbage. If you've got to cook, another Indian food, ghee, is also great. It's like butter, but provided you don't cross-contaminate it with a dirty spoon, it doesn't need to be refrigerated. Black beans with soba in sesame oil and garlic salt also seemed pretty popular...the soba soaks up water pretty well, so if you use just enough you won't need to drain the noodles.
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Sat, February 10, 2007 - 12:48 PMCome on over to the Alternative Energy Zone (AEZ) and cook your wiener on the Solar Death Ray 3000.
From sun up to sun down. You bring it. You cook it. You eat it !!!
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Sat, February 10, 2007 - 7:14 PMOff topic relating to Burning Man as I haven't done this, but a friend used an insecticide sprayer for his showers. Brand new one, of course, although after doing ren faires and being around the beer booths, maybe some bug-off in the water wouldn't have been a bad idea. -
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Mon, February 12, 2007 - 6:16 AMsprayers work really well for kitchens as well....it 's low volume and pressurized...evaporation ponds work well but they should be about 10 sq ft. per two people.....yes that is big for a group of 20 people...I've seen alot of encouraged water evap. devises....some claim to be able to git rid of 20 gallons a day...but they take a bit of tending to keep them properly functioning...
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Mon, February 12, 2007 - 8:03 AMNo bugs at B-Man except for the odd hitchhiking mantis or bee. A sprayer also makes an excellent bidet. Takes a friend to help, but that's half the fun! -
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Mon, February 12, 2007 - 9:15 AMPlease, please remember to bring fire extinguishers along with your camp!
We had a grease fire emergency at our camp last year from all the bacon.
Only quick action kept it from being a BIG emergency,especially with those winds.
Scary.
We were able to smother it and get it out quickly, but I'm putting a fire extinguisher at the top of my list this year. -
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Re: Burning Man camping
Mon, February 12, 2007 - 10:07 AMC'mon, c'mon!
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Mon, February 12, 2007 - 10:12 AMActually, I don't want to make light of Annie.s excellent reminder.
Fire extinguishers are must-haves.
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Re: Burning Man camping
Sun, February 11, 2007 - 12:01 PMI have been a part of a theme camp both burns. Both times we have built a shower; the first year I camped with 11 peeps - we used sun showers and ended up with *way* more water than we could evaporate (wow, do those things leak!), this past year I camped with 75 or so - we used the bug sprayers and had JOTs deal with our waste water. Our shower goddess designed and built an amazing platform which both provided entertainment for those not showering, and funneled the water into a container.
Food wise, we cook ahead and seal-a-meal then freeze. Everything stayed frozen as we pack a couple day's food into a 7-day cooler, and open only to add ice until *the* day. One pot of water lasted the entire week, just reboil each evening. We were spoiled this year, and had refrigerators. Yay polar pops!
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Mon, February 12, 2007 - 9:58 AMI shower, cook, eat, camp, chill and make luv in those blue VIP rooms they have lined up down the spokes -
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Mon, February 12, 2007 - 10:09 AMAh, the blue VIP RVs, eh? *grin*
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