I went to Fuente Eterno and didn't end up eating everything. The cooler probably got warm (50 degrees) on Friday and stayed that way until I unloaded Monday evening. There are some things I'm having trouble bringing myself to throw away.
I checked the FDA website, and it looks like I can keep the cheese. I have a factory-sealed cheddar block and an opened swiss. I imagine the swiss might grow some mold, but no significant bacteria.
Here's the stuff it looks like I should throw away: Opened hard salami (not sliced), unopened sliced pastrami, and the saddest of all, unopened sliced Hormel bacon.
Is this a case of guidelines having too wide of a safety margin? Can I eat this stuff without getting sick?
Thanks in advance, and extra points for stories in which you did get sick,
-bender
I checked the FDA website, and it looks like I can keep the cheese. I have a factory-sealed cheddar block and an opened swiss. I imagine the swiss might grow some mold, but no significant bacteria.
Here's the stuff it looks like I should throw away: Opened hard salami (not sliced), unopened sliced pastrami, and the saddest of all, unopened sliced Hormel bacon.
Is this a case of guidelines having too wide of a safety margin? Can I eat this stuff without getting sick?
Thanks in advance, and extra points for stories in which you did get sick,
-bender
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Re: Food safety - cooler got warm
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 5:01 AMWhen you're out in nature, it's probably a good idea to be able to handle germs/funghi/molds/yeasts etc. and other live cultures. Not all are toxic. Many cultures are intentionaly introduced into food for flavor, minerals, vitamins. So don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Some ways of preserving meat so that people can eat it later is to make salami or bacon or pemmican out of it. If salami grows a little whitish mold on its skin, just scrape it off. Salami should be hung by that string to get it plenty air.
If in doubt, cut off a sliver , taste it, swallow it, and see what happens. You'll know in 2-3 hours if it's good. Your body can handle a little bit even if it's bad. If it's good you can eat it. Salami,pepperoni,bacon,cultured cheese,etc. does not spoil that easily.
It's fun to do experiments and see just how far you can take food and have it still be edible...how warm, how humid, how dry....
bon appetit.
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Re: Food safety - cooler got warm
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 8:51 AMI would have to agree, but personally, the bacon, I would toss. -
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Re: Food safety - cooler got warm
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 10:38 AMI already cut the end off the salami and ate some without ill effect, so I think I can keep that.
The pastrami is probably too dangerous, so that's going.
I think you're right about the bacon, but God, it's hard to throw away bacon... -
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Re: Food safety - cooler got warm
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:10 PMcook it and make art,
Bacon should be good for something besides eating?
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Re: Food safety - cooler got warm
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 3:18 PM> it's hard to throw away bacon...
I can feel your pain.
I like your thinking, Celestia. Or at very least you could cook it and enjoy the smell of bacon, right? Maybe even try that little taste test to see if it's not so good? Although I'll give a warning - my husband once started some bacon cooking (which ended up being rather old) and it smelled *really* bad. We didn't even try it - it was tossed immediately.
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Re: Food safety - cooler got warm
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 6:30 PMThey are all cured and/or smoked meat. Those processes not only flavor meat they add preservation properties. They hold salami at room temperature in Italy for weeks. Anything that might be 'wrong" with the bacon or the pastrami would be illiminated in the cooking process if cooked to a temperature over 160 degrees ferenheit. If the cheese is not sliced cheese but block if you are worried at all just remove the outside 1/8 inch and what is inside will be perfectly fine. These were all foods "invented" before refridgeration so they are safer than say a raw steak or chicken breast. and a temp of 50 is in the lower part of what is called "The Danger Zone" where bacteria can live and grow. So it is a slow growth temperature. The problem is that most Americans because we worry so much about it and are rich enough to throw away "questionable" food we have what Europeans call glass stomachs. Stuff(molds and fungi and bacteria)that they think makes some foods taste better can make Americans ill. ly eat at French restaurants there if here you are a finicky and lkess than adventurous eater. Because French cooking techniques are basically to cook something 2 - 3 times to final dish. Most food that is "spoiled" in America and thrown away is still useable it simple needs to be rinsed with cold water and cooked thouroughly. I'm not just a chef I am a national certified food safety manager.