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Don't Panic: End of a World Age.

Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:33:43 GMT

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Teardrop camper trailers!

Dok_Atomik — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:29:17 GMT

Teardrop trailer

From Wikipedia:

"The trailer is so named for its resemblance to a teardrop. A teardrop trailer is a compact, lightweight, convenient travel trailer, which gets its name from its teardrop profile. Teardrop trailers first became popular in the 1930s and remained so until the mid 1970s, when they were supplanted by larger recreational trailers. As baby boomers begin to approach retirement, teardrop trailers have made a resurgence and are growing in popularity today.

There is room inside a teardrop trailer for two people to sleep comfortably, as well as storage for clothes and other items. Outside, in the rear under a hatch, there is usually an area for cooking (galley). Teardrop trailers tend to have lighting and other electrical power supplied by battery, although some have power hookups like regular travel trailers.

Most teardrop trailers are from 4 to 6 feet in width and from 8 to 10 feet in length. They are usually from 4 to 5 feet in height. Wheels and tires are usually outside the body and are covered by fenders. Larger teardrop trailers can have the wheels inside the body.

Some teardrop trailer owners participate in camping events for teardrop trailers (called 'gatherings'), and they welcome anyone to these gatherings.

Teardrop trailers are not exclusive to America. Other countries which have active teardrop owners and builders include Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and Germany, to name just a few.

Since teardrop trailers are so light, usually less than 450 kg (1000 pounds), just about any vehicle can tow one. Trailers can be towed by 4x4s, family minivans, classic cars, pickups, hot rods and even motorcycles. They are especially popular down under and towed with trikes both in New Zealand and Australia.

Until recently Teardrop Trailers were primarily built at home by creative individuals. There were several plans and instructions in historical magazines, such as Mechanics Illustrated, dating back as far as 1946. Not until 1998 were any plans available on the Internet. Those plans spawned interest and a revival of home builders and in turn helped to create an industry of small builders turning out several teardrop trailers per year."

end Wikipedia entry

So, what do you think? Do you have one? Want one? Want to build one?

http://www.golittleguy.com/

Johnny

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On a cold night, a hot drink.

Charles — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 05:04:56 GMT

I carry powdered chocolate on camping trips. Sometimes coffee creamer or powdered milk. And always stick cinnamon.
Brew it all up in pot and let it simmer. The cinnamon acts as a vasodilator and warms the body and the soul!

I will often times bring a small can of pineapple. If I have cinnamon, I'll boil the cinnamon, toss in the pineapple, a pinch of black pepper or cayenne and simmer for awhile. The drink really warms you up.

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Camping in Belize

Evan — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:05:27 GMT

Camping in Belize
Hey this is something I recommend after getting to belize 2 years ago. We started off sort of crash-landing on the coast in hopkins and hitched our way up the hummingbird highway to a mountainous area called stan creek. We - wife and 2 childpersons- camped on the side of a fresh water creek we could drink out of for 3 months before we went and investigated other areas of belize. We found lots of good places where we were welcomed to set up for as long as we wanted and were hardly asked for anything in payment! Now the tent is wrapped up and We're managing a resort.

You will need an ultra fine mesh tent designed for the tropics. a head lamp. a sleeping bag. a backpack. a bed roll. a good pair of boots to wear while you haul it all around. And a sweater.

When you are set up someplace get a hammock, a gas lamp, a komal(flat iron cooking skillet), some buckets to keep your food in and you're set.

Lots of out door livin and love is my wish for ya'll!
g'nite!

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cast iron vs nonstick

beast — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 01:13:39 GMT

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/food/3-health-reasons-to-cook-with-cast-iron-2574645/

3 health reasons to cook with cast-iron

by The Editors of EatingWell Magazine, on Tue Oct 4, 2011 8:46am PDT

By Kerri-Ann Jennings, M.S., R.D., Associate Nutrition Editor at EatingWell Magazine

Cast-iron skillets may seem like an old-fashioned choice in the kitchen. But this dependable cookware is a must in the modern kitchen. Cast-iron skillets conduct heat beautifully, go from stovetop to oven with no problem and last for decades. (In fact, my most highly prized piece of cookware is a canary-yellow, enamel-coated cast-iron paella pan from the 1960s that I scored at a stoop sale for $5.) As a registered dietitian and associate nutrition editor of EatingWell Magazine, I also know that there are some great health reasons to cook with cast iron.

17 Healthy Recipes for Cast Iron Skillets

1. You can cook with less oil when you use a cast-iron pan.
That lovely sheen on cast-iron cookware is the sign of a well-seasoned pan, which renders it virtually nonstick. The health bonus, of course, is that you won’t need to use gads of oil to brown crispy potatoes or sear chicken when cooking in cast-iron. To season your cast-iron skillet, cover the bottom of the pan with a thick layer of kosher salt and a half inch of cooking oil, then heat until the oil starts to smoke. Carefully pour the salt and oil into a bowl, then use a ball of paper towels to rub the inside of the pan until it is smooth. To clean cast iron, never use soap. Simply scrub your skillet with a stiff brush and hot water and dry it completely.

Must-Read: The 2 Healthiest Oils to Cook With (and the Worst to Avoid)

2. Cast iron is a chemical-free alternative to nonstick pans.
Another benefit to using cast-iron pans in place of nonstick pans is that you avoid the harmful chemicals that are found in nonstick pans. The repellent coating that keeps food from sticking to nonstick pots and pans contains PFCs (perfluorocarbons), a chemical that’s linked to liver damage, cancer, developmental problems and, according to one 2011 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, early menopause. PFCs get released—and inhaled—from nonstick pans in the form of fumes when pans are heated on high heat. Likewise, we can ingest them when the surface of the pan gets scratched. Both regular and ceramic-coated cast-iron pans are great alternatives to nonstick pans for this reason.

Must-Read: 7 Simple Ways to Detox Your Diet and Your Home
8 More Products to Help You Green Up Your Kitchen

3. Cooking with cast iron fortifies your food with iron.
While cast iron doesn’t leach chemicals, it can leach some iron into your food...and that’s a good thing. Iron deficiency is fairly common worldwide, especially among women. In fact, 10% of American women are iron-deficient. Cooking food, especially something acidic like tomato sauce in a cast-iron skillet can increase iron content, by as much as 20 times.

Find out: Are You and Your Family Getting Enough of the Nutrients You Need?

Do you cook with cast-iron?

By Kerri-Ann Jennings

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Bacon

Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:23:06 GMT

" mmmm" bacon burgers !
http://www.speakeasy.org/~sjmaks/bcb/
~Wendell~

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Using cake pans in a Dutch Oven

Candace — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:32:54 GMT

In J Wayne Fears' "The Complete Book of Dutch Oven Cooking":

"During my early days of Dutch oven cooking I was like many beginners and questioned whether allthe work that can go into cooking was worth it. There was the constant cleanup of the oven, I had to watch what I coked, as some high-acid foods required that I re-season the oven occasionally, and I was still burning some dishes no matter how hard I tried to master cooking in the black pot.

This all changed when I was on a hunt in a remote camp in Montana where the camp cookused cake racks and heavy-duty cake pans in his Dutch ovens and simply used the ovens like a home oven. Since the cake pans containing food were on the racks he had no burned foods. The racks allowed for good air circulation and eliminated hot spots. The heavy-duty aluminum pans kept the food away from the oven so cleanup was a snap. Rarely did he have to re-season a Dutch oven."

I am tempted to buy some heavy aluminum cake pans from a professional restaurant supply shop to try this out!

Does anyone here do this?

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Seeing at night!

Dok_Atomik — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:52:28 GMT

Any special techniques/equipment to see and be seen at nighttime festival activities?

Do you carry/use a flashlight or head light?

Do you depend on your ElWire-festooned tutu for others to see you?

Will the Rangers end up assisting you after a middle-of-the-night excursion into the deep playa without a light?

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a one-slice campfire toaster

beast — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 09:23:14 GMT

get an old heavy metal coat hanger
untwist the ends and straighten it out completely
find the center and bend it there in a nice rounded end
place this end over a 1 x 4 with rounded corners
clamp the two free ends to another 1x4 so they just stick past
take a 1 inch square piece of wood about 12 inches long
place it between the 2 wires, somewhere near the middle
now turn this slowly so the spaces between the small block and the end blocks
twist up nice and evenly so it looks something like this
==>-----<>-------<==>
now burn it good to clean off any coating
you can open the forks to most any width you need
i set them around 2 inches wide
cheap, easy to make, and no big loss if you lose one

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First baking experience in a hike-in camp

Dok_Atomik — Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:43:54 GMT

I remember an especially anxious camping experience — an event that would begin my outdoor cooking experiences.

A couple of weeks before, I had exhausted my boy scout reading materials and all my usual outdoor fantasy stuff. Quivering and twitching like a tweaker found alongside the road to Gerlach, I was looking for a pre-camping read.

I found relief in my sister's girl scout handbook. Pretty much the same general camping information, until you got to the "girlie" stuff. the home-economist-to-be stuff, the cooking stuff.

I found myself hiking in with a steel washbasin and a pie pan lashed to my rucksack.

I assembled a pie with a ready rolled crust, apple sauce, and corn flakes. I placed the "mock apple pie" in the fire pit, covered the pie with the inverted washbasin, and built my campfire.

I was 11 and had not, before, had any training (or encouragement) with regard to cooking and baking.

I wish I could remember my main course (selected from the same girl scout handbook).

I'll bet, though, that many scouts still remember that pie.

I am still excited to provide unusual things as campfire goodies.

Yep, there really are a lot of ways to scramble eggs when you're camping. That's just too easy!

How about trying eggs benedict? *grin* How 'bout if you make your own english muffins on the griddle?

Now, of course, there is a lot more attention to such "girlie" stuff. In the mid-60s, there were more than a few boy scouts whose culerinary breadth was pretty-well-defined by a can of beans. *grin*

No offense intended, ladies. *wink*

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pie iron cooking

Candace — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:57:42 GMT

Anybody here use pie irons, or "Jaffle" irons for making grilled sandwiches and dessert pies over a bed of oals before?

I used one, once, several years ago on a camping trip. Someone else had brought them. i recall that it was a funa novel way to cook dinner.

I was looking at the Sportsman's Guide site and found some round and square pie iron designs for sale there.

Unfortunately, the square ones are backordered. I was wondering if anyone here has used both and whether they preferred one design over the other?

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100 picnics for independence day

Katha — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:32:54 GMT

here's a link to 100 reallllly simple good picnic foods:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/dining/02mini.html?_r=1&ref=dining&oref=slogin

you probably know 'em, but...

LIBERTY & GOOD FOOD OUTSIDE FOR ALL

Love from Katha

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TIP: Cooking with Wood

Dok_Atomik — Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:26:11 GMT

TIP: Estimating temperatures and general cooking tips for wood fires

I have heard ─ so very many times ─ that cooking with Dutch ovens is an art. Well, maybe. I think there is a buncha science, as well.

Some folks get a bit confused where temperature control is concerned. Because temperature control can be a bit less predictable than it can be when selecting settings on your gas or electric oven, it is easy (or, maybe, lazy) to say that it cannot be done.

There is a problem with approaching this “cooking as art” approach. If we ignore the science involved, and still want to work with a heat source that offers a far greater range of temperatures than gas, then our “art” is forced to be incredibly tolerant of the same wide range of temperatures.

Cooking with gas and electric ovens is the relative newcomer on the block, and yet ─ for many Americans, in particular ─ cooking over a wood fire is already a lost “art.” Heck, watching some “mountain men” (or women) tackle the effort, I might agree. All because we have ─ as a group ─ forgotten the science involved.

Before I can address temperature control, we need to remember (or learn) how to build a cooking fire.

You will hear folks speak of “keyhole” fire building, which refers to a technique where there is a larger fire used to produce embers, and an area where the embers are dragged into a separate area of the fire to allow an even distribution of heat. Actual keyhole-shaped fire rings can still be found, but these are often better-suited to grilling than to the use of Dutch ovens.

Still, the general approach is the same. We use the larger portion of the fire ring to build the fire and to generate embers. We scrape a portion of the resulting embers to a separate area of the campfire, which allows us to even-out the embers to permit a relatively consistent temperature.

One way to prepare our embers-only area of the campfire for cooking with a Dutch oven is to place some half-blocks of concrete (or other, similar materials) in the embers area suitable for placement of a DO directly on the blocks. This is easily done by building the fire on (and next to) the blocks, then moving the fire off the blocks when the bed of embers are ready for cooking. A little leveling of the bed of embers with your campfire shovel, and you are ready to place your Dutch oven and begin cooking.

Another approach is to use a tripod. After starting the fire and preparing the ember bed, we use a tripod to place a Dutch oven over the embers. The use of a tripod has a lot going for it ─ adding easy adjustability, removing the need to make our embers bed able to support the weight of the oven, and pushing the appearance of our cook area further into the “way cool” range. Two precautions ─ be very careful in the handling of the oven, and avoid the temptation to place the oven too far away from the embers for the sake of appearance. In its proper use for DO cooking, the tripod should hold the DO in close proximity to the embers (1 to 2 inches) and the embers adjusted for the temperature specified in the recipe (I assume 325-350 degrees F, if not specified).

Not the easiest (but, arguably, the best) approach is to move the embers to a separate fire pan or DO cooking table, and use (and replenish, as necessary) the embers just as you might use charcoal briquets. Of course, we are then doing without some of the “charm” factor by not using a tripod ─ but we are also doing without some other hassles of the use of the Dutch oven in the fire pit.

In every case, our efforts are aided immensely by a campfire (fireplace) shovel.

Our goal ─ so far ─ has been to use a wood fire to create and maintain relatively consistent temperatures. Now, we need to be able to estimate those cooking temperatures.

We simply (but carefully) hold our hand (palm down) to within one to two inches of the embers. We count “one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand, etc.” until our hand becomes uncomfortably hot.

A count in the range of 6 to 8 corresponds to 250-300 degrees F.

A count in the range of 4 to 5 corresponds to 350-400 degrees F.

A count in the range of 2 to 3 corresponds to 450 degrees F.

A count of 1 or less corresponds to 500 degrees F (or higher).

The advantage of the “scientific” approach is to allow consistent, repeatable results that will allow the Dutch oven enthusiast to know what his/her cooking will produce ─ every time.

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Dropbears

wimpehiker — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:03:00 GMT

are reputed to be the most dangerous animal in Australia. Here's what every prospective bushwalker should know.
http://tinyurl.com/ygwgq9z

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Phony ghost picks, Bigfoot, etc.

wimpehiker — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 02:40:19 GMT

About the putative ghost picks. I say baloney!

The late Eric Beckjord ran a scam with a similar flavor. For a fee, he'd take people out on Bigfoot expeditions--for example off Highway 88, on the Western slope of California's Northern Sierra Nevada Mountains. For all of the blurry spots in the participants' photos, he'd say: Hey look, there's Bigfoot! Beckjord claimed that Bigfoot was an 'inter-dimensional being', whatever that means.

In sharp contrast to Beckjord, Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization is legit. BFRO does detailed analyses of purported Bigfoot sightings, and of alleged debunkings.

In my book, the jury is still out on the existence of the big guy (and of ghosts for that matter). But I'm glad that intelligent, honest people are looking into it. I don't participate, because
(a) I don't have anything to add;
(b) I view the probability of my making a significant discovery in this area as being quite small;
(c) I don't want to risk becoming a laughingstock.

LINK
http://www.bfro.net/

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Are there any skoolie people in DC or MD?

busdweller — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:11:57 GMT

Hi gang

I have a friend the will be doing some research in DC soon and needs to be able to boondock with his mini skoolie. He has solar power and water storage so he just needs a few places to park for a night or two here and there. I’m sure he would be willing to contribute for his stay. If any of you kind folks can help him out please drop me a line at busdweller56@gmail.com It’s not for at least another month yet.

Peace along the way
Dennis the bus dweller N.Y.

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PSY Mixes for Download...

Jacquelyn — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:39:35 GMT

i have 3 new psy-mixes published and also a 1X1Tag-mix w/Machine posted up at the Unique Freaque Site (http://ssk.uniquefreaquerecords.com)....

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Watershed Restoration

sustcomm-at-Yahoo — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:08:50 GMT

Why not create your own watershed group?
I do have more than just a few acres of land for friends to join me on. - T
http://northcoastcouncil.org

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Keeping it where you want it — tent stakes

Dok_Atomik — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:55:55 GMT

How do you keep stuff where you want under any reasonable range of environmental conditions you may face?

Discussion may be lively if we are talking about tents, shade structures, backpacking, and many other considerations of camping. What about the lowly (but mighty, i hope *grin*) tent stake?

You mean those extruded plastic thingies included with my tent?

The shovel-shaped, bag, bucket or auger device you have learned to use for beach (and/or heavy snow) challenges?

The tricks to deal with especial considerations in scrub, intermediate, or desert? (see note)

Note That includes "the playa," dude! *grin*

What works in areas of heavy forest or jungle? In rocky soil? On rock? On glacier? *grin* In mid-ascent of a rockface?

Hmm?

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How to maintain a tent zipper

Dok_Atomik — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:34:52 GMT

It's true, I am a big time fan of a particular brand (duh), but this is good advice for any of you camping in tents that have zippers.

As much as possible, keep ypur zipper free of any debris, Never step on the zipper, if at all possible. Clean your tent frequently. At least once each year, include the zippers and slides in the thorough cleaning. Your end-of-the-season cleaning should include lubrication of the zipper and slide with silicone spray lubricant or candle wax. Lubricate again before (or during) your first camping trip of each camping season. In sandy areas, lubrication and cleaning may be necessary two or three times each year.

WD-40 is not an acceptable substitute for the silicone spray or candle wax, and is not recommended as a zipper lubricant.

Sand may make the use of candle wax our first choice for tent (and other zipper) use.

The slide (and its internal lubricant in the form of a polymer insert) are consumables, and will fail (eventually) in most applications, without regard for the quality of the zipper. But the mean-time-between-failures (MBF) tends to be much better for the quality product. If/when you notice a snag/catch in the zipper, inspection should be immediate (or darn soon).

When a zipper slide fails. do not freak out. It's replacable, either under warranty or for $5-$25 for the part (and easy install that doesn't require sewing). There are zipper field repair kits described on one or more of the links.

How to keep ypur tent forever
http://www.bootsnall.com/guides/05-05/how-to-keep-your-tent-forever.html

You may be able to repair your tent zipper on the trail
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/getaways/233176_askkristin21.html

The care and feeding of your tent
http://www.mountainhardwear.com/images/MHW_care_tents.html

How do you unstick a zipper?
http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060728220222AAhcROJ

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EQUIPMENT REPORT: the Springbar Tent

Dok_Atomik — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:46:41 GMT

EQUIPMENT REPORT: the Springbar Tent

There's a piece of equipment I need to mention. There are lotsa tents made around the world, and many of them are wonderful for their intended use. Backpacker/mountaineering tents. Yurts. RenFair-inspired historical contraptions. Truly, grotesquely wretched canvas tents with external frames of mystery and difficult erection. Wal-Mart specials. And others.

Many of their tents have uses, even if some of them — especially some of the discount specials — appear to be fair-weather tents designed primarily as a privacy cabana. Some of them — particularly those "external frame" canvas relics from the sixties — remain in use principally to provide entertainment to other, wiser campers.

It was 1998. I was back in California, having just returned from our most-recent period of Hawaiian residence. We had not yet purchased another RV, had no immediate plans to settle in CA, and were just enjoying weekends traveling around the state. We had purchased a "really cool," kinda-expensive, and fairly-esoteric outfitter tent. In a bit less than a year, we had already camped in a dozen-or-so regional parks, Lassen Volcanic Park, and Yosemite.

With no hurry (and plenty of time for a Pete's Wicked) and with two of us doing the duty, we were able to erect our tent in about an hour — fully an hour faster than some of the canvas relics (but much longer than some little backpackers, of course).

We were camping in Point Arena to do some "beach" diving the next day. We had just set up camp when a new camper arrived at an adjacent site. She was a petite woman, and she was alone. The tent she had dragged out of her van was obviously one of those canvas behemoths, and my wife and I nudged each other knowingly.

Sixty or eighty pounds of canvas. This woman (and for that matter, any unassisted man) was going to have difficulty erecting this monster. I stood proud and tall in my masculinity, and offered to assist our new neighbor. My wife (equally prideful, if a bit less tall and not-at-all masculine) offered to assist.

Our neighbor stopped — briefly — to say "Hi neighbors, no thanks."

My wife and I immediately started our snooping, arranging our camp chairs to keep an eye on our neighbor's activities "without being too obvious." C'mon, you know what I mean! Snooping? Well, I mean...

Before I had time to finish a fresh Pete's Wicked, our neighbor was finished.

Our neighbor had stretched out the bottom of the tent, and driven a dozen or so tent stakes into the ground around the tent perimeter (ten minutes, or half of my beer).

I was a little puzzled by the apparent "misunderstanding" of what I thought should be the order of events, and remained confident we would have to assist.

She then assembled four springy-thingies-like-auto-antennas onto a thicker tubular bar while threading the springy-thingies into loops on what will become the roof of the tent. A serious-sounding "snap" turns the lumpy canvas into a trampoline-taut roof, still lying on the ground (five minutes, or several more good pulls on my beer).

Now mystified, I waited to see more.

Our new camping neighbor assembled tubular pieces into four tent poles. One of them was used to partially erect the tent — raising half of the roof. A second pole raised the rest of the tent with impressive, near-straight walls. The remaining two poles were used, along with the first guy-lines I had seen, to raise the fly over the entrance. (Another five minutes, bringing me up to the last swallow of my beer).

Wow! I was impressed. Our neighbor still had a buncha guy-lines to make it stable (still confident in my engineer's eye and near-godlike camper wisdom) under wind conditions, but this thing already LOOKED like a tent — and a really cool tent, at that.

At least as impressive was the fact that our neighbor was a very petite woman, yet her erection of this heavy tent was effortless.

I downed the spit-swallow (beerese for the last bit of my beer), and already considering another when I noticed new activity at the neighbor's site. She had thrown a couple of sleeping bags into the tent, spoke briefly about this or that errand, and driven off in her van.

— Leaving me to share with my wife my worry that we would now have to install the guys after darkness and, perhaps, even deal with a bit of wind. Well, as many of you might guess from any local knowledge of Point Arena or the Mendocino coast, this late-summer evening included an offshore breeze reaching as much as 15 knots.

The Springbar, of course, took it all in stride — despite the near-vertical nature of its side walls.

The next morning (I was unable to remain awake for the neighbor’s return) my neighbor laughed at my concern. “I have never used any other guy lines, and I have camped all over the west — even in the desert during wind storms,” she said gently.

Oh, my. A heavy canvas tent that is easily erected by a 95-pound, size-4 petite! And it stays up!!!

I bought one.

I might go on and on about the style and design simplicity, its cool looks, its USA manufacture (in Utah), its impressive ability to withstand wind and rain, the modern materials used in its manufacture, the tent’s history, the joy that standing headroom is to users bigger-than-the-standard-bear (78” max. for the model I selected, the Traveler) and everyone else, whatever.

I bought one.

www.springbar.com

Seeya ‘round the campfire,

Johnny

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savage survival !!!

docktour_dummy — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:15:17 GMT

an important aspect to wilderness survival is your use of fire...specifically your cooking fire in contrast to your campfire !! a good cooking fire is more important in lieu of the fact...you can sleep on it to keep warm...proper preparation is important however...in that it requires a dug trench (so carry a small shovel) dimensions can vary but about 18" wide by 3' will provide ample sleep comfort...after cooking...cover your coals with the dirt you dug out of the trench...they will warm up the emplaced dirt and give you a night's warmth if you sleep on it...many of the indians did this on hunting parties (so you know it works)...after all they had thousands of years of practice..until europeans decided they were too savage...to decide for themselves about how to live !!!

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Cooking Snake

girlmark — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:28:04 GMT

I was googling for more cast iron seasoning info to add to the cast iron thread, and while I didn't like what the following site had for cast iron (the wiki on cast iron seasoning basically started with 'use a self-cleaning oven'), I was interested in the snake prep info that I somehow found instead:

http://www.wikihow.com/Cook-a-Snake

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Campfire cooking essentials

windwaterclear — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:56:08 GMT

All of us who cook know that there is a range of essentials to keep in the kitchen cupboard..but when going camping, it's a little different. We are writing a small booklet to offer to our campers and we thought it would be fun to ask the experts this question.

If you had to choose 10 essential food items/staples that would enhance any campfire cookout what would they be?

Looking forward to some tasty answers!!!

love and blessings
sunny and pierre soleil

Harmonic Emergence - Return to Earth
H.E.R.E.

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What do I need to go camping???

Thu, 07 May 2009 22:36:13 GMT

So, for the rookie, who has never gone before, give me the list of things needed to go camping. We're thinking tent camping, and pretty private, for 2-3 days to start. We don't want to take the kitchen sink and the stove with us. LOL So small and packable please. Would love to hear your list of things to take along from all of your experienced campers. Obviously we need a tent, so take it from there! Thanks!

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Yurts?

Djinn — Fri, 15 May 2009 21:39:22 GMT

I hear there is somebody here who makes their own line of yurts. I might need to move into one so I have a bedroom on my families property and I am looking for something more affordable than the other quotes that are on the market.

Someone named Burt?

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cast iron pan

Dean — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:25:05 GMT

I need a lil help here. I have an old corn bread pan that I had beed blasted to clean off the rust, now I want to season it. what is the proper way to do that?

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California's Central Valley

jay9 — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:52:44 GMT

Any central valley campers/hikers in here??

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Dutch oven ribs ~

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:49:13 GMT

Does anyone have a good recipe or tips for cooking boneless ribs in a dutch oven?
Thanks!

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Restaurant Style Baked Patatoe???

CrossSidhe — Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:20:27 GMT

OK Peeps,

I know this is not a Dutch Over related topic. However it is still food related. Plus I do not want this Tribe to die.

So....

Does anyone know the how to cook a restaurant style baked patatoe?

I am looking for the skin texture and salt coating.

Cross the Sidhe

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Lost Coast - Bear Harbor to Wheeler(ish)?

Steve — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:23:05 GMT

Anyone done this? Thinking of a tight(ish) sched:
- departing Santa Rosa c. noon
- 4ish hours to the trailhead
- 4ish hours on-trail
- setting up camp (Wheeler, maybe School Marm) as the sun sets.
Anyone who's done this segment able to comment?

Also -- we have hayfever (grass allergies) to contend with.
Anyone know if Wheeler is grassy, or forested, or...?
What about School Marm... is the campsite in-grove, or in grass?

BTW - apologies for the X-post...

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Time to go!!!!

Sprout — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:02:59 GMT

I'm looking for a nice place to camp in Missouri.
We're looking for a place that will let us have our dogs (off leash, keeping in mind that they are well behaved), has a nice swimming hole and is fairly private. Oh, and we'll be basically car camping, so minimal hike-in a plus.
Any ideas?

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Hot Springs in Central Valley, CA

jay9 — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:52:52 GMT

Anyone know of any hot springs, or if not, any good hiking places in the Central Valley of California?

Thanks.

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Springbar tent - noob tenter

myshell — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:24:24 GMT

Greetings!

I camped in a comfy RV last year for my first burn but am tenting it this year and am pretty much in charge of organizing everything. I've never put a tent together much less even really know anything about how to build a custom shade structure so I'm researching everything that I need to know now so I don't get out to black rock come September and have my tent blow away from poor planning!

Somebody directed me here and said that you might be able to help me answer some questions about springbar tents. After hours of searching for the perfect tent for this years burn, it looks like the Springbar Vagabond is the perfect tent for me.

Here are my questions:

1. I've read that these sell out in the Summer months - do you think if I waited to June to purchase it would be too late? I need to save $$$ in order to buy as I'm already going over budget with how much I wanted to spend. I hear these will last years so I think it will be worth it to fork over the extra cash.

2. Would army camo net be a good a good shade structure or what would be the ideal shade structure for this tent? I've also heard talks about emergency blankets as shade(mylar?), or aluminet, which I have no experience with. I'm completely clueless on how to build some of the shade structures from scratch so the simpler the better...I just want to make sure the tent isn't an oven by 9am!

3. I hear rebar for tents is a must, but from the looks of it everybody keeps saying Springbar tents are very sturdy, do i still need rebar for my springbar tent or will it be burning man ready right out of the box?

Any tips will be 100% appreciated!

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A Quick, easy and delicious Chili recipe

Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:04:05 GMT

1 pound ground meat(any kind you want to use) or for vegetarians 1 pound ground portabello mushrooms and one pound of TVP
one tablespoon of bacon grease or olive oil
Salt and pepper to taste
2 cans of your favorite beans "For Chili"(2.5 size)
2 cans chopped tomatoes w/onions "For Chili" (2.5 size)
1-3 cloves of minced garlic(in other words to your taste)
1 or more Tablespoons of Chili Powder(to taste)
1 Cup roasted and chopped chili peppers(whatever you like, I use Annaheims)
One envelope of dry vegetable soup/dip/sauce mix
One envelope of onion soup/dip/sauce mix
1 12 ounce bottle of your favorite beer
a dutch oven (at least a 6 qt)
a wooden spoon
a can opener
heat the dutch oven when hot place oil in and swirl around then add ground protein substance and a sprinkle of salt and brown. then add the garlic cook until garlic is transluscent and then add all the canned ingredients,the peppers and beer stir and bring to a boil. Reduce heat and add dry envelope mixes first one then the other stirring each in in turn. cover and simmer, stirring occassionally until chili thickens and has a nice stew like appearance (an hour or two) Throwing it together takes under 15 minutes then the slow simmering to bring it to perfection as much time as it takes. Really a simple way to make fantastic chili with a deep, rich flavor profile.

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Hot drink recipes?

Dok_Atomik — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:37:45 GMT

Hot cider with a cinnimon stick?
A favorite cocoa?
Rum toddies?

Do you have a favorite warm-up in cold weather?

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Sitka filmmaker searches for the right foods to eat

Katha — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:52:15 GMT

By Katie Spielberger | CCW Staff Writer
SITKA - What is the ethical way to eat in Alaska - or anywhere? How can you break away from the industrial food system? Where is your comfort level in taking a life for food? Is it better to shoot a deer than to buy tofu that has been shipped thousands of miles? Can a former vegetarian even shoot a deer?
Sitka filmmaker Ellen Frankenstein is fascinated by these questions and she hopes viewers of her film "Eating Alaska" will be too.
"I'm asking questions that I think a lot of people are asking right now," Frankenstein said.
Frankenstein calls her film "a wry quest for the right things to eat." Three years in the making, the film was produced in collaboration with KTOO-TV, and is available to groups for private and public screenings throughout the state and beyond.
"One thing that kind of triggered the film was when I learned that some (female) friends of mine were hunting," Frankenstein said. "I wanted to see if I could learn to hunt as an ex-vegetarian."
Learning to hunt is just one episode in the film. After the experience, Frankenstein still had unanswered questions and wanted to "stir the pot a bit."
So in the film, she also fishes for wild salmon with her fisherman husband and visits a farmers market in the Lower 48. She visits a vegan cooking class in Wasilla and talks to a home economics class in Kotzebue about their favorite foods (traditional Native subsistence foods - and pretzels).
In the process of making the film, Frankenstein talked to Native elders, biologists and conservationists. She looked at the history of eating in Alaska, from a subsistence lifestyle to early pioneer farms to being a part of the industrial food chain and the current interest in eating locally again.
In the Lower 48, Frankenstein thought eating a vegetarian diet was the best way to minimize her impact on the earth. But when she moved to Alaska 15 years ago, it wasn't clear whether eating vegetarian was the right thing to do anymore.
"It didn't seem to make sense for the environment (to sustain) a lot of cows and cattle," she said. "But if you get the meat or fish yourself and you're doing it in this kind of ethical way, it makes as much sense as shipping in tofu, or more sense."
Her film explores questions without offering definite answers, and Frankenstein is clear that her goal was to incite discussion, not convert others to a specific way of thinking about food.
"I've lived here a long time and I (started wondering) how do you get a conversation going about the environment so it doesn't seem like you're some kind of greenie?" she said.
"Eating to Alaska" is her answer to this question. And judging by the initial response, it seems to be working. The film debut in Sitka last weekend to a crowd of almost 500 people.
"It was a festive community event that brought people together, stimulated discussion and promoted action (such as) our new community greenhouse," Frankenstein wrote in an e-mail after the event. "Exactly what I hoped for - film as community art! And (I) want that to happen in other communities!"
Any interested group or organization is encouraged to host screenings and discussions of the film in their community. For more information or to obtain a copy of the film, visit www.eatingalaska.com.

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Camping Humor

Enchanted Reverie — Sat, 19 May 2007 23:47:42 GMT

To be a happy camper, remember:
- A tuba placed on your picnic table will keep campsites on either side vacant.

- A hot rock placed in your sleeping bag will keep your feet warm, but eating a hot enchilada works just as well and is less dangerous.

- You can compress the diameter of your rolled-up sleeping bag by running over it with your car.

- A two-man pup tent should not be used either by two men or a pup.

- A potato baked in coals for an hour makes a good meal. One baked for three hours makes a good hockey puck.

- In emergency situations, you can survive by shooting small game with a slingshot made from the elastic in your underwear.

- A large carp can be used for a pillow.

- You can get even with a bear who steals your food by going to his favorite stump and eating the ants.

- The guitar of a noisy teenager makes excellent kindling.

- You can duplicate the warmth of a down-filled bedroll by climbing into a garbage bag with two geese.

- You'll never get lost if you remember that moss always grows on the north side of your compass.

- Bear bells are convenient for campers in grizzly country. (The tricky part is getting them on the bears.)

((thank you thank you thank you....I'll be here all week!))

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Out door portable grill.

Patrick — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:32:30 GMT

I am looking to buy or preferably make a large (6-7 Ft.) grill for cooking at festivals and out door events. It has to be able to breakdown and fit in a very limited storage space. I would love to be able to use either propane or charcoal, I think there is a way. NO! I know there is a way. I just need some help realizing my dream. Any help or suggestions would be great!
Thanks
Peace and Love,
Patrick

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springbar tent newbie questions

maxweb — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:46:40 GMT

Hello, Dok Atomik and the Campfire Cafe! The Shade Geeks sent me over here and said y'all have some expertise regarding these newfangled Springbar tents. I'm joining the club!

I upgraded my small backpacking tent to a big-ass canvas Springbar Vagabond 7 model this year (yay!). I also ordered the portico option, which provides a removable (via heavy-duty zipper) entrance canopy, side flaps, and additional poles and ropes to prop everything up. But I have a couple of questions:

1. Should I unzip and store the portico when I'm not actively using it for shade (i.e. at night or when I'm away from camp during the day)? I'm concerned about how it will behave in the wind. Is there a preferred direction to orient a big tent for prevailing playa winds?

2. I have a big rectangular piece of Aluminet to drape over the tent for shade protection and would appreciate any suggestions about how to rig it to cover the whole tent when I'm not using it but allow occasional access to the front door. My strategy here probably depends on #1, above.

Thanks for any suggestions!

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RV dog door? (X-post)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:27:01 GMT

We are getting ready to move into an RV permanently and have been looking for a dog door that will work in a travel trailer or 5th wheel door. The ones at PetCo and Pet Smart are too deep so they won't work. Anyone have any leads for us? I really appreciate any help you have to offer. Thanks!

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Campground in North Florida

ParaLounge — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:41:42 GMT

Greetings,
We have a campground in North Florida. The River REndezvous is in Mayo Florida and directly on the Suwannee River. We have large drum gatherings that attract people from all over the world. The campground has cabins, primitive camping, electric hook ups, and RV hook ups. You can rent canoes and have a great time exploring the Florida springs on the Suwannee River. The campground is basically hidden from the world. No grocery store or Wal-Mart within 30 miles. It's real Florida. You can look at the river from all most every area of the park. We have been organizing The Paralounge Drum Gathering for about seven years, and we are now helping briong this campground back to life. Check out www.paralounge.net and see what we are up too. As avid campers, we love the campground. As campground managers, we have found a new respect for what it takes to provide folks with a great experience and have a beautiful campground.
Safe journeys,
Clint

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Refrigeration

Hoodoo — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:26:19 GMT

There's an interesting discussion regarding cooling with ice in the 'MOOP reduction/elimination' thread.

I wonder if anyone's heard of these:

Pot-in-Pot refrigerator
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2116766
http://other90.cooperhewitt.org/Design/pot-in-pot-cooler

For years I've wanted to try one at Burning Man, but haven't been able to find any. Do you think these would be useful on the Playa?

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Safety 1st

GorgJosh — Tue, 20 May 2008 06:41:24 GMT

Well summer is in full swing, and with it comes travel, events, meeting new friends and having just a ton of fun!

However, it's no fun should something bad happen, but by taking the time to just add a few precautions one can often make a bad situation from becoming a horrible one, or avoid it all together.

Here are a few tips one might want to consider:

1. If you are using a stove or generator, have a fire extinguisher. It's a good idea to have one in your trunk anyway, and they are not that expensive.

2. 1st aid kit. It's doesn't have to be huge, but if your organizing a big camp you may want to have one that's stocked accordingly.

3. Fill out an emergency contact card and keep it with you. There are people whom I love and adore, but I don't even know their real name let alone who to contact if something terrible were to happen. Even just a piece of paper saying "I'm so-in-so, please contact what's-his-face if I'm in trouble".

4. Don't get WAY intoxicated without having a friend to take care of you who has at least 1 leg in reality. Ask ahead of time if they will keep an eye on you.....

6. 911 is not enough, take a moment to find the nearest hospital and have a map to it. Also it's not a bad idea to find out who to contact in the event of an emergency in your given area. Even a few seconds could mean the difference between life or death.

5 Whether throwing a party, or putting up a small weekend camp...just take a moment to walk around and look for things that might not be so safe. Put tennis ball over stake ends, tie some ribbons to a line so people can see it, tape down electrical chords or tuck them out of the way. Just taking a moment to idiot check your environment with safety in mind can help prevent a lot, and it's really not that difficult.

Safety is really a group effort, so lets all just look out for each other. If you see something that has you concerned, bring it to someones attention. There is no need to be a Nazi about it, but many accidents happen due to complacency.

So feel free to add a few of your own tips, and lets all have a fantastic summer!

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Thieves!!!!!!

Sprout — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:38:31 GMT

Ok, so this may not be relevent to this tribe, but ya'll are smart cookies and I thought you'd ave some ideas. And it concerns music festivals, so it's somewhat related.

The story goes like this:
I know a glass blower who was up at a music fest. He was "vending" in an unauthorized manner, namely selling pipes that he made himself. He was sitting at his camp, his boxes were in his tent. A guy comes up, sees the boxes and asks if he has glass in them. My friend thinks he's gonna make a sale and instead this guy pulls out a badge and just takes all his glass. About $4000, or his summer fund, worth.
I understand that most festivals have a policy about non authorized vending, but none of the authorized vendors sell pipes, so it's not taking business from them. Also, in many places, pipes are not considered paraphanalia until they are used. So this cop basically just STOLE from an artist. And the more I think about it, the madder I get. Is there a good way to deal with a situation like this?

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Used Springbar Tent?

donnie — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:40:13 GMT

Hi Everyone;

I recently tried to purchase an Springbar Oufitter 3 for this year's Burn, but they are on backorder until September! Does anyone know where I could find one of these tents used? I've looked all over the net, and have had zero luck :(

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only charcoal allowed?!

cooldawn — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:09:36 GMT

In the past I've cooked over an open fire, but we're going to Angel Island next week and we can only use their little charcoal grill thingy. Obviously we can grill things like burgers, veggies, etc but my fav camp stew that simmers all day is out. I'm thinking we can boil some water in the AM for baggie omelets or instant oatmeal, but I'm a little leery of trying pancakes or standard scrambled eggs cuz I'm concerned about the fire staying hot enough long enough to cook everything.... any voices of experience out there? Suggestions for things to try or avoid when doing charcoal only cooking?

Thanks!

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MMMMMMMMMMM "Chicken fried bacon"

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:08:27 GMT

Link to interesting video.
Enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfbTO0GlONU
~Wendell~

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Would you camp with a few hundred drums around a fire?

ParaLounge — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:51:35 GMT

If yes, then you should check out the Paralounge Drum Gathering in North Florida. You can camp with three to four hundred drum circle enthusiest from all over the world. Spend the weekend camping on the Suwannee River in the beautiful campground known as the River Rendezvous. There is a beautiful fresh water spring on the premises. Learn about indigenous music from the tribes of the world. Explore your musical creativity and learn to build confidence and self esteem through rhythm exercises and drum circle. It is a unique experience for the entire family. Check out the website www.paralounge.net for full details. It's a camping experience you will not want to miss.
Safe journeys,
Clint

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Tent Help!!!!

Sprout — Tue, 06 May 2008 03:04:36 GMT

So I'm shopping for a new tent. Between the reviews and deals and features, I'm a bit lost.
Weight doesn't matter much since I mostly car camp, for now.

Musts:
2 people sleep comfortably
Weather proof i.e. rain and WIND (Kansas and Missouri have CRAZY weather)
Good ventilation (I can't sleep if I'm too hot, or even too warm :)
$300 or less

Pluses:
Vestibules

SO I'm considering the Sierra Designs Reverse Combi or Electron.
Any experience with either of these?
Any other recomendations?

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BBQ @ 4000 feet above sea level

freedomgriner — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:27:22 GMT

I know things take longer to cook at those heights, but is there anything else I should be aware of. I am planning to bring ribs and my home made BBQ sauce for my first night at Burning Man as a way to say "Hi" to my new neighbors and friends I have made online but will be meeting for the first timer there. I'm shy and food is something I'm good at and everyone loves. I just don't want to get all of this going and mess it up because of some weird altitude thing. So any suggestions?

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Safety

MickD — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:32:59 GMT

With the recent hiker murder in the N. Georgia mountains, the issue of safety is being discussed here:

http://thebackpacker.tribe.net/thread/1c23941f-de55-494d-8360-df402cc1deb3

And people are sharing their stories here:

http://thebackpacker.tribe.net/thread/1020136b-dd85-4921-be2f-bb4bcaed4840

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Making jerky and other dehydrator goodies

Dok_Atomik — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:53:12 GMT

I have recently purchased another smoker, a Weber Smokey Mountain cooker.

While smoking roasts and such for the WSM's maiden flight, I did something new — I actually read the sparse instruction pamphlet.

No big surprises here, I thought — until I stumbled upon the notation regarding the use of the WSM as a dehydrator. I could do some of those little treats without having to give up space for a separate dehydrator. No big deal, I guess. I simply had not thought of it before.

Still another new project (Oh, joy!). *grin*

So, I could use a little mentoring.

Any tips specific to the WSM? Any general tips or recipes for jerky or other goodies?

I have access to a good butcher, venison, and many goodies from the sea.

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Favorite Camp Food

kenders5 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:01:40 GMT

So when camping what is your favorite easy to take and prep food. We take thin sliced roast place it in a double sealed baggies with marinating sauce and then slipping it on a hot dog cooking skewer and roasting over the camp fire. In the same time it takes to cook a hot dog we have a better quality meat

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Cooking wild swan.

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:37:57 GMT

Does anyone have a recipe for swan?
Have looked at dozens of wild game cooking websites , but not a single mention of swan.
Guess we'll just prepare like a goose!!??
~Wendell~

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Bill to Ban Web Anonymity

kenders5 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:06:38 GMT

Under House Bill 775, filed by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden Kentucky.

Couch's bill would require anyone who contributes to a Web site to register their real name, address and e-mail address with that Web site. Their full name then would be used whenever they posted a comment.

Web site operators who violated the disclosure law would be fined $500 for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.

I know I don't want every person out in cyberspace to know all my real life personal location information. Just because I want to speak up on topics and converse here doesn't mean I want my personal identity information shared So what are your general thoughts on this?

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Food safety - cooler got warm

verbamour — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:26:25 GMT

I went to Fuente Eterno and didn't end up eating everything. The cooler probably got warm (50 degrees) on Friday and stayed that way until I unloaded Monday evening. There are some things I'm having trouble bringing myself to throw away.

I checked the FDA website, and it looks like I can keep the cheese. I have a factory-sealed cheddar block and an opened swiss. I imagine the swiss might grow some mold, but no significant bacteria.

Here's the stuff it looks like I should throw away: Opened hard salami (not sliced), unopened sliced pastrami, and the saddest of all, unopened sliced Hormel bacon.

Is this a case of guidelines having too wide of a safety margin? Can I eat this stuff without getting sick?

Thanks in advance, and extra points for stories in which you did get sick,
-bender

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a fire side story for 3/20/08

Siz'L — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:40:06 GMT

Hope you all enjoy a blessed abundant spring...
enjoy this Ostara egg i saved for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k54cn1gbIyI

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Abandon dog SOS!

Dangerpussy — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:39:46 GMT

Hello Burners,

This evening as I was arriving home from the dog park there was a dog running around in the street! I lured him back into the park thinking he must have gotten away from his owner. After talking to some people they told me a guy drove up let him out of his car and drove away!

He is a sweet pit mix, he hasn't had much training but is absolutely desperate for people attention. he seems healthy, a bit under weight and was desperate for water but seems much more settled after food and water.

Travis and I got a dog a few months back and can barley manage the time and expense of responsible dog ownership. If it was possible I would keep him but we just cant manage.

If anyone is interested please contact us. I hate to take him to animal control but there may be no other option.

Call us (24/7) if you think you can help this lost little guy find his way.

Kisses, DP

Me (916)752-9011

Travis (530)220-5292

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Poor Man's Chowder

Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:58:40 GMT

x-posted from Playa Cooking. :)

I do this when I'm lazy/tired/poor and realized this would be a good playa/camping option, what I call Poor Man's Manhattan Clam Chowder.
no refrigeration, no spoiling, no prep, 1 pot.

1 can condensed tomato soup
1 can tuna
some dry oregano
some black pepper

pour the soup in the pot. break up the tuna into smaller pieces (you can do this in the can). dump the tuna into the pot. add generous shaking of oregano. add some black pepper, to taste. stir well. heat. eat. :)

Quick and easy and it gives you some protein as well as something warm to eat.

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Handy Dandy salad bowls ( Link to website)

Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:15:23 GMT

The perfect salad bowl for bacon lovers!
http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2008/02/27/bacon-cups/
~Wendell~

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Rocket stoves... want to build one

Briggi — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:26:41 GMT

Rocket Stoves are a great example of appropriate/low technology. Using a handful of sticks, you can get the same heat output as with a log or two from a conventional open fire. The trick is special draft inducing vents and a chimminy to make that blaze burn white hot.
I'm looking for help in designing a good rocket stove... the kind made of on-site Natural Materials like mud, clay, sticks,grass, etc., rather than the metal ones you make at home. Do any experienced oven/stove builders have a good, easy design? Please share the details.
b!

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Random Camping Tips

Snowlover — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:37:57 GMT

if a bear steals all your food, get your revenge by kicking apart his favortie stump and eating all his ants.

A tuba left in a campsite will ensure the sites next to you remain open.

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Building a pig from pig parts!

Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:28:38 GMT

Cool link !
http://warehouse.carlh.com/article_157/
~Wendell~

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sushi ( link to interesting website)

Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:40:17 GMT

http://bobcopeland.com/sushi.html

Enjoy! ~Wendell~

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Cheeseburger in a can?

w8ng4msrgt — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:51:15 GMT

What will they think of next?

http://gizmodo.com/350091/cheeseburger-in-a-can-is-both-the-best-and-worst-thing-ive-ever-seen

And then a bunch of pictures of a guy actually eating one.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&postid=339037869

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Drinks and tents.........

Sprout — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:48:50 GMT

What do you drink while camping?
I'm speaking alcoholicly.
This may be a repeat post, but oh well..........
I like beer, both good and cheap.
And vodka and OJ or veggie juice. Or both. Breakfast and lunch!
Both pack-in and car camping ideas accepted.

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Larry's Pie for One

wimpehiker — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:27:56 GMT

Until I joined this tribe, I didn't know about 12V microwave ovens. Their existence opens up a whole new dimension in car camp cookery. I developed my recipe on the microwave oven in my kitchen. I don't know if a 12V microwave would need a little extra cooking time.

The crust:
1/3 cup unbleached white flour (unsifted)
1 oz. salted real butter (that's 1/4 of a stick)

Topping:
3 level tablespoons sugar
precooked canned apple slices (or some other fruit)
optional pinch of cinnamon

Let the butter soften at room temperature. (Or you can melt it in the microwave, 45 seconds, full blast.)

Mix the butter and flour in a ceramic or glass cereal bowl, and press the pie dough into an even layer in the bottom of the bowl.

Microwave it for one minute, at full blast.

Put the sugar on top of your freshly cooked pie crust.

Then put the apple slices on top of the sugar. Voila!

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Favorite fresh Veg recipes

Peter — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:48:35 GMT

I Know that a majority of you all can offer some "seasoned" advice on super tasting super-foods for the Trail.. your favorite or most efficient Veggie creations are what I want!

Enlighten us with your taste.

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Motorcycle Camping

jay9 — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:06:36 GMT

Richards "Bicycle Camping" thread gave me an idea...

I wonder how many people here ride motorcycles and live in CA. Anyone up for a road trip/camping trip?

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Organic shelf milk

Dok_Atomik — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:07:52 GMT

A newer product, this "shelf milk" — an organic product that does not require refrigeration for storage — is available locally and over a broad range of retail grocers.

http://www.organicvalley.coop/products_recipes/product_detail.html?id=205&cat=1&sub=88

check out the FAQ.

Poached from another tribe, the folks at Backcountry Gourmet.

Shelf milk has been around for a long time (thanks to irradiated pasteurization), but it continues to get better.

Now, if only we had a source for "shelf" ice cream (with a special tab that — once pulled — creates a freezer-fresh product).

*grin*

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i need a recommendation for a campsite in california

jim — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:40:16 GMT

i want total seclusion. no other people anywhere near. a river or creek and the ability to have a campfire... meditation...being one with nature...sounds perfect.

no need for facilities. im a man. i want to tuff it out. =)

please email me directly.

s

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Camp in Tuva

Alexander — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:01:07 GMT

Dear Friends

Thank you for your interest to our music.

Last summer we held a throat singing camp in Tuva.

We had 14 students from around the world - 8 of them were from the US, 2 from Australia
2 from Denmark, 1 from France, 1 from England.
After arriving in Tuva, the students spent 1 week in Kyzyl, the capital city.
They were able to see many tourist attractions, see a Tuvan shaman,
and attend the Naadym - National Harvest Celebration.

The students then went on to spend 1 week in the deep taiga, with members of the Tuvan throat singing group Chirgilchin,
learning various styles of throat singing, traditional Tuvan instruments, as well as the Tuvan language.

This summer, we are trying to get 2 groups to go to Tuva again, in either June or July.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Please check our photos made by Russell Roesner - our student.
www.flickr.com/photos/ber...2427847575/

Thank you
Alexander

www.purenaturemusic.com

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How to eat Organic on $7.00 a day...

anhareus — Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:39:19 GMT

I posted this on the freegan tribe. I think that this might prove useful to some... informative to others.

Here's the link : )

http://health.msn.com/dietfitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100153740&page=1

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We’ve all heard the joke: Whole Foods, whole paycheck. The humor seems exaggerated, until you shop there or at some other natural foods market. Before you know it you’ve spent $70 or more when all you were after was Fair Trade coffee, a fresh baguette and a few excellent cheeses.
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Sound familiar? One man recently admitted it costs him $800 a month to purchase his groceries from Whole Foods, and he’s only buying for himself, his girlfriend and an average-sized dog that he feeds like a human. That’s $200 a week—between $28 and $29 a day for a man, a woman and one satisfied pet. Who can afford that?
Well, plenty of people are trying to. According to recent statistics from The Hartman Group, a Bellevue, Wash.-based market research firm, 73 percent of the U.S. population consumes organic food and beverages at least some of the time. What’s more, the Hartman research shows that it’s not just the stereotypical highly-educated, high-income, Caucasian female who buys organic. African Americans, Asian Americans and Latino Americans are a fast-growing segment of organic consumers, according to Blaine Becker, the firm’s director of marketing and communications.
In fact, almost as many households with an annual income of less than $50,000 are buying organic foods, as are households with incomes higher than $50,000. This means that people who earn less are still choosing more expensive organic products.
But that leaves a fundamental problem: How can you eat healthy without going broke?
To find out, MSN Health & Fitness sought help from nutritionist Lynn Smith, a registered dietitian and owner of Source Nutrition services in Boulder, Colo. Our mission: To see if a single person can eat a healthy and predominantly organic foods diet on $7 a day. That’s $50 a week, $200 a month.
When I met Smith at a Whole Foods store, she immediately brought me down to earth with a sobering assessment: “This means you have $2 for breakfast, $2 for lunch, $2 for dinner, and $1 for a snack.” With that reality check, we hit the aisles.
Work the Healthy Combinations
Before pricing produce, Smith outlines several healthy combinations of food that help when on a tight budget.
“The first is balance,” she says. “About a quarter of your plate should be protein, one-third veggies, and a quarter to a third starchy carbs.” For the rest, fill it out with any of the three, along with a smaller amount of healthy fats.
Combining certain foods helps complete a meal, says Smith. One mainstay combination for this Healthy Eating on $7 a Day mission is beans and a grain.
“Beans have protein and good, complex, starchy carbs,” says Smith. “Rice alone is not going to last you as long as it will when paired with beans.”
The next combination is a grain and vegetables, topped off with a plant-based protein like almonds or tofu. The third meal combination is a salad with adequate protein and fat, and some type of carbohydrate.
“In this case you would use nuts or eggs on the salad, and then on the side you would either have whole grain bread, or a cup of bean soup, or hummus.”
Smith’s fifth combination for healthy eating—pairing vegetables with fish or meat—is out, at least on a regular budgetary basis, for the $7-a-day shopper. Most meats and seafood are too expensive. Which brings us back to the produce aisle.
“I eat dairy and fish once a week, meat about twice a week,” Smith says. “But clearly, on $7 a day it’s got to be much more of a plant-based diet because if we go look at the prices in the meat department and the fish department, even in smaller portions, a lot of those foods are pretty high dollar.”
Smith suggests vegetables and rice as a breakfast choice. “They are balancing, they make your brain work better, they alkalize your system, they help with stress,” she says. “And they have a natural sweetness.”
Smith starts with vitamin- and mineral-packed organic broccoli at $2.99 per pound, or approximately 60 cents a serving.
“You don’t need a whole pound of broccoli,” she says, “and you can use the stem. A lot of people throw the stem away. Sometimes it is too fibrous, but a lot of the nutrition is in the stem.”
Next, she eyes the price of organic cabbage, at $1.49 per pound. “That’s half the price of broccoli,” she says, and it gets the nod. So do carrots, at 99 cents per pound. Nutrient-dense chard, spinach and kale, all are organic and more expensive at $2.49 per pound, but they’re economical because a little goes a long way.
A head of red-leaf lettuce is $2.49, or approximately 62 cents per serving. “Cabbage greens, carrots, chards—those are all peasant foods,” says Smith. We move on to root vegetables.
When asked about choosing between leafy greens and root veggies, Smith mentions turnips, rutabagas, potatoes, yams and winter squash as starches. “I wouldn’t compare these to broccoli. I would compare them to starches,” she says. “The green vegetables are going to have more antioxidants. The root vegetables are under the ground. They are going to have different vitamins and minerals.” Smith says if you eat potatoes, be sure to eat the nutrient-rich skins.
We turn to organic fruit. Exotic fruits are out.
“Fruit is expensive—even apples—so fruit is a luxury,” Smith says. But we find apples, pre-packaged in plastic bags, at $2.50 for a pound and a half, or 25 cents each, and pears for about the same price. Bananas are a good choice too. Smith suggests garlic, onions and ginger for flavoring meals and nixes these organic choices: Avocados ($2 each); pre-mixed salads ($5.99 per pound); peppers ($3.99 per pound) tomatoes ($1 for one). Smith suggests buying organic canned tomato sauce instead, at $1.69 for 14 ounces. Oranges, at $3 a pound, also get the slip.
Seafood, Dairy and Meats
We eye the prices as we breeze by the seafood section toward dairy. Wild salmon is $18 per pound; tilapia, $7.99. Confirmed: Fish is out, unless you buy canned sardines. “Sardines are a pretty cheap way to get omega 3s,” says Smith, of the essential fatty acids needed in your diet. They’re also high in calcium. Later on the opposite side of the store we find a tin for $1.79. That’s 89-cent for two servings.
In dairy we discover that organic milk costs 50 cents per cup, but flavored milk that is packaged in single servings, sweetened and marketed to children costs $1.29 per cup. We find plain organic yogurt less expensive than sweetened yogurt, and after much searching, find an 8-ounce package of mild cheddar cheese for $2.99, or approximately 37-to-50 cents per serving. As we leave, we price tofu at $1.90 for 19 ounces, or 47 cents per serving. “I wouldn’t live on tofu, but you can have one to two meals of it a week,” says Smith.
We move on to meats, where we find three organic items within our price range:
• Small fryers are on sale for $1.59 per pound. Smith points out you’re paying for the bone, but at least you can boil it for soup to stretch it out. She suggests buying several and freezing some of them for later, since this is a good price.
• Ground turkey thigh is a deal at $2.99 per pound and would be great use in a chili.
• And beef bottom roast at $1 for 4 ounces also could be used in a soup—the only way meat is going to be worth the cost in this budget.
“On this diet, you don’t need to worry about overeating carbs because you are not going to be able to afford to,” says Smith. “You could get yourself into trouble if you don’t put protein with your meal. The balance here is important. What is going to be tricky is getting adequate protein because the protein sources are the most expensive, but that’s where you are going to get your minerals.”
This reminds Smith to suggest adding seaweed to your meals a couple of times a week to improve your mineral intake. She likes dulse and kelp, and while they’re expensive (dulse, for example, is $4.99 per bag) a sprinkle of seaweed over a stir-fry could amount to only 31 cents.
The All-Important Bulk Aisle
Finally we hit the bulk aisle, the backbone of affordable food shopping. Smith hones in on inexpensive organic almonds and cashews at an unheard of low price, $3.99 per pound. She also checks out the flax, sesame and sunflower seeds. Moderation is the key to eating nuts affordably, she says. “You have to find them for a good price and use them discriminately. Don’t just eat the bag and snack away unconsciously. Say, ‘This meal I need two tablespoons of nuts to help round it out.’”
We price out bulk organic brown rice ($1.39 per pound), whole wheat pasta ($1.99 per pound), oats (89 cents per pound) and cornmeal (59 cents per pound). We also find many dried beans that translate to 30 cents per cup once cooked, and lentils at 22 cents per cup. After some searching, we find whole grain or multi-grain bread that costs 20 cents per slice. Brown rice and pasta are about the same if you buy bulk versus prepackaged, but bulk oatmeal and cornmeal are much cheaper.
Splurge Suggestions
If you still have your eye on cost but can afford to shop at a rate higher than $7 a day, Smith suggests increasing the variety of fruits and vegetables you buy, adding more meat and fish to your diet and taking a multi-vitamin and fish oil supplement.
“I would expand into more green veggies, have some kind of meat or fish or cheese once a week, in a defined portion,” she says, “and take ground flaxseed for a plant-based source of omega 3s.”
Tip for Healthy Family Eating on a Budget
If you’re spending more to feed a family of four, Smith suggests stretching out the protein by making soups, stews and chili. “Get into the rhythm of making one-pot meals,” she says.
The Budget-Breakers: Foods to Avoid
Which foods should you avoid no matter how much you want to spend? Crackers, chips, sweetened drinks, convenience bars and juice all cost a lot but are nutritional black holes, says Smith. Crackers, for example, price out at $1 per ounce.
“This is a very expensive way to eat,” says Smith, as we walk to toward the store exit. Our exhaustive shopping primer is over, and I offer to buy her a thank-you bag of cashews. I bag them and buy them; as an afterthought, I look at my receipt. I spent $8.53 on a bag for her and a bag for me. It’s not my whole paycheck, but as we walk out of the store, I realize I’ve just surpassed my $7 for the day.
CONTINUED: Affordable options for every meal of the week

Detailing the Dollars: Eating Healthy and Organic on $7 a Day
Day 1:
Breakfast: Tofu (47 cents), veggies ($1), brown rice (20 cents)
Lunch: Eggs (39 cents) and potatoes (30 cents)
Snack: Two dates (60 cents), 12 almonds (22 cents)
Dinner: Fryer chicken ($1), veggies ($1), brown rice (20 cents)
Day 2:
Breakfast: Oatmeal (20 cents), 12 nuts (22 cents), raisins (22 cents), milk (50 cents), protein powder (20 cents)
Lunch: eggs (39 cents) and veggies ($1)
Snack: One organic apple (25 cents), dollop of organic peanut butter (14 cents)
Dinner: Turkey chili ($1), lentils (22 cents), veggies ($1), stock from fryer chicken (50 cents), whole wheat berries (5 cents)
Day 3:
Breakfast: Cornmeal (14 cents), seeds ($1), nuts (22 cents), molasses (10 cents)
Lunch: Chili from last night
Snack: Veggies ($1), homemade hummus (90 cents)
Dinner: Salad (62 cents) with chicken from fryer ($1), veggies ($1), dressing from apple cider vinegar and olive oil ($1)
Day 4:
Breakfast: One egg (39 cents), whole grain toast (20 cents), piece of fruit (25 cents)
Lunch: Beans (30 cents), rice (20 cents), veggies ($1)
Snack: Carrots,($50) cheese piece (50 cents)
Dinner: Half can sardines (89 cents), pasta (49 cents), tomato sauce (16 cents)
Day 5:
Breakfast: Veggies (90 cents), brown rice (20 cents), sliced cashews (22 cents), sprinkle of cheese (50 cents)
Lunch: Hummus (90 cents), whole wheat bread (20 cents), lettuce leaf (30 cents)
Snack: Banana (50 cents) and peanut butter (14 cents)
Dinner: Whole wheat pasta (49 cents), veggies ($1), beans (30 cents), nuts (22 cents), brewer’s yeast (20 cents)
Day 6:
Breakfast: Brown rice (20 cents), red beans (30 cents), miso (15 cents), greens ($1)
Lunch: Lettuce and veggies ($1), second half of sardine can (89 cents)
Snack: Sliced pears and apples (50 cents), cheese (50 cents)
Dinner: Brown rice (20 cents), veggies ($1), tofu (47 cents), sesame seeds (50 cents)
Day 7:
Breakfast: Plain yogurt (60 cents), sliced apple (25 cents), coconut, sunflower seeds or ground flax seeds ($1)
Lunch: Kale ($1), chard, ($1) rice (20 cents), onions (5 cents)
Snack: Roasted yam (30 cents) with 12 cashews (22 cents)
Dinner: Soup from chicken stock ($1), lentils (22 cents) veggies ($1), grains (20 cents), one slice whole wheat bread (20 cents)
Healthy Investment on Eating for Less
If you’re committed to eating on $7 a days, you may want to invest in some assistance:
• Rice cooker, as low as $27 on www.veryasia.com
• Wok, between $25 and $40 on www.amazon.com
• Glass jars for bulk items, $23 for 36 8-ounce “ball” canning jars at www.freundcontainer.com
• Extra freezer, if you get serious, $234 for a chest freezer that will hold 10 pounds of frozen food, www.appliancesworld.com

Safeway versus Whole Foods
You might not have a Whole Foods or comparable natural grocery near you. Here is a side-by-side comparison for many of the items covered in this Eating Healthy and Organic on $7 a Day story:
Item Safeway Whole Foods
Organic brown rice $1.29 per pound $1.39-$1.49 per pound
Organic bulk beans (lentils) $1.79 per pound $1.39 per pound
Organic tofu $1.99 for 19 ounces $1.90 for 19 ounces
Organic almonds $9.99 per pound $3.99 per pound
Organic cashews $ 7.19 per pound $3.99 per pound
Organic broccoli $1.50 per pound $2.99 per pound
Bulk organic oats $1.19 per pound 89 cents per pound
Bulk organic corn meal 69 cents per pound 59 cents per pound
Organic apples $1.40 per pound, bagged $1.67 per pound, bagged
Organic peanut butter $2.99 for 18 ounces $2.99 for 18 ounces

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Best Prices Storable Foods

svnisus — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:43:30 GMT

Has anyone ever used any of the products found on www.internet-grocer.net ?
I am thinking about the canned meats, butter and cheese in particular.
They have a 8 case sample box with one each of the meats, one butter and two cheeses for about $45 including shipping.
What you do all think?

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Eggs & Dry Ice

svnisus — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:36:59 GMT

Do eggs have to be refrigerated? If I can buy some that have never been kept cold--will they last if I store them some place out of the sunlight?

Also, info and opinions on Dry Ice please. Does it work? Do you like using it?

I am sailing for about 10-12 days on a boat with no refrigeration and don't want to eat canned foods the whole time.

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Burning Man campfire tales

Dok_Atomik — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:31:29 GMT

I dunno about the "aftermath,' but I sure need a place to tell some of the "during" tales.

One tale from the '07 Burning Man -- for sure -- is that of the Crude Awakening exhibit, and of its climax shortly after the (second) burning of the man.

From the text on the Burning Man website:

"Nine figurative steel sculptures, weighing 7 tons each and standing 30' tall, embody the faithful. In their various poses of worship from around the world, they bow down and reach forth to the Revered Oil Derrick, that icon of the religion which now stands above all others. The Derrick is a 90' tall wooden tower with stairs all the way to the sky. At any time, 200 people can amass on its upper platform while below, the nine faithful belch their fiery prayers from within and around their bodies. Each figure is bound by a participant-activated fire effect, created by Pyrokinetics. On Friday night at 10 pm, as the air raid siren wails and the battleship smoke generator pours forth its malevolent cloud, the Revered Oil Derrick will light up with a fire display like none before or ever after. A flame gusher will then explode from the center of the tower, creating 2.4 gigawatts of raw power in only one minute. You will bear witness to the largest flame cannon in history and the tower will fall.

At the strike of noon on Saturday, we invite everyone to welcome a new day and to participate in the secret completion of this artistic installation/performance."

The actual performances did not go off exactly as planned. Something about the Friday-before-the-burn sand storm. What we actually witnessed was still spectacular, including burn night's big -- really big -- series of flame effects.

For as long as Yahoo will host it:

http://video.google.com/url?docid=3645669865925243878&esrc=sr10&ev=v&len=151&q=crude%2Bawakening&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMpgFbW7R8-Y&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3645669865925243878%26q%3Dcrude%2Bawakening%26total%3D75%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D9&usg=AL29H20wTMQSqT_tIJSdi44PBJP35aCKfA

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How was your weekend camping trip?

heatherbliss — Tue, 29 May 2007 16:43:53 GMT

Did you have a fun filled weekend of camping?

I went on a girls only camping trip for Memorial weekend, we went to John Day, Oregon and camped along the river. This was my first girls only camping trip and we had such a blast. Women really do know how to setup camp... fire here, tent here, chairs here, kitchen area here.. it's like we're setting up house. Good food, good drinks, good conversation!

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Camping at Malaekahana

KPSeth — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:49:11 GMT

Points if you can say the name! Definitely camping this weekend, thinking of cooking up bacon treats. Any favorite recipes?

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Burning Man - the ultimate campfire?

Dok_Atomik — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:52:27 GMT

Hello campers!

Burning Man has — once again — come and gone.

For some of us, it brought (choose one or more):

an epiphany
a conspiracy (or several)
dust (okay, most of us would include this among our selections!)
an “extra” burn for our ticket purchase price
a temporary reprieve from cell phones, video games, the office, and/or [insert name here], the boss-, coworker-, subordinate-, neighbor-, acquaintance- or whatever-from-hell
an opportunity to model another year’s playa fashions
sharing love and community (or something else) among new/old campmates
good/bad/indifferent music opportunities
a really cool/f*cked up/indifferent experience
a suicide
a buncha chores followed by another exodus
a break from the silly chatter among “burners” (for those of you who didn’t go)

Such as it may have been, the Burn brought us one more thing — the opportunity to interact with what may well have been our ideal mix of campfire folk.

Among 40,000-plus ravers/hippies/freaks/straights/gays/Christians/Muslims/Pagans/Pastafarians/Rotarians/whatever, we got together in the desert. For a weekend, week, or more — as folks have been doing for a lot more time than there has been a Baker Beach — we left much-more-hospitable environs to gather in a hot/sweaty/dusty/potentially-far-worse place.

(It could have rained. Really rained. Think mud. Think of having to strike camp in that mud. Think of an exodus through that mud.)

And we got along — well — in the desert, both in terms of coping with the challenges provided by the environment and in dealing with the 40,000-plus folks who chose to do it with us.

If you find yourself interacting with someone you don’t particularly like at a Burn, gift them with a smile. And walk away.

93% of the time, you’ll be happier with the next person you’ll meet. Really.

Statistics are bullsh*t. 93% of the statistics about Burning Man are especially bullsh*t. As a population to examine for those statistics in terms of its demographics or epidemiology, well, 40,000-or-so of us just isn’t enough to produce meaningful results. (Sorry. Applying population values that can be fractional — often much less than ten per 10exp6 population — to 40k-plus burners amounts to epidemiological gobbledygook.)

Is one (or even several) act(s) of arson, death, or violent crime STATISTICALLY significant? Nope. However important the specific acts may have been to you (by their proximity to you, by their effect on you, or your sensitivity to acts like them), are these effects able to be analyzed as an important factor in your demography or epidemiology? Nope.

Are these acts great fodder for the rumor mill while you are at Black Rock City? Yep. Are they also grist for the mill that is Tribe and other message boards? You betcha.

How should you feel about acts of arson, death or violent crime that occur at BRC while you were there? Again, this may be affected by your proximity or sensitivity; but ─ when placed in the same perspective as you might have when examined within the news of any other city of 40k-plus people — we may feel lucky (and pleased) that there are not MORE events of that sort.

And we need to remember that it may not all be luck. Whatever else you may say or feel, you must respect the Burning Man organization for its continued growth as a leader among the community of world-class arts festival promoters. They give great city.

Forget the art (if you can, for a moment).

Think only of the portion of the promoter’s responsibilities that is to provide a temporary infrastructure to support the health, safety, and social welfare of a buncha folks they’ve sold tickets to for some week-long outdoor event. Throw in some difficulty multipliers for the remote location, if you like.

Now, let’s build the city.

Making this easy (still forgetting any art), let’s provide for basic services for our buncha ticketholders. Let’s provide some toilets, ice, and a little electricity. Err, and some dust control. Let’s throw in some paid staff (only a few of these), some contractors (there are always some contractors), and a bunch of volunteers (His Noodliness LOVES volunteers almost as much as pirates).

Let’s provide for the selection and (sometimes, as necessary) training of the staff members, contractors, and volunteers.

Let’s also provide for appropriate relations with outside agencies ─ the ones we really can’t do without. Federal, State, and local agencies important to the use of the land on which the event will be located. Law enforcement agencies. Fire, rescue, and ambulance services. Let’s also develop those relationships as necessary to provide for every reasonably-anticipatable need of these agencies and services by our ticket holders.

Let’s ensure that every other reasonable need our ticket holders may have is met (as it might be by any other city of similar size), and add a bit for administrative overhead.

Where we can, we will provide services with volunteers. When we must (or common sense and practical considerations dictate), we will contract services or help existing agencies cope with increases in their operating budgets to assist in providing services to our ticket holders.

Necessary services. Because our “art event” needs ‘em. Really. Whether driven by a corporate desire to “do the right thing,” or compliance with Federal, State or local code of law ─ we need to provide them.

I could go into greater detail, but I have already touched on a little of the “hidden” planning and work involved to provide an event like Burning Man.

More, I suspect, than some of you “armchair promoters” might provide for while planning your “ultimate art event.” Hint: If your first (and best) efforts are in planning art projects, DJs, and sound systems ─ I don’t wanna go to your event. Not unless you are also providing for my health, safety and non-art-related well being. Hint #2: Use Burning Man as your model for infrastructure.

Because, y’see, I KNOW that Burning Man’s success is not due to luck.

I may not always agree with some of its execution of minutiae by some minor agents, but I remain a fan of Burning Man ─ the event and the organization.

We didn’t go because of the desert. Black Rock City is sited in a spot that can be truly nasty. (Sorry.)

We went to Burning Man. Many of us will go back.

Now, please go back to remembering the art. How about those folks from the derrick thingy?

[Sorry I’ve been gone so long. Family stuff. Life’s little administrative details. Y’know. Blessed be the Flying Spaghetti Monster.]

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Burning Man Aftermath

Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:40:40 GMT

Can we get some rear view mirror reflections and stories, please, now that you who attended have returned to everyday life?

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GEAR REPORT Zodi Extreme Shower

Dok_Atomik — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:05:26 GMT

Before I say anything else about my new shower, let me affirm one thing about camping after the Labor Day holiday. For the casual camper, the camping season has ended. Many popular spots of just a couple of weeks ago are already dipping into the temps just above freezing. Really. Somewhere. And I was there to post my reactions to a new (to me) product, and a new (for this year) reminder that the colder weather is here for many campers.

A new purchase (delivered by the UPS brownshirts just before my departure for Burning Man) is the Zodi Extreme Shower. I took it along to Burning Man, but was not sure if it would be of any use because of grey water management issues. I decided on the purchase at the last moment, and was traveling with the shower stuff but without any planning for grey water management.

My responsibility for grey water was an important consideration, and was provided for by a neighboring camp (who were kind enough to have built their own shower ─ and adequate grey water collection ─ right behind my tent). With a period of waiting to provide for adequate imbibing of alcohol and a night’s rest to allow consideration of my request, I was granted permission to use their shower pond with my own Zodi Extreme.

Bless those folks for providing grey water management for me at Burning Man, and bless those Zodi folk.

The Zodi Extreme Shower was the one I wanted ─ it appeared to be something I would create myself given adequate fabrication capability. Picture one of those old water fire extinguishers, crafted in stainless steel, with a nice new pump (also stainless) and a four-foot-or-so hose with shower head. Oh, and a heater.

The Zodi also includes a 10,000 BTU stove that provides for heating your shower to 100 degrees F in about five minutes, and can double as a cook stove. A simple contact thermometer strip makes heating to your desired temperature very easy.

Mmm. Warm showers at Burning Man. Or anywhere. Without having to camp in my Airstream.

Priceless.

If your camping comfort is not increased significantly by the ability to provide a warm shower whenever you want, then you are ignoring one of life’s simple pleasures (or may be too dependent on an RV or campground showers).

RVs have their own special issues for camping, and campground showers (almost everywhere I have been over 35 or so years experience camping over North America) are often sadly lacking (and ─ almost as often ─ COLD).

The Zodi Extreme Shower may be the best choice for taking showers while minimizing grey water generation. I was easily able to take a whole-body shower with much less than two gallons of water, and may ─ with practice ─ be able to get by with just one gallon of water.

Zodi also has models with 6- or 12-volt battery packs, four-gallon reservoirs (or ─ with attachment to a water hose ─ unlimited capacity), and higher-capacity systems that can handle as many as three showers at once.

So ─ with a Zodi shower system, a grey water management system appropriate to your use, and an (optional) privacy cabana/shower enclosure ─ hot showers can be yours.

http://www.zodi.com/web-content/index.html

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Bjurts survive BM07

verbamour — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:10:52 GMT

Hi everybody,

I had five bjurts on the playa this year, and they all stood up mightily! The weakest part was the covering. There were gaps which let dust in, but it was not too bad. In fact, we had a Shelter Systems dome in camp that was better sealed, but hotter, and during the whiteouts we all stayed in the bjurt.

All in all, a good outing.

I updated my web site http://bjurt.com to include BM07 information and to get my blog going. I hope you can stop by.

Cheers,
-bender

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GEAR REPORT: Thetford Porta Potti 465

Dok_Atomik — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:41:21 GMT

Here's another of my post-burn equipment reports. This time, I'm reviewing my use of a camping necessity -- the toilet.

I had no idea where the BM "VIP cabanas" might be located in relation to my camp, but I did know that I wanted it to be close. I was determined to not (again) be forced to "let fly" on the playa, and I was prepared with two options -- a new Thetford unit, and a male urinal doohickey. The male urinal was less useful than I might have thought (but far better than several campmates choice to pee in empty one-gallon water bottles), but the Thetford unit was put to a real test.

After eleven days of use at Burning Man, the Thetford was just beginning to register on the level gage (after registering only in the green area, the red band was just beginning to show when I loaded up the unit for exodus).

The convenience of having my toilet in my tent rather than several hundred yards away was awsome. No odors, no spills, no fuss. Capacity would have been a factor, though, for use by two persons over my extended stay. I would guess that capacity would not be an issue -- even by two adults -- for ten days.

The Thetford 465. High marks.

http://www.thetford.com/Home/Products/PortableToiletsHome/PortaPotti465/tabid/166/Default.aspx

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Know about the Bjurt?

Dok_Atomik — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:33:34 GMT

Have you seen these thingys?

An alternative to tents, RVs, or crashing next to the burn barrel.

http://www.bendersbjurts.com/

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Sleeping at noisy events

Hoodoo — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:59:42 GMT

Does anyone have tips for sleeping at noisy events (such at Burning Man)? I have some ideas:

Camp at Hushville.

Earplugs
I use them but they aren't enough, noise still keeps me up. I've tried expensive 'musician'
earplugs too. I'm wondering if you could find noise canceling headphones that were small
and comfortable enough to wear during sleep.

Benadryl
I haven't tried it yet. Would it be a bad mix with other substances?

Fan
or other whitenoise generator in your tent, to mask the thumpa-thumpa.

Sleep during the day,
when many people sleep and its a little quieter. That works if you have a cool place to sleep.
But there are often other things you may want to do during the day.

Party so hard that you're exhausted and nothing can keep you awake.

Any other tips?

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Equipment storage??

AlexWebster — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:43:12 GMT

Hi guys. We have a bit of a conundrum. We live in NYC, but are spending the week before the burn constructing a geodesic dome in California, which we will then take with us to BRC. The problem is, what the heck to do with it afterwards?? Seems dumb to ship it back to NYC with us, and then ship it out again next year. We could just leave it in Cali in storage somewhere, but paying for an entire storage unit all year doesn't make sense moneywise. Ideally, someone would store it for us in their home or their storage unit, for either love or money, but whom?

Anybody got any ideas? What do you do with all the damn GEAR???

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GEAR REPORT: Camelbak Hellion Skullcandy

Rotwang — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:01:15 GMT

A new item from Camelbak, the Hellion Skullcandy falls into the "not your father's hydration pack" kinda category.

From Amazon.com's product description:

CamelBak teamed up with Skullcandy to give you the Hellion 100oz Hydration Pack. With 60mm speakers in the upper straps and an easy-control soft switch panel in the middle of the strap, you won't miss a beat as you rock out to your favorite tunes. Stay cool as you hike the terrain park or cruise the backcountry with the Hellion Hydration Pack's air-directing back panels, and keep comfortable under heavy loads with the padded waist-belt. CamelBak's internal pocket protects your goggles or sunglasses, and quick-release tool holders provide easy access to your ice-axe or shovel on more hardcore adventures. Skullcandy's amplifier runs on AA batteries, and is iPod compatible. Hook your phone into the Hellion's LINK technology and stay connected. If you have a Razor or Crazor phone, you'll need to grab a special part from Skullcandy or CamelBak to get your phone dialed-in.

Product Features
Material: Nylon
Pack Volume: 1404cu in
Reservoir Volume: 100oz (3L)
Pockets: 1 Main, 1 belt
Waist Belt: Yes
Compression Straps: Yes
Bite Valve: Locking
Recommended Use: Rocking out to your music on the slopes, in the backcountry, in the park
Weight: 3lb 5oz
Warranty: 2 Years, lifetime warranty on reservoir

End quote.

Anyway, this is a preliminary report — and I will not be able to put the Camelbak through all of its paces until Burning Man. But don't think that I haven't already tried the electronic goodies! I immediately hooked up my iPod Video and cell phone, padded the backpack volume with a jacket and a set of scrubs, and proceeded to "rock out."

I was very impressed with the pack's internal speakers, and in the convenience of the controls.

This first cooperative effort with the Skullcandy folks is actually from the winter line of Camelbaks, and has the insulated drinking tibe and heavier suspension you would expect from such a unit. Many suspension features are geared toward the ski/snowboard set.

We'll see.

I promise to report, as more information becomes available.

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Flame effects at Burning Man — a guide

Rotwang — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:34:18 GMT

Are there any particular flame effects — like, perhaps, the Crude Awakening Project — that you don't wanna miss?

Somebody, somewhere missed the burning of the waffle last year. What do you wanna be front-and-center for, this year?

The Man? Roger Ramjet's BBQ?

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Bicycle camping in the Mojave

Richard — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:18:07 GMT

I've done some backpacking in the Mojave, but with the new rack on my mountain bike I'm now looking to extend my range and considering a bicycle camping trip next.

Anyone here interested in joining such a wacky adventure?

I'm thinking just three days/two nights for starters, to keep water weight down to something manageable. I have a few routes in mind, but am open to suggestions.

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Another newbie!

Linda — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:18:58 GMT

I'm new and ready for some campfire bacon and eggs!
(followed by some s'mores, too, Amina!)

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Camping etiquette

Dok_Atomik — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:39:42 GMT

What do you feel are the standards for acceptable behavior among campers?

Please remember to be gentle — especially with the burners who may not otherwise camp.

*grin*

Johnny

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Netti Pot - ever use one?

David — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:44:47 GMT

I use a netti pot last year at the burn and it made my nose happy. That way I could smell all the great food.

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Coffee...

r0ssyPenguin — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:32:28 GMT

Anyone here ever try this stuff:
https://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39262154&memberId=12500226&storeId=226&catalogId=40000000226&langId=-1

Java Juice Liquid Coffee Extract?

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DIY 'tasty bites"?

Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:57:49 GMT

Has anyone here ever used a vacuum sealer to make their own tasty bite type sealed meals....and kept them shelf stable? does this work? i am far to lazy to deal with a cooler or a stove.

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OMG — chocolate AND bacon

Rotwang — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:40:45 GMT

I really do try to be good. I never post plugs in other tribes, and don't poach topics (usually).

But c'mon —

http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/product/bacon_exotic_candy_bar/exotic_candy_bars

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Backpacking FOOD - Need Help

Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:57:47 GMT

I'm backpacking for the first time in a couple of weeks. I camp frequently & cook food that I would serve @ home - I enjoy going all-out. I realize that I won't have that luxury with just a backpack - no ice - no fancy stove - I need to pack lightly. We will be bringing a tiny little stove and a pan. What are some easy, light, near-fabulous food items I can bring/prepare? What's the best way to do coffee? Instant espresso? I'd really like maximize our enjoyment the simplicity with the best possible backpacking gourmet - I'd love to hear what's worked for you....thanks!

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Who's going to Burning Man '07?

Dok_Atomik — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:28:53 GMT

I try really hard to avoid becoming Burn-centric, but it's time to ask — who is planning their Burn camping experience now?

Are you going? Do you have special plans to enhance your experience? Are you planning some special contribution to the cooking? Got any special tricks for your camp?

It's bad enough that our Cafe front is so ethno-centric (if you judge by the main picture on the Campfire Cafe). Sorry, but it does show up so very well on listings of your tribes.

I like the bright blue thingy.

And the campfire. And the hot dog (or is that a pudgie pie?).

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Looking for a camp and/or campmates?

Dok_Atomik — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:02:20 GMT

Hello campers!

This thread is a way to find a festival camp recruiting new members.

Got a camp, and recruiting new campmates?

Looking for a camp among your Campfire Cafe buddies?

Post here.

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