How do you feel about bringing more babies into this world as it is now?
In terms of overpopulation ( given the extent of our relative disproportionate effects on the world, enviornment, living space for other creatures, etc.. ), your own desires & "readiness" to be a grounded, loving & clear nurturer for a young being and the worlds overall nature at this time?

For myself, I am childless by choice. Partly connected to a deep rooted feeling that there are simply too many homosapiens given how much more our actions effect and intrude into the life and habitats of other beings.
Partly due to a feeling of preferring or needing more freedom to focus on learning & giving in ways which would be cramped by supporting children.

If everyone were to stop having children that would create its own challenges to humans of course. There is certainly plenty of beauty, love, kindness and realized and potential goodness among people also. Contributing to this ourselves and through healthy, loving, nurturing upbringing of other souls into their own independence is helpful to the overall reality too it seems.

There are some people I have heard about who are hoping and being voices for voluntary human extinction through complete cessation of human reproduction, as well. Wonder how that would happen? If all the people alive in the world could cohesively choose to agree on that, imagine what else we could all agree on and bring to reality!? What a potentially garden of eden of sorts. Or whatever bliss on earth could be defined as to each person.
posted by:
Aaron
SF Bay Area
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    Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:17 PM
    I would love to have children someday. And the funny thing is, the overpopulation issue isn't really the thing that's bothering me so much.. but what's really making me have second thoughts about bringing children into the world is that the world just seems so crazy lately. I mean with the global warming, and the crazy weather and more natural disasters happening all over the earth, and even all the crime and wars that seem to be getting worse and worse, it seems like everything is just so out of control lately. And even all the talk lately about recessions and stock market crashes, etc. makes me wonder what this earth is going to be like in a couple decades. It's actually pretty scary to me.
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      Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:28 AM
      The earth is not as fragile and weak an entity as many think. It will regulate itself, one way or another.

      I feel an instinctive desire to have a large family. If I could I'd have 8-12 kids. However, I have second thoughts about bringing children into this modern world of insanity and moral anarchy. I don't really see much of a purpose to my life without a family however. There's only so many shallow frivolous other things one can do with their lives.
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        Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:30 AM
        also, I don't see how mass human extinction would be a "garden of eden". Eden implies something positive. That anti-life stance is nihilistic destruction, at least thats how I see it.
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    Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:05 AM
    NO MORE BABIES

    the planet is over-stocked ......... to the gills .........

    i get ill when i see urban women with 5 young children hobbling up the street and in the local grocery store.....
    it's a sad tragic shame
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    Fri, March 28, 2008 - 10:32 AM
    No kiddo's thank you.

    Theres enough humans as it is, and so many unwanted children that are in need of loving homes. I think that the overpopulation of humans depletes our natural resources faster than it can replenish them. Plus, theres too many mouths to feed so thats why poverty and hunger still reign. Same with AIDS and HIV. Besides, our kids would wonder what the hell we were thinking when we brought them into this world when its pretty obvious that its slowly falling apart.

    I say everyone should just stop having sex, it'd solve most of our problems. But thats not possible =P
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    Fri, March 28, 2008 - 3:45 PM
    I have a daughter and she is priceless to me. Her Mom basically decided that it was time for her to have a baby, we were married together at the time and I just went along with it. I didn't have any idea that the baby would wreck my life in the most wonderful way possible. But the moment after she popped and the doctor put that baby into my arms is a moment I will never ever forget in my life. It was like a combination of all the greatest moments of my life combined, my first kiss, the first time I got laid, graduating college, landing my first job, buying my first house, etc...

    My daughter is 10 now and she is smart and funny and very beautiful. She's coming to me with her ideas and hopes and dreams. She gives me faith in the youngsters of today. She fills my life with love and laughter and many amazing times. I never thought I would make a good Dad, but I've found that it's one of the roles in life that gives me complete satisfaction.

    I have one person on this planet who will love me no matter what happens.
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    Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:44 PM
    i think it would depend on an individual basis...

    i have siblings that had children at a very young age and to be honest, that traumatized me a bit and made me realize i didn't want to have any kids because of what happens when you have kids unprepared but it was also strange at the beginning to have nieces and nephwes at the age of ten...

    now that i'm older, i'm not completely discounting it but if i was to have children, i would adopt..
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    Sat, March 29, 2008 - 8:38 AM
    And god said: "More fruit already! Enough is enough!"

    As far as I know I have no children out there. (long story). I have mixed feelings about bringing a child into the world. We have too many people as it is. Way too many people. However on the flip side, if parents would limit their children to one or two it wouldn't be so bad. But no, we still have people having huge families. Cause you know, the more kids you have the more money the IRS gives you once a year. Before you flame me, I know that not every large family is that way. Some don't believe in birth control. And some just want a large family for their own reasons.

    I know this sounds extreme, but I think everyone should be neutered after two children.

    As for all the other crap going on in the world; i.e. war, natural disasters, crime; I think children are the hope of the future. None of those things will be solved if everyone stops having kids. We'll just end up a dead species and the Earth will clean up our mess in a few thousand years or more.
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      Sat, March 29, 2008 - 12:12 PM
      the smart people need to breed. being a mom has been the greatest gift and most fulfilling thing i have ever done in my life. be a part of evolution.
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        Sat, March 29, 2008 - 12:14 PM
        you just dont know the strength and power of love until you become a parent. you love your child more than anything you have ever loved. love and joy is good stuff.
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          Sun, March 30, 2008 - 1:16 AM
          You spend your life being the most important person to yourself, then when you have a child, it suddenly changes. Suddenly you aren't the most important thing in your life...
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            Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:37 AM
            I have 4 kids and although parenting is challenging in today's times, I feel I did my best to raise them to my hopes of what I dream for the future. I have to pat my back on some things and others I probably could have done better. As far as the world and it's effect on the descision on being a parent goes...It's all about how you feel about making it a better place and should be an individual descision in accordance to how you feel and when the time is right to do it. On another note...sometime that descison comes from a higher power and you become ready whether it was planned or not. But my point is, if and when it happens...Use the world and it's crisis in your drive as to how you would like the future to be rather than being absorbed by it and letting it effect the upbringing of your children. How we raise our children is the main cause and effect of what is to come.
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              Wed, April 2, 2008 - 6:31 AM
              It's personal, very personal. But over-populate? Oh please, for many of us less than 30 years ago our parents probably had similar conversation and none of us would even be here tapping keyboards if they decided otherwise.

              We all adapt, our grandfather / grandmother generation might think the world today is worse off than it was. While we think it's great, good, fine, or not so bad. Mankind will always adapt, people that know how to live will always have ways to make the most of any given moments.

              Grand scheme of saving the world is absolutely nothing if we don't realize that it begins by saving one person at a time. Whenever someone do something nice you appreciate, go and do something nice for 2 other people and if they appreciate it, tell each one to do it too. Usually when someone do bad to a person, the person gets cranky, nasty and snaps at people. Those people then do the same to other people and it keeps on repeating. We can have a world full of happy people or cranky bastards, power is in your hands.

              Just have a little faith.
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                Wed, April 2, 2008 - 12:17 PM
                Perhaps there is no need to put being kind & empathetic in our ways of relating with the world & people in it, ourselves included, in opposition to also being aware & globally considerate through our choices of not over-breeding. But indeed using our awareness, intelligence & consideration to adapt to the given situation we have created with nearly blind, unbridled breeding and overuse of resources along with the waste we then pour into the atmosphere.?

                There are causes and effects to our actions, even far reaching ones. Perhaps if we only cling to some generic philosophy that everything will be alright somehow, without actually using our awareness to help create such a unified reality in emotion and physicality through our choices then everything will be alright in the end. But for ourselves and others, may also create a lot of unneeded destruction, pollution, pain, and learning the longer and harder way so to speak.
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                  Thu, April 3, 2008 - 6:20 PM
                  I put the question mark in there since, although my feeling at this time tend toward consciously not having children in part for reasons mentioned in my previous post, there is usually or always room for change.
                  And as inspiration ( including my own of course ) for further exploration of all perspectives we are collectively aware of & sharing with each other.
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    Tue, April 15, 2008 - 11:50 PM
    I'm 42 now, female and I have no children. I absolutely adore kids, all of them but for some reason I've never really had an overwhelming desire to have my own. Perhaps I'm in denial (am very good at that) but I don't think so. The one thing I could feel passionately about is adoption. I do feel it's a shame not to know what it's like to have your own child but I don't feel it enough to do something about it. And I worry about kids out there with no-one to love them so adoption is definitely something I'd consider. But only when I'm grown up enough :-)

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