At what point do dreams become nightmares?

topic posted Sun, September 23, 2007 - 7:57 PM by  Unsubscribed
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It is full of very nice people who care about others, with never ever a harsh word.

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    Re: At what point do dreams become nightmares?

    Mon, September 24, 2007 - 8:23 AM
    I'm not a nice person. Nice people actively avoid change.
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      Tue, September 25, 2007 - 12:12 AM
      Thank you, nice of you to take the time to respond.
      And may I say it's a nice answer, but think about this.

      How can people who dream, who trun those dreams into reality
      actively avoid change. Dreams change, the true dreamer changes with them.

      Outside of this one tribe, dreaming, I am an out right asshole, it's just one place
      to care for others, very magic.

      a proud prick in life,
      Art Brut
    • Re: At what point do dreams become nightmares?

      Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:13 PM
      I think that might not always be the case
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        Sat, November 10, 2007 - 2:57 PM
        well since were not on the dreaming tribe, this is an excellent place for an all out classical tribe argument to break out
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          Tue, November 13, 2007 - 11:16 AM
          they become nightmares when we perceive to have lost control.

          just like our lives
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            Tue, November 13, 2007 - 7:57 PM
            nightmares... hmm I have something else to offer here. I have noticed in my work with dreams (as in remembering them, writing them down, thinking about them and what they mean to me) that the most powerful messages I have received have been through dreams that are really scary, ones that would traditionally be called nightmares. My thought on it is, for me at least, I am not going to pay attention to a dream as well as if I am scared right out of my pajamas and wake up all flustered. Scary dreams are the ones that grip me and are in my face, saying, listen to what I have to say goldangit!!!
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            Sat, November 17, 2007 - 12:09 PM
            "they become nightmares when we perceive to have lost control. "

            Good point; I used to have scary nightmares as a child. Apart from a really evil one with a yellow ochre industrial complex, which I think was some kind of slaughterhouse, I finally got rid f them for good, when I stopped a series of falling nightmares in their tracks. I simply realised I was in a dream, and decided to continue falling, but then when I got to the bottom, I decided to bounce, and my falling dreams became flying dreams. So although I never really pecieved previously that I had lost control, certainly it is by percieving that I HAD control, that I ended them.

            Now I just have interesting dreams. Even the "scary" ones, tend to be fun - like a movie.
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            Wed, January 30, 2008 - 2:53 PM
            "they become nightmares when we perceive to have lost control. "

            I disagree. Although it might be the case for many .... it is not always so. Well at least not for this girl. We have to have control in the first place to lose it. I personally find nightmares interesting. I do agree that the messages in them are often important but then how else is the subconscious supposed to get messages to use when a large portion of dreams (by a large majority of us) are forgotten within seconds after waking. Ah but nightmares are different more easily remembered more stress and drama involved.

            Most of the ones I have experienced have been mildly spooky to terrifying which are all mentally rewarding but the ones I really can't seem to get any after-thought enjoyment from are the ones where you wake up and go right back where you left off several times ... they call for more than just waking up - I usually end up sitting up til the memory has been pushed aside and thoughts redirected.
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    Wed, November 14, 2007 - 2:14 PM
    “The word Nightmare itself comes from the Anglo-Saxon neaht or nicht (=night) and mara (=incubus or succubus). Literally means a 'crusher,' and the connotation of a crushing weight on the breast is common, . . . (Hufford, 1982:53)
  • Re: At what point do dreams become nightmares?

    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:51 PM
    Art:
    Thanks for posting this. I've been doing dream work for a long time, actively on the Internet for 5 years. I find Jonathan Goldhammer's book, Radical Dreaming, to be a great resource about the power of dreams and also the function of nightmares. One function of nightmares Goldhammer points out is it is the dream self's way of getting the ego's attention, to force us to face issues we might need to resolve, especially repeating nightmares.

    Peace,
    Moonwolf
    • Re: At what point do dreams become nightmares?

      Wed, December 19, 2007 - 1:35 AM
      it is most often through tense, charged or scary encounters in dreams that i am snapped into a lucid state.

      The result of practicing the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram daily was that i would perform it in my dreams when i felt threatened,and this would cause me to then be lucid for the rest of that dream sequence.
      In one case, i continued through the dream landscape practicing the invoking and banishing modes of the elemental pentagrams, altering the landscape in various ways.

      I find that the sudden challenge in a dream causes me to reveal to myself the symbol, practice or force in which i have the most faith or psychic momentum invested....whether it be Runes during my Rune phase (i would make an Algiz or assume its Stadr while intoning its Galdr)
      or during my devotional phases i would chant Om Namah Shivaya or the MahaMrityunjaya Mantra....
      interestingly, the LBRP or Star Ruby are the ones that tend to result in lucidity and control of the dream, rather than merely providing shelter, like the other methods did.

      I find "nightmares" to be a test of my ritual practice and an opportunity for lucidity.
      LVX in NOX
      Arun

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