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What is with this behaviour?!

topic posted Tue, July 20, 2010 - 9:01 PM by  ceesaw
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Hi guys. I need some opinions on a situation that has me baffled….

I've recently been seeing an Aquarian man for about a month. Things have been going AMAZINGLY. Having lots of fun together, never ending conversations, great sexual chemistry, and every indication from his end that he is totally into me. A few days ago we had an MFF threesome (I instigated it). It was fun, and everything was great between us afterwards. The next night I told him "I think I might have a crush on you" after a few drinks. He was fine at the time, just kissed me - and we've seen each other numerous times since then. Then last night after we went for dinner out of the blue he basically said to me that:

He likes the way things are and how they are going, but if I'm starting to get emotionally invested in this or looking for a relationship then maybe we should stop. He said he likes me as a human being and doesn't want to hurt me, but that he "is dangerous". He said he was recently hurt by someone he really liked who dropped him out of nowhere. He also mentioned that he thought my comment about having a crush on him came from my realisation that getting a little jealous during the threesome meant I must like. I responded rather flippantly (in typical aries fashion) laughing it off in a "that's fine by me" way, saying that I haven't given any indication that I'm looking for a serious relationship anyway… and saying something along the lines "and you think I'm not dangerous?" After I mentioned that I'm glad to hear him say all this "I don't want to commit business" (lies lies lies). We then kissed for ages and I left. He seemed relieved by response somewhat but also shocked I think. I don't/didn't want to play games, but I now feel that I may need to. The Aquarian in him could signal commitment issues, and the Leo moon could be worried that I'm going to hurt him so is pushing me away so I don't get the chance to perhaps…?

Would really appreciate some astrological insight into the reasons behind his behaviour, or in to our relationship. Our details and links to charts are below.

Thanks :)

Composite Chart: people.tribe.net/22fbe6da-...aabab2abb1

Synastry Chart: people.tribe.net/22fbe6da-...14fe621d13

His Chart: people.tribe.net/22fbe6da-...f4c08489c7
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    Re: What is with this behaviour?!

    Tue, July 20, 2010 - 10:38 PM
    Hi ceesaw,

    I thought I'd respectfully let you know that your links aren't clickable.

    • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

      Wed, July 21, 2010 - 6:56 AM
      • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

        Wed, July 21, 2010 - 10:57 AM
        This is very cool (I'm thinking out loud):

        * Your Mars and North Node are conjunct his Chiron
        This might be a sign of a 'karmic relationship'. In this case, it might be you helping him to heal s/t. Chiron = wound.

        * His Moon is square your Pluto
        This isn't necessarily good, but not necessarily bad either. It's often a sign of addiction, obsession, sexual intensity etc. However, Pluto in Synastry also might indicate relations and relationships that make people involved grow, change, transform, etc. Like in the Alicia Keys song: "Love will come find you just to remind you of who you are", and when it reminds you, you learn, see things from a different perspective, change, etc. I hope you're getting what I wanna say.

        * Your Moons and your Suns are in trine
        Trine is a harmonic aspect, and since your Suns (Ego) and Moons (Inner Self) are involved, this one indicates a very good chemistry on a 'human level'.

        However, your 3H Saturn is in his 7th House (house of relationships) . Saturn is often a limit, a lesson, or a 'barrier'. Since your Saturn is in his 7th House, he might feel a barrier regarding a relationship.

        If I'm right, his Venus is opposite to his North Node? Could you please check on his Natal Chart (just in case that I'm wrong), because oppositions to one's North Node are not necessarily good. In his case (Venus and SN in Capricorn) this opposition indicates that he might be fearful of relationships or that he sees relationships as a burden.

        Anyways, there's your Mars conjunct his North Node, which means that you might be there to bring him forward. North Node is our karmic path and conjunctions with the North Node in Synastry are signs of karmic encounters, relations etc. E.g. the fact that you instigated a threesome might be one of those things that you do to 'help him' (subconsciously, on a spiritual level etc).

        Please tell me if I got anything wrong and tell me what you think about what I wrote here. (For a good interpretation it always takes two. IMO.) I'll write s/t about the composite later if you like.

        VDL
        • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

          Thu, July 22, 2010 - 2:12 AM
          VanDeLux… I think what you've written here is quite accurate, although it's difficult for me to know being early days.

          Mars & North Node conjuct Chiron - I definitely relate to your wounded/healing comment. I do get the feeling that he has been hurt or has deep/underlying issues with women. After only a few weeks together he opened up immensely telling me about past relationships, that he has massive trust issues, etc. I was similarly open about my wounds - but I felt he the more fragile of the two of us.

          Moon square Pluto - There is an element of this, intensity wise. He's said that "I bring something out of him" sexually. From my perspective, the relationship between us has already made me value myself more and has made me feel good about myself in general. In the past I have been repeating unhealthy behaviours and then beating myself up (hope that makes sense). Is that kind of what you meant?

          Moon Sun trine - yes, we 'click' on a mental/emotional level I think

          Saturn in his 7th H - Well there ya go!!! Good thing I like knocking bariers down :)

          Venus opp N Node - I'm afraid so… I think there is perhaps conflict between being fearful of commitment and relationships and wanting that romantic, affectionate love that only comes with relationships usually. He is VERY AFFECTIONATE but only behind closed doors (possibly due to moon in leo?? Leo moons are very romantic/affectionate right?).

          Mars conjunct North Node - I'd like to think I can help him leave his past hurt/insecurities behind, but I think I'll need to do so gently and patiently (which doesn't come naturally to me being an aries sun & venus!). It's funny you say that about the threesome… it happened because we were talking about sexual experiences earlier and he said he'd never had a threesome before. I'm not sure why but I felt like I wanted to give that to him.

          I really appreciate your interpretations - really quite good!! There's nothing that I disagree with. Only time will tell though I suppose. Would love for you to look at the composite chart if you have time, but no pressure :)

          Thank you
          • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

            Thu, July 22, 2010 - 4:09 PM
            First, I'm so so sorry, Ceesaw! Previously, I wrote "Could you please check on his Natal Chart" and now I see that you had already posted the link to his Natal. I was on phone, in a rush and the Synastry caught my eye (especially the Chiron, North Node part - I got more excited about it than you obviously lol - basically because I love NN conjunctions, especially in Synastry), so I started writing and didn't check back for the other links. So... Sorry. (-_-)

            I'll leave what I wrote as it is. Except: the paragraph about Mars and North Node was about your North Node. Your NN is in the 9th House and encourages you to Taste it all: new things, differences, different cultures, spiritual growth, education, etc etc. On the other Hand, your Mars is conjunct his Chiron, which means that you are there to heal a wound of his. His Chiron is in the 1st House in Taurus, so he might have ego problems. The 1st House is the House of Self. Taurus is also associated with a dickhead Ego. Basically, your Mars on his Chiron might be there to boost his Ego with willpower, initiative and all Mars-related things.

            Therefore, you might consider this relation as a "karmic encounter". Not necessarily soul mates, but maybe 'soul guides' there to experience each other.

            Sorry, but I've got to ask this: I see that the Universal time on his Natal is 4:00, so I'm wondering whether the time is 100% accurate or you've round it up? (I guess you already know why I'm asking, but just in case - 10 or 20 minutes might make a relevant difference in the Composite. Basically.)

            The Composite Sun in the 9th House (according to these birth times) doesn't necessarily indicate a relationship. Composite Sun in 9th House might be a romance that ends "platonic", or a romance that is there for the people to taste s/t new - a romantic experience, or a "experimental romance". Remember that your North Node is in the 9th House as well, and that your Mars and his Chiron are conjunct in Synastry, so the Composite Sun in the 9th House might reflect and underline what the relationship is about (and it might be about that conjunction in Synastry). You help him, you have a new experience, you grow towards your North Node and that's it.

            His Natal Chart is a little karmic disaster and if it's true that souls pick their Natal Charts before they come down on Earth (I heard so), he picked a very shitty one. Especially in matters of love. I don't know how "dangerous" or "aggressive" he might be, but maybe he just said "I'm dangerous" to play himself up. It's not unusual for guys to do things like that to act the man out, especially if he's got some confidence-issues that he wants to hide. I'm saying this because his Chart is really a karmic disaster and indicates issues and issues: Mercury Rx, Venus Rx, Saturn Rx, Pluto Rx - every retrograde in a Natal Chart can be considered "karmic".

            Mercury Rx is "clumsy" (more or less). Venus Rx experiences love on an introvert level (shy deep down within). Saturn Rx goes like "and no matter what I do, it's never enough" (feeling not worth or not good enough), Pluto Rx is a package that includes many bricks in the way, but also much inner strength and "bite" to save those. Pluto Rx might also include "I'm a mess, but I'll play on cool". On the other hand, his poor (I can say poor) Venus is like stuck in a battlefield opposite Moon (inner self), square Saturn (limit), square Pluto (death, rebirth, transformation) and even opposite NN (or, conjunct SN). Venus conjunct South Node is karmic. Moreover because all those planets hit his Venus. Also, he's got tensions. His emotional needs (Moon) and his emotional needs with other people (Venus) are at war (basically, what he wants is versus what he needs). For example: in one moment, he wants you but when he wants you, it isn't what he needs, but in the next moment, he does need you, but when he needs you, it's not what he wants. That's basically Moon (inner self, personal emotions) opposite Venus (inter-personal emotions). His NN/SN might also reflect this. He might be jumping back and forth between his North Node in Cancer (nurture others, selfless) and his South Node in Capricorn (nurture oneself, selfish).

            With all the squares to his Venus (Mars, Saturn, Pluto), a perfect relationship for him doesn't necessarily exist. I think it's also worth to mention: his Lilith is in the 8th House in Sagittarius. Lilith counts as esoteric, but since all Astrology is esoterically mythological, I find Lilith very interesting, and most people can identify with its interpretations. Lilith might be a "dark side" and it's worth to mention because it's in the House of Death, Sex, Transformations in Sagittarius (the flighty sign that has it hard to commit). However, Lilith in a guy's chart might instead describe the type of woman that would lead him very very wrong. There's more about this in MaryEllen's Dark Moon Goddess Lilith Tribe.

            Basically, he's got lots of 'baggage' and that baggage is his thing, not yours - just in case that you misinterpret the Chiron/Mars conjunction as "you're there to heal him in every single way". No, you're not. According to Astrology and that NN/Mars/Chiron conjunction (and Composite Sun in the 9th House), you're there to 'experience' each other.

            Composite Saturn is in the 5th House and Composite Saturn is often a 'limit'. In the beginning, you don't notice that limit but when the time is right (and when you don't expect it) Saturn activates its 'doom'. That 'doom' might be just an 'expiration date'. Most relationships/relations have that 'expiration date' and in this Composite, Saturn is in the House of Romance, Fun, Games, etc. so it might be the case that the day will come when you will bore each other, or that the romantic feeling that might be there now, will disappear... or s/t like that.

            Whatever the case, there are so many angles and perspectives that you might look from and you'll still not find the perfect answer. that's why, my suggestion would be: trust your heart (and your mind) and let it evolve ...and I think that the Alicia Keys line that I mentioned in the previous post might fit very well.

            Here a link to astrologyweekly regarding Mars/Chiron in Synastry: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/...ead.php Maybe you'll want to check it out if you already haven't.

            And I already said that the threesome might have been a part of that 'healing'. MIGHT. Doesn't have to. IMO, there are things that we shouldn't know, but I guess you asked and I hope this post is (if not helpful, then) at least somewhat inspiring. Not necessarily the most traditionally accurate interpretation (I leave that to traditional people), but anyways. Gods are crazy, stars are blind and you never really know, so follow your gut. (That would be my opinion.)

            Regarding this: "In the past I have been repeating unhealthy behaviours and then beating myself up (hope that makes sense)."
            Don't. That's the unhealthiest behavior of all. Just trust that it all goes the way it should and as long as you learn from the behaviors, no matter how healthy or unhealthy, it's all good. IMO.
            • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

              Sun, July 25, 2010 - 4:37 AM
              Hehe. That is a long read! :) Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts… has definitely clarified a few things and given me something to think about. But like you said - "there are things that we shouldn't know". So I'm going to STOP over analysing now!

              I'm not 100% on the birth time being accurate… so the composite may not be relevant/accurate entirely. He made a comment that he was born at lunchtime which is why he only eats a proper meal at lunch. So I decided to run with noon :)

              "His Natal Chart is a little karmic disaster"

              My gut was telling me 'issues-issues' over here. Interstingly - since you posted this the other day, I had a really good conversation with his brother who's a friend of mine and he basically confirmed all the things you said about him regarding his "shitty little natal chart". His BROTHER warned me, has said to be very carfeful. Which is what I intend to do. But I believe in the ability for people to grow/change positively so not ruling anything out just yet.

              "Just trust that it all goes the way it should and as long as you learn from the behaviors, no matter how healthy or unhealthy, it's all good."

              You couldn't be more right… I'm always trying to remind myself of this, but sometime's it's good to hear it from someone else to really hit home. There's no need for regrets, as everything's a learning curve. The harder the experiences, the stronger the person.

              Thank you for all your astrological musings, and advice in general :) You have been fantastic!
  • he's confused, to ceesaw

    Wed, July 21, 2010 - 10:44 AM
    ceesaw,

    You said:
    "Things have been going AMAZINGLY...great sexual chemistry...had an MFF threesome (I instigated it)...The next night I told him "I think I might have a crush on you"... he basically said to me that: He likes the way things are and how they are going, but if I'm starting to get emotionally invested in this or looking for a relationship then maybe we should stop...He said he was recently hurt by someone he really liked who dropped him out of nowhere...I responded rather flippantly (in typical aries fashion) laughing it off in a "that's fine by me" way, saying that I haven't given any indication that I'm looking for a serious relationship anyway...He seemed relieved by response somewhat but also shocked I think"

    FYI, a three-way does NOT indicate an interest in a relationship. In fact, it indicates the opposite. The "hidden message" of a three-way is that one woman is just as good as another and it's all about sex and fun anyway. So if a guy wants a "commitment" a "one on one" relationship with someone, having that person invite him to a three way sends the message, "I'm not that into the whole "relationship" thing, I just want to have fun. And, if you bore me, I have someone else to keep me interested." Once you brought a three-way into the picture, he saw that soon you would be going off to the next "fun encounter" and that you were probably getting ready to move on. And maybe wanted to "set him up" with the other woman as a "replacement" for you. And then, to confuse him more you say afterwards "I think I might have a crush on you"...and then when he pushes back you "respond flippantly" and indicate you don't care that much about him after all...soooo are you staying or going...he doesn't know and decides it's all getting too emotionally confusing for him to handle.

    OK, enough non-astrology. Astrologically this man has a bucket chart with the Moon (home, also emotions) on his IC (inner world) as the "handle". This means he "picks things up" in his life with his deep, inner emotions. His deep, inner feelings underlie EVERYTHING he does. His Moon is in Leo (dating, romance), indicating he needs to "feel the romance" in things in his life. AND it indicates if his emotions are "hurt", he will want to get away. His emotions are where he WANTS to be nurtured...he wants romance, dating, being made to feel "special"...that's what he's looking for. Emotional swings, "on again/off again" relationships are NOT what he's looking for. As he warned you, "once burned, twice shy". He wants to be reassured that you're not just going to dump him.

    As far as the "dangerous" comment...his Venus (relationships) is highly stress with Pluto (power) and Mars (anger), possibly indicating angrily obsessive relating. If you haven't seen that yet...that probably indicates he has his "dating face" on and is trying to "look his best". There could be issues if he hasn't learned how to handle those obsessive anger-relationship energies in his life.

    All this suggests maybe it's time to take a look at what YOU want in the relationship...and then to let HIM know that, up front, without all the "lies lies lies".

    Suggesting,

    Tim
    • Re: he's confused, to ceesaw

      Thu, July 22, 2010 - 2:47 AM
      Hi Tim…

      I can completely understand your opinion on the threesome and yes, that is a huge possibility that he sees it that way, but I don't think that all people and all threesomes are of the same nature. Generally I would NEVER do that with someone I am serious about (and I told him this after) but for some reason it didn't feel sleazy or like it was about indicating that it's all fun and games. I can see how he could interpret it like that though… my behaviour isn't really in sync with my thoughts/emotions granted. My "I have a crush on you" came from pangs of jealousy I got seeing them fooling around… which he was aware of and teased me about.

      Your astrological insights are very helpful … his moon is way out there on its own like you said, so he's driven by intuition/feeling rather than logic/thinking would you say? This is odd for an Aquarian though right?? Who are big THINKERS.

      You said "His emotions are where he WANTS to be nurtured...he wants romance, dating, being made to feel "special"...that's what he's looking for. Emotional swings, "on again/off again" relationships are NOT what he's looking for. As he warned you, "once burned, twice shy". He wants to be reassured that you're not just going to dump him. "

      I hadn't thought of it like that… I saw the fear of commitment from a different angle, but this makes sense. It explains why despite having said he doesn't like commitment etc, he has acted very romantically and 'coupley' towards me. Him saying "I don't want to hurt you because I know what it's like" could be his way of protecting himself so I can't hurt him.

      INTERESTING point - he told me he has been having hypnotherapy to help with his anxiety issues, confidence issues etc. He comes across as very confident, but said it's all an act and is very insecure. This indicates an ability to "act" in a way opposite to how he really feels, which reiterates your point Tim. It also sits well with your comment that he" has his "dating face" on and is trying to "look his best". I haven't seen any angry/obsessive behaviours as yet… it's quite the contrary. He seems very laissez faire. But he does ask me A LOT of questions about past relationships, flings, situations etc. and I feel as though he's doing so in order to help him make up his mind about something (my suitability etc).

      I appreciate your suggestion and I agree… but I'm worried that if what I want is to take things to the next level and be with him, if I'm straightforward and tell him this, it's going to freak him out and he'll head for the hills… even if he really does like me.

      Hmmmm…. no more threesomes though :) Thanks Tim.

      Ceesaw

  • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

    Wed, July 21, 2010 - 6:05 PM
    Wow. Some really spot on comments there… Thank you both. Both astrologically and on a human level. I can see your point Tim :(

    I'm racing off to work but will respond properly later. Much to think about. Thanks guys!
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    Re: What is with this behaviour?!

    Wed, July 21, 2010 - 8:42 PM
    I'm an aquarian male,some of the things noted about relationships and aquarians being shy or wary of commitment,...

    i notice i work to give myself space,or time to think about things,(sometimes too much)so some might presume some

    degree of ineptitude when actually a large quantity of processing is going on.If something unusual occurs and setts me off

    it can be a while before things settle down.So some of us may appreciate stability,and maintaining a consistent path

    while being considered reluctant to the ideas developing in a relationship.
    • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

      Thu, July 22, 2010 - 3:02 AM
      Hi Rik… so what you are saying is, is that you may come across as being reluctant to commit/enter into a stable relationship, but you in fact want that stability, but just need time & space to determine whether or not it will be the right kind of stability…? (Yikes that's a mouthful!).

      Would you say it's also the stability of what you have when you are going solo? So entering into a relationship could through what you've got going on with yourself out the window?

      Like I said to Tim, he has asked me a lot of questions - to aid in the "processing" you mentioned I guess.

      He has venus in cap… which is also another sign that needs time before making romantic decisions. Basically the exact opposite of me, who jumps into everything head first.

      Lets say something unusual HAS occurred and he IS slightly put off (but not entirely)… In your opinion Rik, being an Aquarian, how should I go about things now? He is overseas for a week at the moment.

      Cheers (and thank you!)… Ceesaw
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        Re: What is with this behaviour?!

        Thu, July 22, 2010 - 4:56 AM

        Would you say it's also the stability of what you have when you are going solo?So entering into a relationship could through what you've got going on with yourself out the window?

        No,looking at things in a holistic sense of opening up a relationship and the considerations there,...while keeping a stable attitude.

        But depending on current responsibilities,...to some degree ya.

        A lot of what i see going on there is testing,...boundaries ect.

        I really wouldn't suggest this,...
  • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

    Thu, July 22, 2010 - 5:23 AM
    "Would really appreciate some astrological insight into the reasons behind his behaviour, or in to our relationship. Our details and links to charts are below. "

    Ceesaw

    Not read all the comments yet, but just wondering, do you think that this non-relationship has any long term survivability? What are you hoping to get out of this relationship?
    • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

      Thu, July 22, 2010 - 7:56 AM
      Hey Paul… Yeah I do. It's certainly not just a casual thing. By 'relationship' I mean the relations currently between us. Any two people involved, no matter what the circumstances, are involved in a relationship of sorts. By definition it can't be a non-relationship unless you don't know the person at all (in my opinion).

      I'm not sure EXACTLY what I want, but I do really like the person and feel that there's a meaningful connection there, as well as a friendship. I suppose I'd like things to 'get serious', become exclusive. I have had plenty of short flings since my last long term relationship over a year ago and this seems different.

      I'm getting a doubtful vibe from you Paul…. I remember you once telling me (I think!) that I'm likely to be overly idealistic in love! Well I have been working really hard to take the rose coloured glasses off!! Haha. But seriously, I'm not saying he's my 'soulmate' but I do think there's potential there and I'd like to explore that.
      • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

        Thu, July 22, 2010 - 8:28 AM
        ceesaw

        By non relationship I meant a non-romantic-relationship. The reason I'd worry is because he said "if I'm starting to get emotionally invested in this or looking for a relationship then maybe we should stop" which suggests he doesn't consider it a long term emotionally intimate situation.

        What I wasn't sure of is whether you want/hope to settle down with him or whether you just want things to carry on as they are until you settle down with someone else.

        "I'm getting a doubtful vibe from you Paul"

        Well yeah, not so much doubtful as unsure. I would argue that he doesn't want a relationship (you know what I mean) right now, he wants to keep things emotionally light and not overly intimate, but it seems like you want things to be more, as you put it "serious', become exclusive", but he hasn't given any indication from what you've said that HE wants that. Seems like he's trying to be clear and not break anyone's heart or hurt anyones feelings but that he just doesn't want to share his heart with anyone right now, but it sounds like you DO want him to share his heart with you.
  • Re: What is with this behaviour?!

    Fri, August 5, 2011 - 8:20 AM
    WOW. It's been just over a year since this thread started… I was just reading back on old posts and had to mention - VanDeLux, the things you said were SPOT ON! It does feel extremely karmic, albeit a karmic pain in the arse at times! And many things you said Tim were also very accurate.

    The two of us ended up staying together (and we're still together) and low and behold it's a "real relationship" with commitment and all. Haha.

    BUT - It took 6 months of us "seeing each other" and me just sticking around before he decided he wanted to make it official. Then every single time there's the slightest issue he freaks out and tries to push me away. But I've been helping him work through this among other things. He's also helped me IMMENSELY to see myself more clearly and evolve into a more balanced and healthy person. It's been up and down and up and down… so there's been no opportunity to get bored (which is what usually happens with me). I almost ruined everything recently by betraying his trust, the trust I worked so hard to get :( But we're working through it. I think if he was anyone else I would never have put up with so much crap, and if I didn't give him so much love he wouldn't put up with my craziness either. But for some reason, we're still here.

    So I just wanted to tell you guys that you are fabulous astrologers… although a threesome doesn't always spell doom after all! :) And even the most non-commital of aquarians can be persuaded!