The Van Room

topic posted Sat, October 27, 2007 - 7:37 PM by  Unsubscribed
This is my favorite web group! Great work.

I would say a van may be one of the cheapest and easiest forms of shelter, when parked on your land/ behind your home.

Why I did this:
price: bought used van, not working, for $200. If you ever get tired of it the junk yard will pick it up and pay you $150 just for the scrap metal.

Transportability: can be driven or towed to the spot on your land where you want it.

Efficient to build: Pay the tow guy and your shelter is done.

Weather-proof: water-tight against rain, etc.

Pest-proof: ditto. This was one of the factors wich decided me against going with something like a kit shed from Home Depot instead. Not having ants and spiders in your affordable housing is great.

Peace with the neighbors: it just looks like a parked van. This allows many locations that would not seem out of place.

Climate control: some vans, such as my Ford Aerostar, come with some carpeting and insulation. An air conditioner installed in the window of the sliding side door keeps it comfortable in summer. (The window unbolts in about 15 minutes, and may be re-bolted in the fall, when an electric space heater will take over.)

Durability, Low Maintenance: should last a few decades, with occaisional paint.


A few other notes:
I put sheets of tin foil in most of the windows, reflecting the hot sun, and preventing light from showing outside. A few of the windows that face the woods have simple curtains.

I use this as my sleeping room, as an addition to a small home in an urban neighborhood. So I have access to my regular kitchen, bath, washer/dryer, etc.
So I'm not asking too many tasks of my Van Room.

I've planted cypress trees around it so it wont bother the neighbors. (Another $200).

The toughest part is accepting that you can't have many posessions/ do-dads in the van. Keep the stuff minimal, and it is pretty comfortable.

Furniture: try just a big cushion that turns the bed into a couch.

Downsides?: You can't stand up in a mini van or standard van.


Questions:
I would like to insulate it further, both for winter and summer. It does get hot and cold. Other that fiberglass batt insulation, what would be good, and low cost?


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    Sat, October 27, 2007 - 11:39 PM
    [quote]Questions:
    I would like to insulate it further, both for winter and summer. It does get hot and cold. Other that fiberglass batt insulation, what would be good, and low cost? [/quote]

    Other than burying it? Lattice work and vine overgrowth for sun shade. Expanding foam insulation sprayed in to the doors etc.
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    Sun, October 28, 2007 - 6:52 AM
    most of us skoolies use CERAMIC insulation www.hytechsales.com/index.html
    ps. i have an aerostar too. i screened over the windows and put in a 6inch 12vdc rotron fan for ventilation. mine is still roadworthy.
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      Sun, October 28, 2007 - 9:10 AM
      I am in the process of moving into a 27 year old Westy. I've installed solar panels on the roof, LED lighting, given away all of my large appliances and replaced them with ones that operate on 12v. I find it quite cozy.

      One suggestion - the fellow that I purchased the Westy from had replaced the wallboard and ceiling with whiteboard that you can write on with dry erase markers. I am a designer and it gives me alot of drawing and "to do" list space - especially those times when you wake up in the middle of the night with an great idea. Unfortunately, he did not insulate during the replacement. Foaming seems the easiest in my case. Another idea is to have a number of pillows on the bed that can be placed up against the windows at night. Its pretty cheap insulation - about $2.50 / pillow.
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    Mon, October 29, 2007 - 8:39 PM
    Lived in a 1963 GMC stepvan for 6 years in the early 80's ~ Until I blew up my 3rd engine and could not get it rebuilt and back on the road. Purchased running, in good working order, with newer tires and year tabs for $500 cash.

    We insulated with 3 inches of recycled/salvaged foam in the walls and ceiling and more on the floor under salvaged carpeting.
    Installed a large sliding side window and two ''pop- up'' roof vents; tongue and groove ceder paneling and spray painted the cab interior. Built on a back porch that folded up to hold 3 bicycles, jerry cans for gas and water and two large potted plants.

    Built in a raised bed with clothes storage underneath that folded out to a double.
    Had room for bookshelves, a small 2nd hand boat heater, and many of the amenities (pets, plants, kitchen set up that fit on the engine cover when in use...artwork, musical instruments and Camping Gear !)
    Being on the short side... I was able to stand up inside (5' 6'' clearance in the center).. Most of my friends only needed to walk with their knees bent.
    All of this ~ For a total out lay of less than $800 start to finish - with a Lot of the work done with friends' help, a lot of creative thinking and scavaging/recycling/reclaiming. It fit EXACTLY into a compact car parking space !!! The sliding doors helped .... we could park it anywhere !

    Took the beast from Seattle to NYC and back by way of New Mexico - Twice.
    Found that we could sleep 4 adults, a St. Bernard, and 2 cats all inside (in a pinch) - mostly it was just two of us and the pets....
    I miss my old ''beast'' ~ but it still lives somewhere in Seattle... Some one bought it and it was last seen being driven near the U of W.
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    Tue, October 30, 2007 - 12:20 PM
    Hey, some great suggestions and stories.

    Bury it: that sounds like perhaps the most efficient method in terms of results and effort. A van might even withstand the side pressures, if perhaps the windows were boarded up, or made sunken light wells around them. I will have to think over that option for my residential neighborhood as far as looks. I know you guys are specializing in this in other threads, but can the van stay above surrounding ground level, and just have a dumptruck deliver a mound of dirt tall enough to cover the van on all sides?

    Vines overhead for shade: that sounds like what I may do for summer heat abatment. I expect leaving a couple of feet between the vines and the van will allow cooler air to circulate. Perhaps some bamboo poles, string and bean vines...

    Spray foam: that sounds good because of being easy and airtight, high r-value. Perhaps chicken wire stapled to the upholstery would help it stay in place.
    Questions: is this a do it yourself project or contractors? How much would it cost to insulate a minivan this way (walls and ceiling, not floor)?

    Ceramic Insulation: if I understand Steve's link specs, this is hollow ceramic microbeads which are added to paints. Their benefit is primarily reflective in nature. Paint on the outside to reflect heat out, pain on the inside to reflect heat in. Heat/ cooling savings up to 30%. Cost about $15/ gallon for additive. Sounds worth doing. What savings have you realized?

    Mattress foam, 3": that sounds sensible. I am leaning towards that, even perhaps new.

    I had also considered, secondhand mattresses/ using their non-spring materiel; carpet underlay foam; secondhand carpet; wool thrift store or army surplus blankets.

    Someone mentioned pillows, and I remembered I bought synthetic pillow filler, @ $7 for a box (Walmart), might be enough to cover one van wall about 3" thick. So, for 4 walls and the ceiling, I might need 5 boxes =$35. I would need to add a barier on the inside for best effect, right? I.e., plastic sheeting, or plywood sheets, etc.
    One idea would be to fill large plastic trash bags with the fill, then flatten them out into rectangular insulation panels, say 3"x3'x4'. Then I would just hot glue, tape or staple them in place in the interior.
    Would the R-value of this method be comparable to fiberglass batt insulation?

    Long-term living in a Van: those sound like great times in that old 60s van. Something about a van does feel like it is the right amount of space for a person to live in. You just feel comfortable camped there. And with all the windows it has, it could practically be a greenhouse! A few indoor plants would definately improve a van.

    Camoflaging a van: that sounds cool to paint a van/ camper with the scenery where it will be setting. It's not illegal for a home/ shelter to be in visual harmony with the nature around it.
    related: back in mechanic school i had a classmate who worked for the army and he got his vw bus painted in camoflage by the same folks that do the tanks, etc. It looked neat, but of course you could paint with more peaceful/ nature connotations.
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      Tue, October 30, 2007 - 2:27 PM
      Just me ~ but am uncormfortable with the idea of burying a formerly running vehicle.
      Not very safe for the enviroment with all the metal, paints, and auto fluids, etc !
      All these things will break down and leach into the surrounding water table and soil !

      Yes, from a heating stand point - burying your structure at least partly, does increase your ability to save heat... see other examples of homes built into hills.

      But would opt for a ''container'' that is NOT full of things that are not good for the enviroment.
      You will almost certainly encounter issues from your neighbors if you live in a residental area.
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        Sat, November 3, 2007 - 5:54 PM
        OK, I promise not to bury my van as it is.

        That is a good point about all the pollutants. So burying does seem to go best with containers, not vehicles.

        But if you really wanted to do it with a van, you could probably take out the engine, drive train, radiator, brakes, drain the coolant and brake fluid (and gas tank), and be pretty good. If you had a good vehicle hoist and an air wrench this could be done in a day.

        The wheels and axles probably don't contribute a lot toxins, but they could probably be removed too.

        This idea perhaps goes best with getting the van from a junk yard, where you could leave all the unneeded parts and get a discount.
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          Sat, November 17, 2007 - 5:51 PM
          You can get straw bales for next to nothing, people in rural areas use them all the time for insulation on outbuildings and skirts for structures mounted on short pillars. Wouldn't take too many bales to make the van dissappear, remaining ground-level but having nearly the same insulation value as being underground. Since they stack like bricks, you can leave holes at the windows or main door, etc.
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            Sat, November 17, 2007 - 11:59 PM
            That actually sounds pretty cozy---- a van parked in the middle of all these straw bales, with the bales providing a windbreak, insulation, and also serving as a privacy fence/camouflage. Meaning, you could either* pile them right up against the van, or you could allow more room between the bales and the van, thereby making a sort of enclosed "yard". Don't know what bales cost these days. Last time I bought some (1996, southeastern U.S), they cost $2.50 each.
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              Sun, November 18, 2007 - 1:25 AM
              They vary. Brent could tell ya better. I've seen em anywhere from a dollar to three dollars. Depends on the harvesting weather that year.
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                Mon, November 19, 2007 - 5:17 PM
                "That actually sounds pretty cozy---- a van parked in the middle of all these straw bales, with the bales providing a windbreak, insulation, and also serving as a privacy fence/camouflage. "

                Imagine adding a couple of 2nd hand parachutes suspended from a "mast" over the top.

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