i have a few shelter designs i'm going to build from corrugated paperboard, aka cardboard.
anyone else building with cardboard?
anyone else building with cardboard?
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Fri, January 11, 2008 - 3:52 AMWhat is the purpose of the radio in the Shell home?
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 4:23 PMyeah, i've seen that one. but the price is totally ridiculous, considering it's MADE FROM CARDBOARD. i mean, come on...
"At a purchase price of just $35,000 this is a genuine short-term housing option that could be used in a variety of applications. It is lightweight, transportable, requires no more skill to erect than an Ikea product, and is very affordable."
i don't know about you, but there's no way in hell i'd shell out 35 grand for a 'short-term housing option'. also, i'm sure that the people who most need short-term shelter (disaster victims, etc.) won't be in the financial position to afford that either. -
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 6:08 PMagain i say....it's the IDEA that i illustrate not a recommendation to buy one. but theres free cardboard in a lotta locations and a person can get some design ideas from this to maybe build thier own. heck you can buy a nice doublewide for that amount.
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Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:36 PMHi Philip,
I have always been interested in cheap shelter and cardboard is an interesting material. I was wondering from what level of construction were you speaking of ? I know that if emergency shelters were built of cardboard there would probably be some type of protective coating to resist weathering. I think that effectively sealing cardboard from the elements would be difficult, but on the other hand if you were speaking of a type of DIY homeless shelter design then a person could get very creative. If you looked at the structure on the Instructables web site that is posted on this discussion that was very clever...origami, but if you are a homeless person, your cold, tired and hungry what might be a self made shelter technique? I have seen on the web students who were challenged to make a cardboard shelter for homeless awareness then sleep in it for a night, they usually made a sort of triangular tube by bending cardboard into the correct shape. It works but the ends are still open to the weather. I'll bet a lot of times a homeless person couldn't always find a huge cardboard box and during the winter what would such a person do. The Instructables Origami shelter was clever in the sense that it could be collapsed and carried off...this is a great idea! I thought if someone considered it there might be an easier technique on how to construct a very simple DIY cardboard shelter. Perhaps even call it hobo technology. Usually a homeless person doesn't have much in the way of resources for building a cardboard shelter...no tools, no 2" wide tape, no cord or anything, so the challenge is how to come up with a way to build this thing that can be carried away or stashed away for the next night. I think something that completely encloses the occupant and has a way of construction that could use materials cleverly. Perhaps there is a way to join and overlap smaller cardboard pieces like shingles without the aide of tape, string or whatever. Possibly plastic grocery bags could be implemented for a tying together methodology. Why do I ask this? I think it might be an important endeavor for free information to be passed on to homeless people everywhere. Not that I begrudge anyone adequate housing and I hope their circumstances improve but as a survival technique for anyone finding themselves in a bad situation. Do you think this is a good challenge for anyone on here interested? I would gladly discuss it and if we came up with something good we could share it with the masses via the internet. Let me know what you think, it might also be fun. Best Regards, Rick
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 8:01 PMYou might want to check out Phil Garlington's book, <a href="Rancho" title="www.amazon.com/Rancho-Cos.../ref=sr_1_1">www.amazon.com/Rancho-Cos.../ref=sr_1_1 Costa Nada: The Dirt Cheap Desert Homestead </a>. There's a section where he goes into some detail on building with cardboard. Or "crap board" as he calls it.
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Sun, January 20, 2008 - 4:58 PMThe Clancy Cardboard House.
8 x 12.5 foot cabin built from cardboard and recycled materials, for $62.
www.motherearthnews.com/Homest...se.aspx
Click on "Image Gallery" to the right for pics. Photos are not good, but u get some idea.... -
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Tue, January 22, 2008 - 4:48 PMI'm wondering if these shelters are even made to be reassembled. I can see the tabs breaking off, bends in the wrong places, and general decay of the medium after two or three exposures to the elements. There are poly-vinyl (plastic) cardboard equivalents which would repel water. Maybe one made of those with some reinforced connectors/tabs.
As far as a shelter for homeless (on the street, not displaced. like N.O.) I would steer away from anything more complicated than a simple triangle or box. A lot of homeless are either mentally challenged or drug/alcohol addicted. I have lived on the street with these folks. I'm not speaking for all, but certainly a surprising majority.
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Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:13 PMJelly, I would very sincerely be interested in that experience you had, living among the homeless. What percentage would you say were druggies vs. handicapped vs. quite normal but honestly down on luck temporarily? In what area was this? -
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Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:10 PMI question the sense of a lot of these temporary houses, the trailers from katrina are a perfect fiasco example, a more practical portable housing unit for someone with few resources is a $500 van cause it really can move and many folks have some mechanical skills. Right now many homeless have figured out that many foreclosed houses will eventually get slated for demolition, so they are trying to get some use out of 'em. I think the best government program would focus on salvaging the worth out of many of these and figurring out which of the persistently homeless could actually make a go at homesteading and being capable of maintaining a house for a long period of time. I heard an estimate of 200,000 homes that will eventually have to be torn down for all the wrong reasons.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 5:16 PMOn Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:13 PM, A Thousand Good Intentions wrote:
>>What percentage would you say were druggies vs. handicapped vs. quite normal but honestly down on luck temporarily?
OK, I'm sure there is more accurate census data available. I also have to group together alcoholics and "druggies." Maybe 60 -70% drug/alcohol based, 15-20% handicapped (thank Regan for that number), leaving 10-15% for down on your luck. (*Rough Approximations*)
As you might easily imagine, there is a LOT of bleed-over in these 'groups' and I'd say there is a fair chance that any given individual would fit into two, or even all three.
As far as where...man, all over. I been a traveler a long time. It'd be easier to name places I haven't hung out on the street. Nowhere north of: Jersey, Chicago, or Bend, Oregon. So the excludes a lot of major urban areas with large populations of homeless. Fact is, bro. You got 'em in your town. Every city has them. Find the soup kitchens or the food boxes and charity pantries, you've got to see for yourself.
J
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 11:03 AMDate of the article is 1976.
Inflation will have bumped that $62 price tag up quite a bit...
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 11:07 AMAny way to use cardboard straight out of a baler as building material? I always see large bales of cardboard going to waste and not being recycled. I can see this being bad fill but there should be a way to stabilize it so that it can be more dependable. If you can use the size of the box baler it would be very easy to be resourceful and find a way to process them without finding new equipment or transporting them much cause every large dock facility usually has one baler in use. You just pick-up and if you can make arrangements at each dock as to how you would like it to be baled you'd have it easy. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 12:16 PMyou jogged my memory. it seems that i saw somewhere that someone was using the BALES INTACT and stacked them like large stone blocks and then stuccoed over them. but i'm sure it was 20 years ago. maybe a member can find reference to it. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 1:53 PMyeah I'm kinda thinking bales of cardboard is a bit of a clunker, at best a bad straw bale that's twice as heavy. But there's no straw bales where I'm working only cardboard ones, lotsa cardboard bales. Certainly three inches of tacked up cardboard then stuccoed wouldn't be terrible only a bit combustable.
Altho mass cardboard forms could fuse with the rest of the discussion on homeless profiles, I see the material to make up many lifelike homeless people forms. If set up in a park in the right way I'm sure they would attract pigeons, drunks, donations, and churchworkers wanting to help. Just like the cardboard bales I'm not sure why I would want to do that tho. Perhaps it would be great advertising for the cardboard buildings. Nevermind that's not going anywhere. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 11:15 PMstraw bales are considered non-combustible due to their density and the lack of air inside to fuel combustion. for the same reason, i would reason that cardboard bales would be as well. Especially if they were soaked in some sort non-flammable adhesive (elmers glue?) even better if they were baled soaked in it then they could be cut into shapes, too.
(apologies if that was suggested in a link, didn't have time to read them.)
J
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 3:05 PMhere's a shelter made from cardboard bales, done by students at the Rural Studio in Alabama:
www.cadc.auburn.edu/soa/rura...rdpod.htm -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 3:46 PMthanks philip. now if a person shotcreted over them they'd have something nice.
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