I have noticed that ther e is an abundance of information on how to build with inexpensive materials but somehow getting the property to put the shelter on is the expensive part. Is there anyone who knows about guerilla land financing or something like that ?
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Re: how to get the land?
Tue, September 18, 2007 - 5:57 PMsimple: you buy it.
how do you buy it? with money.
how do you get the money? work your ass off until you have enough of it.
the formula is simple. blood, sweat, and tears is what makes the world go round. you're gonna pay either way.
but i suppose you want the petty details...
depends on what kind of land you want. if you want a bubbling brook in an enchanted forest somewhere, be prepared to pay dearly for it. all the good land is basically spoken for in North America. sure, you can owner finance. it's no different than a mortgage, except you're paying an individual instead of a bank. you're basically a renter.
you want electricity? you want water and sewage? that's gonna cost you, too. do your research. check the county codes in the areas you're interested in. is it a flood zone? is the property buildable? are there time limits to build? what kind of building restrictions? SFH only and 60% brick? mobiles allowed? what about trailers? what if you just want to set up a tent and shit in a hole? will the county allow it?
sometimes it's easier to just rent in the city.
however, if you don't mind living on bone-dry desert land out in the middle of Nowhere, USA, you'll find bargains galore. i highly recommend phil garlington's instruction manual on how to live (and survive) in this kind of environment: "Rancho Costa Nada: The Dirt Cheap Desert Homestead" www.amazon.com/Rancho-Cos.../1559502363 .
otherwise, keep to the formula: work your ass off and pay CASH whenever you can. forget all that financing bullshit.
good luck!
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Re: how to get the land?
Wed, September 19, 2007 - 7:44 AMyou don't have to buy desert. theres tons of enchanted forest land available for cheap/owner finance. the key descriptor for desirable ( read expensive) isn't vegatation or even natural water. it's ELECTRICITY. with other services ( paved roads, schoolbus, mail etc. ) bieng secondary. if a piece of land is beyond the grid it's usually cheap and not in demand much. those pieces you can get owner financed because usually a bank won't touch them. they see it as valueless too if you default. also owner finance ain't nothing like renting. it is like a bank mortgage. it's yours to do what you want. unlike renting. also you have protection against bieng evicted at the owners whim. and boonie land has few if any restrictions on it.
a friend of mine is in the process of buying my closest neighbors place. 9.5 acres FOREST with a 2br. 2ba greatroom cabin w/well water for $20K..... you can't buy a descent USED SUV for that. so it's possible. all you gotta REALLY do is quit your self defeating attitude ( AWWWW I CAN'T DO THIS) get offin your butt and start BEATING THE BUSHES until you score. make it your HOBBY. my first real estate purchase was owner financed. i made it my hobby to look at real estate ads daily. i'd set up meetings EVERY weekend. i'd MAKE AN OFFER every time i found something suitable. it was sorta like that old saying about the guy who asked every good looking woman he ran across for sex.... he got his face slapped a lot but he also got a lot of sex.... i got rejected a LOT! more times than i can count. since i had t make the offers on MY TERMS it took awhile. i always lowballed but finally i scored. i finally got an old trailer for zero down owner finance. lived in it five years while saving and still looking. found a repo MANSION in country club. zero down. barely had enopugh for closing costs etc. moved into it and rented out the trailer. kept beating bushes. few years later found 15 acres on lake ( where we are now) that we call skyranch. sold trailer and bought it cash ( with our savings too ) after a couple years saving built a cabin CASH. sold mansion and bought 85 acres in boonies on top of mountain with net CASH. moved into skyranch FREE. now we're taliking. no mortgage etc. it's passive solar low utilities etc. so now we're building an alternative cheap shelter ( the big box) for cash as we can afford. thats my story. hope it helps.
ps. i left out the keys. thats we WORK. we live a SANE, sensible, simple, frugal lifestyle so we can SAVE. we've not done anything illegal for it. we've not gotten ONE RED CENT from family. i only finished 10th grade so i've never had a JOB. only SELF employed all my life. if we can do it ANYBODY CAN. but you have to FOCUS. forget all the toys etc. we've never rented a video etc. for decades we only had one vehicle. never paid over $500 for one. now we have two late model ( bought new) paid for etc. once you get your first place paid for you can afford the toys. we have many now. -
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Re: how to get the land?
Wed, September 19, 2007 - 9:16 AMDon't hold back, Steve; What do you really think ;-) Man, I could have used more of that attitude from my parents growing up!
One other idea that I have seen work. Pick your county, visit the courthouse, and review tax records. You are looking for any plot of land where the taxes are being paid by someone in another state - the farther away the better. It can lead you to a plot of land that was inherited by someone living far away. Some have never visited the plot of land and are tired of paying the taxes, yet have never gone to the effort (and obviously don't want to) to advertise it for sale. I have seen land in this situation sell for a fraction of what the timber is worth. You can get offers on the timber before making an offer to buy the land. Buy it and sell whatever timber you must.
Two warnings: 1) Timber prices can change overnight, so don't waste any time between timber appraisal and sale and 2) Land with multiple heirs is much harder to close on that single-heir land. -
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 10:08 AMyes i forgot back tax land. until katrina arkansas had a lot. couple months after katrina someone bought it ALL up and have since. but previously a friend got 3 acres lot for $125 back taxes. generally speaking the lower the population the cheaper the land. ditto for the poorer the state. you can get the tax records online. check census out. then check out the least populated areas. check the tax roles for the area. google earth to remote view. pick out a place and buy it. theres taxland you have to bid on and theres the leftover list that NOBODY wanted. you only pay the backtax for those.
once i ran into 120 acres that was such a deal that i bought an OPTION on it for 60 days. cost me every cent i had saved. i made up a flyer on it. placed FREE ads in the ad papers. even priced at 10% over cost it was STILL 30% below market. i lucked out and sold it three weeks into the option for a $10K PROFIT! used it to pay off the ole trailer place. the key is ACTION. just DO IT. -
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Wed, September 19, 2007 - 8:30 PManudda story.... i was going down the road one day. going to my bank. passed a realtors office every time. the portable sign outside said 15 acres on the lake $30K. over the next three months i noticed it kept dropping. $25K, $20K, $15K when it hit $12K i stopped in. i realised it was the same piece and the owners wanted out. got the realtor to show it to us. went to my bank and drew out every cent i had....$4500 in CASH. went into the realtors and made an offer. GAVE HIM THE CASH on the barrel....NO ernest money NO CHECK.... CASH in FULL! he said he was embarrassed to make the offer but by law he HAD TO. the owners accepted. it's hard to turn down CASH. theres an old truism CASH TALKS. for instance i once bought a car for HALF the asking price at a used car lot. i did it by plopping down a grocery bag with the offer in $1 bills. heckofa pile of CASH. got the car for HALF price. big bag of CASH speaks volumes.
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Mon, March 31, 2008 - 4:39 PM"....you can get the tax records online. ... theres taxland you have to bid on and theres the leftover list that NOBODY wanted. you only pay the backtax for those. ..."
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I know how to look up tax records online for my city, using address or owner's name or tax lot number, etc., but how do you look up rural property where there is no address, as such?
I have a couple of counties in Oregon that I'd like to research and see if there is any cheap land available.
Land that nobody bid on, with outstanding back taxes might be ideal!
I'll just spend some time trying to surf around and find that kind of info, but if anybody has any search tips, I'd appreciate it.
These counties are pretty rural, and I'm wondering if they bother to enter all that info online yet. -
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Mon, March 31, 2008 - 7:45 PMyea I would love to see a revival in info on this subject. Back-taxed land sounds like an obscure little nook for a resourceful person on a budget to purchase some dirt spread. -
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Re: how to get the land?
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:27 PMI just googled the county name and "property tax" or "assessor" or something like that to get the county assessor's office in the county that I was researching. Then I followed the links to try and identify further tax info, but I need Internet Explorer 6.0 or newer to use the county website's GIS mapping service.
I haven't got that yet, but sometime I'm going to go to the local library and see what information I can find using the county's site.
In my town, you can find out what the taxes are on any piece of land, and the owner's address, but it won't give you tax payment info (that is, whether the taxes have been paid) over the internet. At least not to my knowledge. You can get that at the assessor's office, though.
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 11:19 AM"you don't have to buy desert"
There's nothing wrong with the desert. I love south-eastern Arizona, for example. Gorgeous, great climate, reasonably priced. -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 11:27 AMto each thier own. whats the temp there right now? where do you get your water? what do you call reasonably priced? -
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 1:54 PM"to each thier own"
This is the important and relevant part of your reply. -
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Tue, September 25, 2007 - 3:18 PMso you're not going to answer the questions i asked?
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Rancho Costa Nada
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:29 AMI had my library inter-library loan this book from another library (which was free!).
I think it's great.
I'm not sure that that the author's desert homestead is a really practical model to emulate, but I'm really enjoying reading it all the same.
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Re: how to get the land? - COLLABORATE
Tue, September 18, 2007 - 6:57 PMCollaborate if you can find one or more others who share a very similar goal. It is SO hard to do anything this complex alone (and not as much fun). Every traditional American household owns a lawn mower, washer, dryer, etc. (LONG list) of things that we use .0001% of the time. It's a wonder anybody ever gets a homestead started and I suspect almost nobody ever gets one developed to the extent they want. You run out of time, money, or both.
My brother and I have fallen into a very informal collaboration for the past couple of years. We share tractors, tools, and such. Has been a great boost to both of us achieving our goals. When the other needs a helping hand or just a sounding board we help each other out and don't think about trying to make it equitable. The less we worry about who is giving more the "evener" it gets.
There are infinite ways to do it. Lately I am thinking about starting a small farm near an Ag/Engineering university (Auburn University). I can supply simple housing for say 6 students and allow them to offset the cost of their housing, laundry, and food by applying some of what they learn to building, raising crops, chickens, goats, etc. Works out for me and them both. Just an example.
Google "Intentional Community" or look up those tribes. You'll probably reject 95% of what others are doing, but perhaps will find some ideas that fit you.
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Sat, September 29, 2007 - 12:35 PMi don't know too much about it,
but in canada you can lease crown land for dirt cheap, and a lease is for 99 year.
you have to commit to helping "develop" it,
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Sat, September 29, 2007 - 4:09 PMcan anyone do this or just canadian citizens? also approx. how much is the lease? -
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 9:21 AMBuying and renting Canadian crown land is discussed at:
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 10:55 AMthanks. i read it all. i still can't see if you have to be a canadian citizen. is the only crown land in ontario? are there crown lands in other provinces. -
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 6:30 PMRe: how to get the land?
"thanks. i read it all. i still can't see if you have to be a canadian citizen. is the only crown land in ontario? are there crown lands in other provinces. "
To my knowledge, you don't have to be a Canadian citizen to do this. In fact, there are many American citizens that built cottages in Northern Ontario (especially around Algonquin National Park). In fact, the 'ROOTS' clothing company (with beavers and maple leafs on it) which supplied the Canadian Athletes in the Olympics is owned by two American citizens who have fond memories of their summer vacations in a cabin in Canada.
This also happens in British Columbia and the Maratimes. In fact, it was considered somewhat of a problem by people in the Maratimes with American citizens scooping up cheap land (and houses) in the Maratime provinces (especially Nova Scotia). Until the second world war, the Maratimes provinces were economically prosperous. When the war ended however, there was a massive shortage of jobs due to a lack of industry. As a result, the housing market is very depressed. Americans from New England found that they could buy houses in places such as Nova Scotia which were within a half-hour drive to the U.S. border for very cheap.
There is also something regarding staking a mining claim in Canada. For a registration fee of a few hundred dollars, you can choose or 'stake' a parcel of land about an acre across, provided that you actually live there...develop the land so that it is habitable, and have some form of working mine on the property. Keep in mind that a gravel pit is considered a form of mine.
You don't have to be a Canadian citizen to do this. In fact, many American companies and British companies have started Diamond mines in the new 'diamond rush' in the Northwest Territories. -
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 6:32 PMOh, also...there is Crown land in every province and territory in Canada.
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 4:20 PMThanks for all the information provided! I've been asking the same question for the past few months, after reading as much as I can about cob building/natural building and starting to take the steps needed to make this a reality.
Anyone have particular thoughts on finding cheap land either in Missouri or Virginia? Aside from all the previously mentioned advice, of course. -
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 5:03 PMyou could start here.
www.realtor.com/search/sea...esults.aspx
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Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:03 PMLet me just say that if you want a piece of land, you can make it happen, even if you are scraping the bottom of the barrel financially. I just did it. My situation was compounded by the fact that I did not want to go into debt, and I live in sunny California, where land is REALLY expensive. I have been looking for land for years, but never had the money. I finally found cheap parcels of land in the mountains near a small town in Northern California, and spent a year combing the listings and saving my dollars. Finally I hooked up with a realtor and checked out about 15 properties one day last Fall. One of them caught my eye, and I did the arithmetic and made a bid and took out a small personal loan with my bank and SHAZAM - I now own 4.4 wooded acres on 2 adjoining lots, deep in the mountains and far from the utilities, amongst the growers and hillbillies of NorCal. I am having a 1-room shed custom built and delivered, and I'll insulate it and install a wood-burning stove. An outhouse, some rain barrels and I'm set to go, all for a whopping $30,000. I'll be debt-free in 1 month. By all means use realtor.com to look up land by city and state, and also do key word searches to find realtors in the areas you want to live in. Check out their online listings and let them know what you want. Where there's a will, there's a way. And you don't have to play the mortgage game if you don't want to, just keep looking for a deal and keep saving your money.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 10:33 AMwhat about squatter's rights? does that still exist? -
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 2:19 PMI've heard that in California you can gain squatter's rights if you can prove that you've lived on a piece of land for 5 years, but I don't know if that's accurate. Speaking of squatters...I've known people who have squatted in "unused" houses. One woman said the landlord and a sheriff showed up one day and gave her 5 minutes to get her belongings and leave. The other guy said the landlord showed up one day and let him stay, since he had repaired the house and restored electricity and phone service. I don't know what the final verdict on that was. Met a guy who lived in an Indian cave on the California coast for several years...it was on private property and he was eventually discovered by the farmer who owned the land, and booted out. Word was that the farmer was once been shown the cave when he was a kid, and vaguely remembered that it was on his land somewhere, but he couldn't find it after that. Then he heard rumors that someone was living in the cave, so he kept an eye out for trespassers, and caught this squatter when he was returning to the cave with water bottles. Now the cave's entrance is bulldozed over. But I can't say I've ever heard of any squatters claiming squatters' rights.
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 11:11 AMThere was a case here in Oregon years ago of a guy living on some little sliver of state land somewhere, and when they tried to evict him he claimed squatter's rights. It was in the newspaper for a while, so the claim was receiving *some* consideration, apparently. I lost track of the story, and I'm curious now how it might have turned out.
You know what, though? I'll bet dollars to donuts that if the state wanted him off that land bad enough, he's gone. -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 8:40 PMThere is a somewhat bizarre legal maneuver called the "Claim of Adverse Possesion", which is basically a "squatter's rights" claim.
" Adverse possession law allows wrongful and unpermissive possession to become title ownership through the passage of time, acts of the claimant, and inaction of the landowner. A claimant gains title because she has justifiably relied on the true owner's failure to eject her while she made obvious and lasting investments. The wrongfulness of her conduct diminishes in light of the titleholder's complete failure to act."
That from: www.questia.com/googleScho...!-633829798
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 7:38 PMFind a house on an east / west street, on a corner, with a deep backyard. Divide the backyard in half with a fence and build a small foot print house at the rear of the property with access to the side street. Move in the small house, rent the front house for the cost of the mortgage, grow a garden and live for free. Zoning isn't a problem because you are the owner of the property and you live on site. Let your tennant build your equity. -
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 7:24 AMActually it's not zoning. Zoning only dictates if a tract of land os comercial, residential or combination. But it is building codes and most cities have restrictions onthe number of buildings and family units on a lot. You might have to tear it down and pay a fine. You have to check first.
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 1:26 PM
William's idea might work.
You don't have to build on the back half of the lot. Just build something with wheels under it and park it in the back half. If you don't connect electricity or water, I don't know how it could be considered a "building".
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 4:22 AMI'm talking single-family vs multi-family. -
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 7:21 AMDoesn't make a difference. The bilding codes covers number of square feet built on the size of the lot. Number of buildings built on the size of the lot. Every county is different and you have to check. And some get very picky and love to enforce their building codes. At $1000 fines for every day you are in violation they get big pats on the back by city officials. Some like San Diego county have created such a firestorm that neighbors turn in neighbors so getting caught is pretty easy. It's a mess out there and if you live in one of the counties that has a screwed up building department you get screwed. Ever tried to get a 'homemade' set of planes through a building department? Ever tried to get an alternative design through a building department? Ever tried to put up a structure and get hit with a fine?
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 3:26 PMWe thought we would never be able to own land (mainly due to bad credit mistakes in our past). There is a guy here in California who is always selling with small amount down and small amount per month which is applied only to the interest. Of course, eventually we would need to pay more per month with the stipulation that the extra amount be applied to principal to really ever get ahead. But it got us IN to be able to own land. Now this guy probably is hoping the people he sells to end up not being able to make one of those monthly payments .... but if you continue to make those payments then it's all working out. At least for us, so far. Now we are looking into doing some sustainable living experiments on the property. And yes, it IS in the desert. BUT, the same guy has had property up in the Mount Shasta area as well.
We found the guy via craigslist but then craigslist is used a LOT by a LOT of people for everything in the Bay area. -
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 5:30 PMWhere is out here? What about water? -
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Thu, July 31, 2008 - 3:26 AMParkling a Van say in Oregon, EU passport. How much? DEARly? With the help of a magick deer, how much, % taxis on magick deer? Van has to be registered as feraille? -
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Thu, July 31, 2008 - 2:00 PMthat just may be the most incoherent post I've ever tried to decipher... And I've seen some doozies... -
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 4:38 AMI haven't a clue on that one. Must be something he smoked..... -
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 1:28 PMSomeone's been puffing the magick deer....
Are you a pothead, Focker?
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