Ballet for Belly Dancers?

topic posted Wed, September 3, 2008 - 10:56 AM by  michelle
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I have been getting suggestions for a ballet for belly dancers DVD. Any suggestions of high level ballet dancers / belly dancers who could teach it?
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michelle
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  • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

    Wed, September 3, 2008 - 12:53 PM
    I was trying to find that Ballet for Bellydance dvd I saw online 2 years ago. I don't remember the correct title, because I was trying to learn bellydance and wasn't at the fine tuning point.

    Well, anyway, I saw alot of ballet workshops for bellydance online. I didn't want to recommend anyone because I have no idea if they are good. So there are bellydance teachers that focus on this.

    Bhuz people might know too.
    • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

      Wed, September 3, 2008 - 2:01 PM
      my idea would be Russian American bellydancers might be a place to start with?
      I ve noticed many Russian dancers had excessive ballet training as children and teens, and later discovered bellydance..
      Also telling from Vienna, the periphery to the Slavic world: ballet in these countries is immensely popular for children, much more than in Western countries. (of course I know too little about US children sports, so no idea on how ballet rates in Slavic countries compare to US kids.. :)
      Plus I rmmbr Blanca was a professional ballet dancer before she got injured and started bellydance.. Pretty sure she d also stay with another company, but maybe she ll have peers who went from ballet to bellydance like herself?
      • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

        Wed, September 3, 2008 - 2:53 PM
        There is Sabah, the BDSS dancer who does the belly dance ballet fusion. I don't know much about her, other than she does both professionally. But as a member of the BDSS she may be under the same contractual obligations as Sonia.

        Other than that, most everyone I can think of who may be qualified to teach ballet classes are foreign dancers like Evgenia Kopteva and most of the famous Russian dancers, Beata and Horacio Cifuentes or Saida (also possibly under BDSS contractual obligations), although I' know I must be forgetting some really notable US-based dancers.

        The only other thing I can think of is that I’ve seen that Shabnam hosts “ballet for belly dancers” workshops. I don’t think she teaches them herself, but you might contact her to see who does teach those workshops.
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          Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

          Wed, September 3, 2008 - 6:47 PM
          Autumn Ward teachers a ballet for bellydance workshop. I've never taken it, but she's a fabulous dancer and from what I've heard, an excellent instructor.

          www.autumnward.com
          • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

            Wed, September 3, 2008 - 7:43 PM
            Oh, Autumn seems like a great choice! I dropped in on one of her classes when I was visiting the big city a couple of years ago and I took so much away from her class.
          • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

            Sat, October 4, 2008 - 5:33 PM
            I did take this workshop with her and found it very effective. The things I took away from me were exercises to improve foot strength, and turn technique that actually works! Her class wasn't so much about fusing ballet and bellydance as it was about using the skills and strength of ballet in bellydance. And frankly, I found that even more valuable.
  • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

    Sat, October 18, 2008 - 1:09 PM
    hmm aint never met anyone who does ballet belly dance..it is pretty..but i just like to keep to the old ways
    • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

      Sat, October 18, 2008 - 3:57 PM
      I think that ballet help with extension and lines in general. It seems like every dancer who blows me away ends up having had some sort of ballet training. I am under the impression that if I can just stick with it for a while it will revolutionize my dancing.

      I know Jillina made ballet training mandatory of all the Superstars - which was a subject of many controversial threads.
      • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

        Sat, October 18, 2008 - 6:07 PM
        I want to just say, that you are so right, I think it is essential to take your dance to the next level. So many of us have the basics of belly dance, but the thing is that we were not taught posture, lines, or any sort of grace, even arm posture is many times left out. Now im not saying this is everyone, some have had WONDERFUL teachers from the beggining, but that is not true for all and dare I say MOST of us. I mean we didnt wake up one day and say hey I want to be a belly dancer let me go find the best teacher. No we end up at the rec center or a gym and try it for fun and fall in love, but by that time the damage has been done, Strict ballet training can help reverse the postureless shimmies and the armless undulations...........1 year ago I would have scoffed at this Idea, but after taking 6 months of ballet and seeing a drastic change in my dance, I am all for it 100%
        • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

          Sun, October 19, 2008 - 12:43 AM
          Thanks for posting this. I am trying so hard to motivate to go. I hate it so deeply and suck at it so badly. But the promise of seeing big results in just 6 months is very motivating.
          • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

            Sun, October 19, 2008 - 1:31 AM
            hello.. just wanted to throw in that I am personally not blown away by many dancers who ve had ballet training.
            I do not care much for Saida s style, for instance.
            Nor of many Russian dancers, and oftentimes when I find a dancer's "sterile" they turn out to come from a ballet background..

            Not that I ll not want to try (I ll FOR SURE check it out once you release it, Michelle, if just for curiosity), but to me much of ballet is irreconcilable with the folkloric aspect of bellydancing.
            Now if one is a fan of the very glamorized "On your toes" Vegas like style of many Egyptian dancers (Raqia Hassan, Hannan etc) - which I really dont care for much - then it s going to add greatly I think.

            But as I said - to me bellydancing needs to be grounded, not over-trained, natural, "earthy" - folkloric.
            Everything else can get over-stylized and take away from the raw feminine charm, at least IMO.
            • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

              Sun, October 19, 2008 - 10:48 AM
              I would like to speak from experience and respectfully disagree with your opinion that ballet training prevents development of good technique for folkloric dance. Even a grounded and earthy baladi or raqs assaya is easily destroyed by poor body line and posture.

              My first instructor was trained heavily in ballet before she transitioned to belly dance and yet her performances were strong, powerful, grounded (when appropriate - i.e. not during a classic Oriental) and had the necessary "folk" element. Taking ballet doesn't mean that your arabesques will suddenly become higher or that you will 'sterilize' your dance - it will help you improve arm posture so you avoid the "chicken wing" look, keep a beautiful effortless lift in your chest, have a better sense of head positioning (very important) and add a lovely extension to your posing and body placement.

              I have taken some ballet and it did improve my dancing all around - both the glamorized and baladi versions.
              • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

                Sun, October 19, 2008 - 12:15 PM
                well that would be a great thing, for sure.
                i can only say the dancers i tend to enjoy the least, so far mostly Russian and Latin American among them, are obviously and confirmed by my personal research ballet trained..
                i do think there are some influences by heavy ballet training which really prevent the "earthiness", this holds for Arab dancers the same. If I watch Hannan for instance, I am NOT enjoying her dance. the tiptoeing and ballet influence make her dance look "Western" to me. I by far prefer Fifi, for instance, who never took on these articificial stylizations.
                plus, most folkloric dancers I ve admired, Kurdish, Arab, Latin - I doubt any of these women had ballet background, yet their posture was great :)
                if it helps - that s awesome.
                if it "cleans up" too much, I personally dont like it.
                and obviously it s not the only way to achieve great body line :)
                but I d for sure give it a try if Michelle releases it :)
  • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

    Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:13 PM
    Shoshanna of course... if she's up for it. She did Ballet for the first 10 yrs of her dance life(if not more). It might be worth it to ask her...
    • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

      Wed, April 29, 2009 - 10:38 AM
      Now how good does that clip on Amazon look? I'm off to purchase.
      • Re: Ballet for Belly Dancers?

        Wed, April 29, 2009 - 11:01 PM
        It s a really great dvd!
        I have problems with one foot, so I cannot start on the workout itself.
        i did the warmup though, and I think it s a great great dvd just from watching it!!!
        Can't wait to do it.

        What I like best: Brianna shows you (what I as a layperson think are) real ballet moves, and then gives you options to orientalize the look. If you have a chance to watch her performance on one of the BDFD dvds, she moves from flat foot in a circular motion to on the toes and back on flat foot again with her should shimmies. The move looks great in her costume where the feet are concealed by the long skirt.
        So she teaches such moves and combinations - a really fresh look in bellydance moves, ballet elegance brought into it, and evenif you dont perform them, I think the strength and posture benefits will be worth giving the dvd a try!!!

        One of the most original and innovative Cheeky girls releases so far!

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